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Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
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Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Glenmerle; nanetteclaret; Religion Moderator

When you mention another FReeper’s name, in this case, nanetteclaret, it is FReeper proper etiquette to also ping that person to your post. Please go with the rules and manners of Free Republic.


151 posted on 10/15/2007 5:58:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: topcat54

Remember that Jesus came for the sinners who were sick. The ones who are well did not need a physcian.


152 posted on 10/15/2007 5:59:57 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: xzins

I didn’t realize that you had accepted some of my theories on several threads about the code words and imageries used in the Book of Revelation.

I do think John was referring to the ‘Rome’ of that day when there were executions, martyrs galore. Not the Catholic Church.

But it appears that you are transferring that interpretation to the Catholic Church. That was not the image intended by John. Am I correct in my judgment about your post here?


153 posted on 10/15/2007 6:08:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Sorry this didn't go better.

Total Thread Derail....3....2...1....!
154 posted on 10/15/2007 6:09:42 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Glenmerle

As I said, give some proof. You are the one who challenges it, it is up to you to show your side. You just want to say what’s right and what’s wrong without offering any proof whatsoever.


155 posted on 10/15/2007 6:17:08 PM PDT by tiki
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To: irishtenor

YOPIOS, and if you see this Alex, don’t even bother to respond because I don’t play by your rules either.


156 posted on 10/15/2007 6:19:22 PM PDT by tiki
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To: xzins; Campion
Some words are similar here. But the footnotoes and explanations are very diffierent, I think, xzins, from your interpretations.

Revelation
Chapter 17
1
1 Then one of the seven angels who were holding the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come here. I will show you the judgment on the great harlot 2 who lives near the many waters.
2
3 The kings of the earth have had intercourse with her, and the inhabitants of the earth became drunk on the wine of her harlotry."
3
Then he carried me away in spirit to a deserted place where I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast 4 that was covered with blasphemous names, with seven heads and ten horns.
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The woman was wearing purple and scarlet and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held in her hand a gold cup that was filled with the abominable and sordid deeds of her harlotry.
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On her forehead was written a name, which is a mystery, "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth."
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5 I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the holy ones and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus. 6 When I saw her I was greatly amazed.
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The angel said to me, "Why are you amazed? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, the beast with the seven heads and the ten horns.
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7 The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world shall be amazed when they see the beast, because it existed once but exists no longer, and yet it will come again.
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Here is a clue 8 for one who has wisdom. The seven heads represent seven hills upon which the woman sits. They also represent seven kings:
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five have already fallen, one still lives, and the last has not yet come, 9 and when he comes he must remain only a short while.
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The beast 10 that existed once but exists no longer is an eighth king, but really belongs to the seven and is headed for destruction.
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The ten horns that you saw represent ten kings who have not yet been crowned; 11 they will receive royal authority along with the beast for one hour.
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They are of one mind and will give their power and authority to the beast.
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They will fight with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and king of kings, and those with him are called, chosen, and faithful."
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Then he said to me, "The waters that you saw where the harlot lives represent large numbers of peoples, nations, and tongues.
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The ten horns 12 that you saw and the beast will hate the harlot; they will leave her desolate and naked; they will eat her flesh and consume her with fire.
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For God has put it into their minds to carry out his purpose and to make them come to an agreement to give their kingdom to the beast until the words of God are accomplished.
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The woman whom you saw represents the great city that has sovereignty over the kings of the earth."
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Footnotes

1 [1-6] Babylon, the symbolic name (Rev 17:5) of Rome, is graphically described as "the great harlot."

2 [17:1-19:10] The punishment of Babylon is now described as a past event and, metaphorically, under the image of the great harlot who leads people astray into idolatry.

3 [2] Intercourse . . . harlotry: see the note on Rev 14:4. The pagan kings subject to Rome adopted the cult of the emperor.

4 [3] Scarlet beast: see the note on Rev 13:1-10. Blasphemous names: divine titles assumed by the Roman emperors; see the note on Rev 13:5-6.

