Skip to comments.Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation
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When you mention another FReeper’s name, in this case, nanetteclaret, it is FReeper proper etiquette to also ping that person to your post. Please go with the rules and manners of Free Republic.
Remember that Jesus came for the sinners who were sick. The ones who are well did not need a physcian.
I didn’t realize that you had accepted some of my theories on several threads about the code words and imageries used in the Book of Revelation.
I do think John was referring to the ‘Rome’ of that day when there were executions, martyrs galore. Not the Catholic Church.
But it appears that you are transferring that interpretation to the Catholic Church. That was not the image intended by John. Am I correct in my judgment about your post here?
As I said, give some proof. You are the one who challenges it, it is up to you to show your side. You just want to say what’s right and what’s wrong without offering any proof whatsoever.
YOPIOS, and if you see this Alex, don’t even bother to respond because I don’t play by your rules either.
5  Reference to the great wealth and idolatrous cults of Rome.
6 [6b-18] An interpretation of the vision is here given.
8  Here is a clue: literally, "Here a mind that has wisdom." Seven hills: of Rome.
11 [12-13] Ten kings who have not yet been crowned: perhaps Parthian satraps who are to accompany the revived Nero (the beast) in his march on Rome to regain power; see the note on Rev 13:3. In Rev 19:11-21, the Lamb and his companions will conquer them.
**Cincinnati is also a 7 hilled city, but it doesnt rule over the kings of the earth.
Neither does Jerusalem.**
Neither does the Rome of today.
Please name them and supply links to the posts.
**There’s only one Truth **
Yes, they are now Protestants.
What church to you attend. I bet it is a split-off of some church from some church that first split (to their lack of knowledge and understanding) from the First Church — the Catholic Church established by Christ.
All you have to do is look at the 9000 post thread that is going on right now, and you will see them.
**IMHO, secularism is that which is the Beast, that which is Mystery Babylon, and that which will crucify the Church. It is the all-powerful city on the seven hills...**
A very interesting thought. It definitely could be true. We do have the false gods today of status, possessions, CEOs. luxury homes and luxury cars.
Something to think about.
This has nothing to do with the RM it has EVERYTHING to do with your credibility. If you don’t care about it I don’t either but expect all that you say to be taken with a grain of salt.
If you make such accusations, then you should be man enough to back them up.
Huh? What is this in reference to?
Check the posts that MarkBsnr directed to me.
What is yopios?????????
Don’t ever doubt me. I do not lie.
Cheat, steal, maybe. Covet, most likely. But I do not lie :>)
Forget the salt, I season all my posts with hot peppers :>)
Hmmm, I’ve read that whole thread since the beginning and I don’t remember any posts that said you were hellbound. I’d sure love to see one of them cuz I’d give Mark the what-for.
Of course there are the Old Catholics, SSPXers, Sedevacantists and others who say the Roman church led by the Vatican has been apostate since the Vatican I Council.
Well, I don't belong to the church that persecuted the churches that split off due to one church's corruption, or to the church that split off from the Eastern Orthodox Church, or the church that became so heavy with corruption at one point that the faithful had to reform it.
This whole "we're the orginial church" thing is, besides being false, silly. It's like telling me you're directly related to Henry II. I don't care. It's childish. And most of all, it tells me nothing about the current state of your church -- your church as a whole or the particular church you attend.
Tell me that Christ can be found in your church and I'll listen. The rest is immature nonsense.
To me this encapsulates the problem with Catholicism. I believe the one Truth is Jesus. He did say that, didn't he?
You didn’t answer my question. What church to you belong to/attend? How often? Once a week? Twice or more a week?
(I know I enlarged the question — LOL!)
A common affliction on this thread, isn't it?
I just moved and I'm searching for a church, having previously attended the Evangelical Free Church. I was at one time contemplating becoming Catholic, but I've changed my mind. (Partly as a result of what I've read in this forum.) I have also considered the Eastern Orthodox Church and Lutheran Church.
I assure you I'll find a church where the focus is on Christ, not the institution.
“Hmmm, Ive read that whole thread since the beginning and I dont remember any posts that said you were hellbound. Id sure love to see one of them cuz Id give Mark the what-for.”
What???? WHAAAAATTTT???? I demand a recount.
I won’t post back to Irish since he thinks that I am mean to him and doesn’t want me posting to him. If you’d do so I’d be grateful.
What our sorely beleaguered and manifestly errant Protestant brethren don’t seem to understand is that I, or any of the Catholic faith right up to and including the Pope don’t make that call. I may identify the Calvinists amongst us as heretics of the finest order based upon the theology that they either proudly in their cups, or quietly in their shame do display to the world, but it is not up to me to judge their final repose. It is up to God Himself.
I cannot see Irish’s final repose. That is betwixt he and Him. Thank you for notifying me and giving me that opportunity to respond to an unreasonable slur upon my character (as opposed to the reasonable ones).
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Our chief weapons are...
The Bible, the Magisterium, and most importantly, Jesus Christ Himself.
The only reason that the Reformation succeeded was because of personal greed, power and ego. If that’s not whoring, selling one’s soul for temporal gratification, I don’t know what is.
The Mass in its current form goes back to the 1st century.
What sort of worship dost thou engage in? Art thou familiar with the contours of thy navel?
As I, in fact, already knew, Mark denies saying that you are hellbound. If you can prove Mark a liar, I invite you to, otherwise I will have to believe that someone else is lying.
Any good Catholic knows that God is the sole judge of the soul.
