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Vatican official insists he's not gay
Yahoo! News ^ | Oct 14, 2007 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 10/14/2007 9:38:53 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

VATICAN CITY - A Vatican official suspended after being caught on hidden camera making advances to a young man says he is not gay and was only pretending to be gay as part of his work.

In an interview published Sunday, Monsignor Tommaso Stenico told La Repubblica daily he frequented online gay chat rooms and met with gay men as part of his work as a psychoanalyst. He said that he pretended to be gay in order to gather information about "those who damage the image of the Church with homosexual activity."

Vatican teaching holds that gays and lesbians should be treated with compassion and dignity but that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered."

The Vatican said Saturday it was suspending Stenico after he was secretly filmed making advances to a young man and asserting that gay sex was not sinful during a television program on gay priests broadcast Oct. 1 on La7, a private Italian television network.

While Stenico's face was blurred in the footage, church officials recognized his Vatican office in the background and suspended him pending a church investigation.

There have long been allegations that there are gays in the Roman Catholic priesthood, but the Stenico case is unusual because he is a relatively high-ranking Vatican official. He heads an office in the Vatican's Congregation for Clergy — the main office overseeing all the world's priests.

The case comes at a particularly sensitive time, just two years after the Vatican issued tough new guidelines effectively barring gays from the priesthood — seen in large part as a response to complaints about a "gay subculture" in U.S. seminaries.

The guidelines say the church cannot admit men to the priesthood who practice homosexuality, or have "deeply rooted homosexual tendencies or support so-called gay culture." However, the document said that if the gay tendencies were just a "transitory problem," the men can be ordained deacons if they successfully overcome those tendencies for three years.

In the Repubblica interview, Stenico said he had never been gay and was heterosexual, but remained faithful to his vow of celibacy. He said he expected to be fully exonerated after a review.

"It's all false; it was a trap. I was a victim of my own attempts to contribute to cleaning up the church with my psychoanalyst work," La Repubblica quoted Stenico as saying.

Stenico said he had met with the young man and pretended to talk about homosexuality "to better understand this mysterious and faraway world which, by the fault of a few people — among them some priests — is doing so much harm to the church," La Repubblica quoted him as saying.

Italy's Sky TG24 said Stenico had written a letter to his superiors with a similar defense.

Calls placed to Stenico's home and office went unanswered Sunday.

In 2006, the Vatican denied Italian newspaper reports that an official in the office of the Secretary of State had been involved in a fight with police after he was stopped in a neighborhood frequented by transvestites and male prostitutes.

In 2002, a former official in the papal household, Archbishop Juliusz Paetz, resigned as archbishop of the Polish city of Poznan over accusations that he had made sexual advances toward young clerics. He denied the accusations.


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This undated image released Saturday, Oct. 13, 2007 by Petrus http://www.papanews.it web site shows a prelate identified by the online paper as Mons. Tommaso Stenico. The Vatican said Saturday it has suspended a monsignor from a senior post at the Holy See after an Italian TV program, with a hidden camera, recorded him making advances to a young man and asserting that gay sex was not sinful. Contacted by telephone at his home by The Associated Press, Monsignor Tommaso Stenico confirmed that he had been suspended from his post at the congregation. 'Don't condemn me,'' Stenico said. 'The interview was done fraudulently,'' he added, referring to the hidden camera that was used by Italian TV network La7's program 'Exit.''(AP Photo/Petrus http://www.papanews.it web site, ho)

1 posted on 10/14/2007 9:38:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I feel pretty, oh so pretty

I feel pretty and witty and bright


2 posted on 10/14/2007 9:47:39 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Alex Murphy
Que southpark episode.
3 posted on 10/14/2007 9:50:42 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Alex Murphy
There have long been allegations that there are gays in the Roman Catholic priesthood,

If by "allegations" Winfield means documented, substantiated and incontrovertibly based in fact, then yeah, there have been allegations.

4 posted on 10/14/2007 9:51:48 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

LOL!


5 posted on 10/14/2007 9:53:00 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: hole_n_one

As a matter of fact, your comment deserves another … LOL! Will be wiping the coffee off my keyboard for days.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 9:59:13 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m not gay, I’m just happy !!!


7 posted on 10/14/2007 10:02:29 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: doc1019
Like Rush always says, there has to be an element of truth for any joke to be funny.

In this instance, there isn't simply a tinge of truth, it's reeking of it.

8 posted on 10/14/2007 10:06:30 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Alex Murphy

Why can’t priests err on the side of heterosexuality more often?

How can 2% of the population make up 80% of the sexual problems in the Catholic church? Protestants at least fall on the more normal side of sexual proclivities.