5 [6] Reference to the great wealth and idolatrous cults of Rome.

6 [6b-18] An interpretation of the vision is here given.

7 [8] Allusion to the belief that the dead Nero would return to power (Rev 17:11); see the note on Rev 13:3.

8 [9] Here is a clue: literally, "Here a mind that has wisdom." Seven hills: of Rome.

9 [10] There is little agreement as to the identity of the Roman emperors alluded to here. The number seven (Rev 17:9) suggests that all the emperors are meant; see the note on Rev 1:4.

10 [11] The beast: Nero; see the note on Rev 17:8.

11 [12-13] Ten kings who have not yet been crowned: perhaps Parthian satraps who are to accompany the revived Nero (the beast) in his march on Rome to regain power; see the note on Rev 13:3. In Rev 19:11-21, the Lamb and his companions will conquer them.

12 [16-18] The ten horns: the ten pagan kings (Rev 17:12) who unwittingly fulfill God's will against harlot Rome, the great city; cf Ezekiel 16:37.


157 posted on 10/15/2007 6:20:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: xzins

**Cincinnati is also a 7 hilled city, but it doesn’t rule over the kings of the earth.

Neither does Jerusalem.**

Neither does the Rome of today.


158 posted on 10/15/2007 6:21:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: irishtenor

Please name them and supply links to the posts.


159 posted on 10/15/2007 6:23:11 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Glenmerle

**There’s only one Truth **
The

One
Holy
Catholic
and
Apostolic
Church.


160 posted on 10/15/2007 6:24:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

Yes, they are now Protestants.


161 posted on 10/15/2007 6:24:27 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

YOPIOS,???????????


162 posted on 10/15/2007 6:24:31 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: Glenmerle

What church to you attend. I bet it is a split-off of some church from some church that first split (to their lack of knowledge and understanding) from the First Church — the Catholic Church established by Christ.


163 posted on 10/15/2007 6:25:42 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tiki
If the Religion Monitor wants them, he can have them.

All you have to do is look at the 9000 post thread that is going on right now, and you will see them.

164 posted on 10/15/2007 6:26:03 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: Rutles4Ever

**IMHO, secularism is that which is the Beast, that which is Mystery Babylon, and that which will crucify the Church. It is the all-powerful city on the seven hills...**

A very interesting thought. It definitely could be true. We do have the false gods today of status, possessions, CEOs. luxury homes and luxury cars.

Something to think about.


165 posted on 10/15/2007 6:30:58 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: irishtenor

This has nothing to do with the RM it has EVERYTHING to do with your credibility. If you don’t care about it I don’t either but expect all that you say to be taken with a grain of salt.

If you make such accusations, then you should be man enough to back them up.


166 posted on 10/15/2007 6:32:15 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
Yes, they are now Protestants.

Huh? What is this in reference to?

167 posted on 10/15/2007 6:34:46 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: tiki

Check the posts that MarkBsnr directed to me.

What is yopios?????????


168 posted on 10/15/2007 6:37:47 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: tiki

Don’t ever doubt me. I do not lie.

Cheat, steal, maybe. Covet, most likely. But I do not lie :>)


169 posted on 10/15/2007 6:40:41 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: tiki

Forget the salt, I season all my posts with hot peppers :>)


170 posted on 10/15/2007 6:41:27 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: irishtenor; MarkBsnr

Hmmm, I’ve read that whole thread since the beginning and I don’t remember any posts that said you were hellbound. I’d sure love to see one of them cuz I’d give Mark the what-for.


171 posted on 10/15/2007 6:42:47 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Glenmerle

Of course there are the Old Catholics, SSPXers, Sedevacantists and others who say the Roman church led by the Vatican has been apostate since the Vatican I Council.


172 posted on 10/15/2007 6:45:06 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Salvation
What church to you attend. I bet it is a split-off of some church from some church that first split (to their lack of knowledge and understanding) from the First Church — the Catholic Church established by Christ.

Well, I don't belong to the church that persecuted the churches that split off due to one church's corruption, or to the church that split off from the Eastern Orthodox Church, or the church that became so heavy with corruption at one point that the faithful had to reform it.