I really question your blaming of the Catholics on this forum for not joining the Catholic Church. We do know our apologetics and do challenge the wrongful misinterpretations of scripture by many Protestants.
We call it YOPIOS. The definition is above. Many Protestants who claim sola scriptura beliefs lapse into their own interpretations rather than that of their church.
Fortunately the Catholic Church has one interpretation, and that is why we put it out here all the time. I’m sure we make sense, but that some do not want to accept because their minds are already made up against the Catholic Church.
I wish you the best in your journey. You may be surprised where it takes you.
I’m sorry, I just have to ask; is the Evangelical Free Church free of evangelicals or are the evangelicals free?
You got that right.
You guys are doing a great job on that thread. I have learned a lot.
You really believe that stuff?
Well, unfortunately, with the help of Scripture, writings of the 1st century, and other such crap, we find that the Mass has its beginnings almost immediately after Christ Ascended.
Sorry if it offends.
I owe so much to the Catholic heavy lifters who have done so much over these threads. I also owe a large debt to the anti Catholics who have challenged me to go even further and understand Christ’s Church on Earth and the great Mission to which she is sent.
I have become a much stronger Christian in the short time in which I have lurked and then posted on FR. I thank you all, even the unhappy people that think that I’m nasty to them and pick on them and make them feel bad.
Do you really believe the Bible? If so, why? Where did the canon of the Bible come from?
“The only reason that the Reformation succeeded was because of personal greed, power and ego.
You got that right.”
Neither Calvin nor Luther died a beggar.
I said it was part of the reason. I'd be a fool to make posts on the Religion forum the sole deciding factor. But aside from what I see as false doctrine (none of it so seriously false that I'd call you a heretic, in spite of what I've been called), I see a a lack of focus on Christ -- and that's what really bothers me.
I take chosing a new church very seriously. I can't attend my old denomination, so I'm looking very carefully at other churches. I don't like what I see from Catholics. It's all about their church, not Christ. A Catholic has never asked me what I believe -- only what church I attend. You included.
I'll take sola scriptura any day. Should I trust the word of God or corrupt popes? (Popes of the past -- I don't think Benedict is corrupt, nor was John Paul II.) Should I trust the church fathers -- even when they disagreed with one another? Should I trust the San Francisco archbishop who gave holy communion to gay men dressed as clownish nuns? You think you're immune from error -- you're not. Like most people who think they're free of danger, they're actually more susceptible to it.
As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.
I sincerely thank you for wishing me the best on my journey.
“Maybe what Saint Malachy really meant is that its simply the end of the Catholic Church. Perhaps theyll come to an understanding Calvin was right and become Reformed.”
It might be so, but for the references to the gates of hell and all that nonsense. Sorry, we’ll just have to continue hoisting the banner of Christianity and leading all the Reformed and the others who have stomped off in a snit to the Promised Land.
**I see a a lack of focus on Christ — and that’s what really bothers me.**
Oh, my goodness! You could not be further from the truth!
Our entire liturgy is focused on Christ. Have you ever attended a Mass (with a good homilist of course!)??
If you haven’t, you don’t know that most of the prayers that the priest says during the Mass are directly from Scripture.
The first part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Word — focusing on usually the Old Testament, with a reading from any of the Old Testament books. The first reading sometimes has connections with the Gospel. (This last Sunday — the story of the cure of Naaman, the leper, from 2 Kings)
Next comes a Psalm — with either spoken or sung responses to the Psalm for that day. Again straight from the Bible.
Then we have the second readings — many times a reading from one of St. Paul’s letters — this last Sunday, it was from St. Paul to Timothy as quoted in 2 Timothy.
The last part of the Liturgy of the Word is the Gospel. This last Sunday’s Gospel was the story of the curing of ten lepers with only one, a Samaritan, coming back to thank Christ from Luke. (See the connection with the First Readings?)
The second part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Eucharist which is totally focused on Christ, starting with prayers to refocus our attention on the Eucharist, then quotes from the Last Supper, the consecration of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ and Communion, then a thanksgiving prayer.. I will post some links for you in the next post to explain this part.
Catholics, indeed, are focused on Christ — more than many Protestants realize.
I would not be teaching a Bible Study on the Book of Matthew right now if I didn’t believe that Christ is the center of ............our Church. Or attending daily Mass.......... or spearheading an effort to support vocations, ...........or evangelizing in my community, or.............
How does this line up with what you believe?
**As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.**
Exactly what are you speaking about here. Too general of a statement.
“A Catholic has never asked me what I believe — only what church I attend.”
Just because I was curious, I went and read some of your previous posts on other threads, all I saw was criticism of the Catholic Church.
Seriously, we’re supposed to care about your theology? Why? It is obvious that you have no respect for ours.
You're a riot, tiki. You make jokes about the name of the church I used to attend and then pretend you actually give a rip about my beliefs.
If you read carefully through my old posts you may come across one in which I said that in my search for a church I decided to go to the Religion forum at FR because I thought it would be good to find out about various churches from like-minded conservatives.
But going through the posts I found attack after sick attack on Protestants. I'm sorry if I'm not the mushy Milquetoast type you'd prefer. When I read an outrageous attack, I respond to it.
If you -- again -- really read my posts you'll also see that I hate the uncalled-for nasty attacks some Protestants make on Catholics.
Don't pretend that your lack of interest in my beliefs has anything to do with my posts. You didn't show any interest before you read them.
The main guideline is always this: discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.