9 posted on 10/14/2007 10:07:36 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Alex Murphy

If the Catholic Church is so misguided, as you seem to think since you are always posting articles purposely to put the Catholic Church in a bad light, why not just ignore it and focus on your own Protestant Calvinist faith? It seems a lack of charity on your part, or do you not believe in religious toleration? And I suppose that all Calvinist Protestants are complete pillars of rectitude and never have any problems? Frankly, looking at the collapse of mainstream Protestantism (much of which, e.g. Congregationalists and Presbyterians, used to be Calvinist) into left-wing radicalism, I don’t think the Protestants in general have much to crow about these days. That said, I don’t see a lot of posts by Catholics purposely putting Protestants in bad light on Free Republic the way you do to Catholics. I suppose you are a believer in “Ecrasez l’infame”, the Whore of Babylon and all that. Frankly, you are fighting Reformation era fights that are not very relevant in the current day, given the tremendous power of radical secularism and how it is targeting all traditional Christianity, of whatever stripe. I would think it would be time for a little strategic ceasefire between traditional Protestant and Catholic believers in order to fight the forces of irreligion abroad in the land.


10 posted on 10/14/2007 10:33:39 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Alex Murphy
only pretending to be gay as part of his work.

I gotta admit, that's a puzzler...

11 posted on 10/14/2007 10:44:57 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't it respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: Alex Murphy

I would suggest that this guy get together with Larry Craig and they can not be gay together...


12 posted on 10/14/2007 11:41:58 PM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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To: ConservativeMind

“Why can’t priests err on the side of heterosexuality more often?”

Because someone threw the key away to the Nuns chastity belt.


13 posted on 10/15/2007 6:10:14 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Unam Sanctam

“And I suppose that all Calvinist Protestants are complete pillars of rectitude and never have any problems?”

Nope they are human too. In Protestant churches its winding down into two basic categories. Those that are moving left after allowing liberals to take over their leadership and as a result being abandoned by God loving people. There are still God loving people in those churches who refuse to admit where their church is going. These include PCUSA, Methodist, Episcopals, and of course those “there’s too much God in church” Unitarians.

The other is Bible based church like much of the Southern Baptists.

“I would think it would be time for a little strategic ceasefire between traditional Protestant and Catholic believers in order to fight the forces of irreligion abroad in the land.”

Good point


14 posted on 10/15/2007 6:14:34 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Alex Murphy
I'm Not GAY!!! Not that there is anything wrong with that...
15 posted on 10/15/2007 6:33:25 AM PDT by 11th Commandment
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To: Alex Murphy
It is somewhat disturbing how often posts here attack the messenger or bring in totally unrelated references such as those to Protestant Calvinists in this thread.

That the Catholic priesthood is seen as a gay profession, that the number of heterosexual seminarians and priests who left the seminary and active ministry because of the dominant gay culture is very large, that research shows that a significant number (not all) of gay priests are sexually active and that a large number(not all) of heterosexual priests have girl friends or are secretly married and we find out only when the story hits the news which lately is becoming almost a weekly occurrence ...all of this is very discouraging to the good priests trying to build the Church with little support from their bishops many of whom (not all) are control freaks ......

... All this is ignored, denied, and those who dare to report it, not with the intent of attacking the Church but to bring to light a serious problem in hopes that an honest solution might be found .... they, the messengers, are attacked. Why? It seems to me that those who fail to be honest about real problems are as guilty as those who cause them.

16 posted on 10/15/2007 7:52:34 AM PDT by VidMihi
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To: Alex Murphy
The Vatican said Saturday it was suspending Stenico after he was secretly filmed making advances to a young man and asserting that gay sex was not sinful during a television program on gay priests broadcast Oct. 1 on La7, a private Italian television network.

The last part disturbs me. If true, it's good he was suspended. Please pray for him everyone.

If the last part in bold is not true, (even though this is already a hostile thread against the Church) if anyone out there has any explaination as to it, I would most appreciate it, as I'm sure many others would.

Note, for those with reading comprehension difficulties, the reason the first part doesn't necessarily disturb me is because Mons. explained that was part of a plan on his part to help the gays in the chat room and elsewhere. Now, of course, if there is no explaination for the portion in bold, the previous portion would be disturbing as well, since then he's most likely lying about the previous portion's motives.

Let's remember though, he's been suspended; so much for any "coverup allegations" although they will probably surface as I write this if not sooner.

< puts flame suit on anyway since many are ready to bash without fully examining the facts >

17 posted on 10/15/2007 8:18:55 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Alex Murphy
There have long been allegations that there are gays in the Roman Catholic priesthood

Texas Has A Whorehouse In It!

18 posted on 10/15/2007 8:22:46 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Alex Murphy

The Vatican version of “Larry Craig.”


19 posted on 10/15/2007 8:22:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: dfwgator

He’s not gay, he just has a wide stance.


20 posted on 10/15/2007 8:27:25 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: 43north
I would suggest that this guy get together with Larry Craig and they can not be gay together...

Throw in Ted Haggard and make it a threesome.

21 posted on 10/15/2007 8:31:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Amen.


22 posted on 10/15/2007 8:45:32 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: VidMihi

If the messenger is spreading lies, then he should be rebuked. If the messenger is slandering others, in this case, the majority of priests who are faithful to their vows of celibacy, then he should be rebuked. If the messenger is trying to discourage lay Catholics by bashing the Church and its clergy, then he should be rebuked.

Unam Sanctam is 100% right. You, Alex Murphy, and several others on this forum seize on any scandal that involves the Catholic Church in order to discredit it. It doesn’t matter what the scandal is or how many people are involved, you trumpet any negative news about the Church as “proof” of its illegitimacy. Frankly, it’s becoming tiresome and offensive.