This whole "we're the orginial church" thing is, besides being false, silly. It's like telling me you're directly related to Henry II. I don't care. It's childish. And most of all, it tells me nothing about the current state of your church -- your church as a whole or the particular church you attend.

Tell me that Christ can be found in your church and I'll listen. The rest is immature nonsense.

173 posted on 10/15/2007 6:45:07 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Salvation
**There’s only one Truth ** The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

To me this encapsulates the problem with Catholicism. I believe the one Truth is Jesus. He did say that, didn't he?

174 posted on 10/15/2007 6:49:24 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Glenmerle

You didn’t answer my question. What church to you belong to/attend? How often? Once a week? Twice or more a week?

(I know I enlarged the question — LOL!)


175 posted on 10/15/2007 7:00:29 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
You didn’t answer my question.

A common affliction on this thread, isn't it?

I just moved and I'm searching for a church, having previously attended the Evangelical Free Church. I was at one time contemplating becoming Catholic, but I've changed my mind. (Partly as a result of what I've read in this forum.) I have also considered the Eastern Orthodox Church and Lutheran Church.

I assure you I'll find a church where the focus is on Christ, not the institution.

176 posted on 10/15/2007 7:09:36 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: tiki

“Hmmm, I’ve read that whole thread since the beginning and I don’t remember any posts that said you were hellbound. I’d sure love to see one of them cuz I’d give Mark the what-for.”

What???? WHAAAAATTTT???? I demand a recount.

I won’t post back to Irish since he thinks that I am mean to him and doesn’t want me posting to him. If you’d do so I’d be grateful.

What our sorely beleaguered and manifestly errant Protestant brethren don’t seem to understand is that I, or any of the Catholic faith right up to and including the Pope don’t make that call. I may identify the Calvinists amongst us as heretics of the finest order based upon the theology that they either proudly in their cups, or quietly in their shame do display to the world, but it is not up to me to judge their final repose. It is up to God Himself.

I cannot see Irish’s final repose. That is betwixt he and Him. Thank you for notifying me and giving me that opportunity to respond to an unreasonable slur upon my character (as opposed to the reasonable ones).


177 posted on 10/15/2007 7:12:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: topcat54

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Our chief weapons are...

The Bible, the Magisterium, and most importantly, Jesus Christ Himself.


178 posted on 10/15/2007 7:19:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: irishtenor

Your

Own

Personal

Interpretation

Of

Scripture


179 posted on 10/15/2007 7:20:31 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

The only reason that the Reformation succeeded was because of personal greed, power and ego. If that’s not whoring, selling one’s soul for temporal gratification, I don’t know what is.


180 posted on 10/15/2007 7:23:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: topcat54

The Mass in its current form goes back to the 1st century.

What sort of worship dost thou engage in? Art thou familiar with the contours of thy navel?


181 posted on 10/15/2007 7:26:19 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; irishtenor

As I, in fact, already knew, Mark denies saying that you are hellbound. If you can prove Mark a liar, I invite you to, otherwise I will have to believe that someone else is lying.

Any good Catholic knows that God is the sole judge of the soul.


182 posted on 10/15/2007 7:26:34 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Glenmerle

I really question your blaming of the Catholics on this forum for not joining the Catholic Church. We do know our apologetics and do challenge the wrongful misinterpretations of scripture by many Protestants.

We call it YOPIOS. The definition is above. Many Protestants who claim sola scriptura beliefs lapse into their own interpretations rather than that of their church.

Fortunately the Catholic Church has one interpretation, and that is why we put it out here all the time. I’m sure we make sense, but that some do not want to accept because their minds are already made up against the Catholic Church.

I wish you the best in your journey. You may be surprised where it takes you.


183 posted on 10/15/2007 7:31:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

I’m sorry, I just have to ask; is the Evangelical Free Church free of evangelicals or are the evangelicals free?


184 posted on 10/15/2007 7:31:22 PM PDT by tiki
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To: MarkBsnr
The only reason that the Reformation succeeded was because of personal greed, power and ego.

You got that right.

185 posted on 10/15/2007 7:31:38 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: MarkBsnr

You guys are doing a great job on that thread. I have learned a lot.


186 posted on 10/15/2007 7:36:03 PM PDT by tiki
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To: MarkBsnr
The Mass in its current form goes back to the 1st century.

You really believe that stuff?

187 posted on 10/15/2007 7:36:10 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54

Well, unfortunately, with the help of Scripture, writings of the 1st century, and other such crap, we find that the Mass has its beginnings almost immediately after Christ Ascended.

Sorry if it offends.


188 posted on 10/15/2007 7:45:27 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: tiki

I owe so much to the Catholic heavy lifters who have done so much over these threads. I also owe a large debt to the anti Catholics who have challenged me to go even further and understand Christ’s Church on Earth and the great Mission to which she is sent.

I have become a much stronger Christian in the short time in which I have lurked and then posted on FR. I thank you all, even the unhappy people that think that I’m nasty to them and pick on them and make them feel bad.


189 posted on 10/15/2007 7:48:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: topcat54

Do you really believe the Bible? If so, why? Where did the canon of the Bible come from?


190 posted on 10/15/2007 7:48:24 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Glenmerle

“The only reason that the Reformation succeeded was because of personal greed, power and ego.

You got that right.”

Neither Calvin nor Luther died a beggar.


191 posted on 10/15/2007 7:49:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Salvation
I really question your blaming of the Catholics on this forum for not joining the Catholic Church.

I said it was part of the reason. I'd be a fool to make posts on the Religion forum the sole deciding factor. But aside from what I see as false doctrine (none of it so seriously false that I'd call you a heretic, in spite of what I've been called), I see a a lack of focus on Christ -- and that's what really bothers me.

I take chosing a new church very seriously. I can't attend my old denomination, so I'm looking very carefully at other churches. I don't like what I see from Catholics. It's all about their church, not Christ. A Catholic has never asked me what I believe -- only what church I attend. You included.

I'll take sola scriptura any day. Should I trust the word of God or corrupt popes? (Popes of the past -- I don't think Benedict is corrupt, nor was John Paul II.) Should I trust the church fathers -- even when they disagreed with one another? Should I trust the San Francisco archbishop who gave holy communion to gay men dressed as clownish nuns? You think you're immune from error -- you're not. Like most people who think they're free of danger, they're actually more susceptible to it.

As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.

I sincerely thank you for wishing me the best on my journey.

192 posted on 10/15/2007 7:49:56 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: HarleyD

“Maybe what Saint Malachy really meant is that it’s simply the end of the Catholic Church. Perhaps they’ll come to an understanding Calvin was right and become Reformed.”

It might be so, but for the references to the gates of hell and all that nonsense. Sorry, we’ll just have to continue hoisting the banner of Christianity and leading all the Reformed and the others who have stomped off in a snit to the Promised Land.


193 posted on 10/15/2007 8:07:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Glenmerle

**I see a a lack of focus on Christ — and that’s what really bothers me.**

Oh, my goodness! You could not be further from the truth!

Our entire liturgy is focused on Christ. Have you ever attended a Mass (with a good homilist of course!)??

If you haven’t, you don’t know that most of the prayers that the priest says during the Mass are directly from Scripture.

The first part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Word — focusing on usually the Old Testament, with a reading from any of the Old Testament books. The first reading sometimes has connections with the Gospel. (This last Sunday — the story of the cure of Naaman, the leper, from 2 Kings)

Next comes a Psalm — with either spoken or sung responses to the Psalm for that day. Again straight from the Bible.

Then we have the second readings — many times a reading from one of St. Paul’s letters — this last Sunday, it was from St. Paul to Timothy as quoted in 2 Timothy.

The last part of the Liturgy of the Word is the Gospel. This last Sunday’s Gospel was the story of the curing of ten lepers with only one, a Samaritan, coming back to thank Christ from Luke. (See the connection with the First Readings?)

The second part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Eucharist which is totally focused on Christ, starting with prayers to refocus our attention on the Eucharist, then quotes from the Last Supper, the consecration of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ and Communion, then a thanksgiving prayer.. I will post some links for you in the next post to explain this part.

Catholics, indeed, are focused on Christ — more than many Protestants realize.

I would not be teaching a Bible Study on the Book of Matthew right now if I didn’t believe that Christ is the center of ............our Church. Or attending daily Mass.......... or spearheading an effort to support vocations, ...........or evangelizing in my community, or.............

How does this line up with what you believe?


194 posted on 10/15/2007 8:10:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

**As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.**

Exactly what are you speaking about here. Too general of a statement.


195 posted on 10/15/2007 8:11:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle
The Meal of Melchizedek

Institution of the Real Presence(Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)

Bread -- Big B or Little b? [The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist]

The Eucharist: The Sacred Adventure of Life

EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

Early Christians on the Holy Eucharist

Holy Father stresses Need of Devotion to Holy Eucharist outside of Mass: Pope Paul VI

The Fourth Cup: The Sacrament of the Eucharist [Holy Thursday] [Passover]

The Holy Face of Jesus Christ as appeared on the Holy Eucharist

The Reverence due to the Holy Eucharist

New rules on the Holy Eucharist on Holy Thursday

Devotion to the Holy Eucharist Advances Devotion to Jesus' Person

Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)

CATHOLICS AND BAPTISTS WITNESSED UNUSUAL IMAGES IN BLESSED SACRAMENT

The Discipline of the Eucharist Holy See Releases Redemptionis Sacramentum...

Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament

THE HOLY EUCHARIST: NOURISHMENT TO FINISH OUR COURSE

LITANY OF REPARATION TO OUR LORD IN THE BLESSED SACRAMENT

The Disposition of Priests [Valid Mass, Valid Holy Eucharist?]

Grace of the Eucharist is secret to holy priests, says Pope

Area worshipers march to celebrate Holy Eucharist

Custody of Holy Land Concludes Year of Eucharist - In Capernaum, Site of a Key Discourse

Gift Of Life, Gift Eternal: The Most Holy Eucharist and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS THE WHOLE CHRIST

The Catholic Doctrine of the Real PresenceCatholic Caucus)

This is My Body, This is My Blood

Prayer Before the Blessed Sacrament

A series of reflections from St. Peter Julian Eymard Blessed Sacrament(Catholic Caucus)

196 posted on 10/15/2007 8:12:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Mass (Sacred Liturgy) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Eucharistic Mystery [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Eucharist (Real Presence) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

197 posted on 10/15/2007 8:14:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

“A Catholic has never asked me what I believe — only what church I attend.”

Just because I was curious, I went and read some of your previous posts on other threads, all I saw was criticism of the Catholic Church.

Seriously, we’re supposed to care about your theology? Why? It is obvious that you have no respect for ours.


198 posted on 10/15/2007 8:24:33 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
Seriously, we’re supposed to care about your theology? Why? It is obvious that you have no respect for ours.

You're a riot, tiki. You make jokes about the name of the church I used to attend and then pretend you actually give a rip about my beliefs.

If you read carefully through my old posts you may come across one in which I said that in my search for a church I decided to go to the Religion forum at FR because I thought it would be good to find out about various churches from like-minded conservatives.

But going through the posts I found attack after sick attack on Protestants. I'm sorry if I'm not the mushy Milquetoast type you'd prefer. When I read an outrageous attack, I respond to it.

If you -- again -- really read my posts you'll also see that I hate the uncalled-for nasty attacks some Protestants make on Catholics.

Don't pretend that your lack of interest in my beliefs has anything to do with my posts. You didn't show any interest before you read them.

199 posted on 10/15/2007 8:48:15 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey
Do not use the word "damnable" as it encourages potty language. The other words are tolerable in religious debate providing the delivery is not hateful.

The main guideline is always this: discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

200 posted on 10/15/2007 9:09:57 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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