23 posted on 10/15/2007 9:02:51 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, if we look at the circumstances, I would wager the Vatican corroborated his activity to some extent. After all, he was “anonymous” on this television show, so the Church could have simply said, “well, we don’t know who it is.” The fact that they went to the trouble to hunt him down and then publicly banish him seems convincing enough that he’s not play-acting.


24 posted on 10/15/2007 9:53:25 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: steadfastconservative

Let ‘em come.

We can handle it. If the gates of hell will not prevail against us, then we should be okay now.


25 posted on 10/15/2007 11:35:48 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Okaaayyyyy -—— I guess I must not be a female either. In spite of the fact that this is how I identify myself on any document or to others. Not to mention that they do notice no matter what I say.
26 posted on 10/15/2007 11:44:14 AM PDT by Leapofaith (I stole this tagline from Radix --- don't tell)
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To: Unam Sanctam; Alex Murphy
You probably won't get a response from Alex, because he doesn't believe he's a "Protestant", thus, your entire post to him is bunk.

You see my FRiend, Alex is a fan of the Trail of Baloney

Excuse me, I mean the "trail of blood". Read the link and be AMAZED at how some Baptists, who really are historically Protestant, reject the label "protestant". :)

Warning: .pdf link above, but it's not that big, and you'll probably find it useful in refuting those who really are protestant, yet insist they are not.

27 posted on 10/15/2007 11:52:28 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: ConservativeMind
Protestants at least fall on the more normal side of sexual proclivities.

Unfortunately, it does not apply to the PROTESTANT Episcopal Church of the USA--then again, it perhaps is owing to its Roman Catholic heritage in liturgy and worship!

28 posted on 10/15/2007 1:19:06 PM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: Unam Sanctam
...I don’t think the Protestants in general have much to crow about these days.

Touche' Especially in the ECUSA. However, there IS a way to discourage gays in the priesthood: Allow priests to marry (some churches are already guided by married priests--most, formerly Anglican/Episcopal) while confining celibacy to the monasteries and convents (that was indeed the practice in the early church, after all).

29 posted on 10/15/2007 1:28:08 PM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: doc1019

Well he might not be gay but he is a liar. So to me that is quite enough to make him unsuitable for his post.


30 posted on 10/15/2007 3:30:27 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
That said, I don’t see a lot of posts by Catholics purposely putting Protestants in bad light

When I posted a thread about a child molesting presbyterian preacher a few years ago, I ended up on a Catholic ping list.

Feel free to post threads about protestant pervs. I won't get defensive or offended.

31 posted on 10/15/2007 4:21:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Unam Sanctam

There are two types of Catholics on FR: Those that are in DENIAL about the disproportionate number of homosexual clergy and also see priests as near saintlike, rather than as just human beings, and those who are PISSED OFF and want them flushed out of their church.


32 posted on 10/15/2007 4:23:43 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza

Bzzzzzt. Assuming facts not in evidence. Ten yard penalty...repeat the down.


33 posted on 10/15/2007 4:26:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Petronski
Forgive me in being cynical when I have seen countless members of the clergy being exposed as "Friends of Dorothy." It especially saddens me because these guys are taking advantage of members of my family.

BTW: Lots of gay ministers, rabbis, and imams as well. The difference is that "middle management" (aka the bishops) tolerated this BS starting in the mid-60s, and only recently do we see these folks finally getting flushed out.

34 posted on 10/15/2007 4:29:10 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: FourtySeven; Unam Sanctam; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; suzyjaruki; topcat54; ...
You probably won't get a response from Alex, because he doesn't believe he's a "Protestant", thus, your entire post to him is bunk. You see my FRiend, Alex is a fan of the Trail of Baloney

Wow - I don't think I've ever seen a post that pegs me so perfectly wrong. Bearing false witness is a sin, you know.

35 posted on 10/15/2007 5:05:01 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Clemenza

I’m not defending homosexuals in the clergy, especially active ones or those who embrace the gay ideology instead of the Catholic teachings on morality. I’m just objecting to the way certain Protestants on FR seem to revel in posting news items that puts the Catholic Church in a bad light. I feel the same way about foreigners’ criticizing America — there’s plenty about American culture that I often criticize, but it sticks in my craw hearing Europeans or other foreigners criticize my homeland.


36 posted on 10/15/2007 6:58:50 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Alex Murphy
A Vatican official suspended after being caught on hidden camera making advances to a young man says he is not gay and was only pretending to be gay as part of his work.

I think I saw this guy on Dateline's "To Catch a Predator".

37 posted on 10/15/2007 7:40:08 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54
A Vatican official suspended after being caught on hidden camera making advances to a young man says he is not gay and was only pretending to be gay as part of his work.

ROTFL! Can you imagine reading the job posting for the recently open "Vatican Official" job in the National Catholic Register? According to the Monsignor, one of the job requirements is that the applicant must act gay!

38 posted on 10/15/2007 7:47:17 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I’m just objecting to the way certain Protestants on FR seem to revel in posting news items that puts the Catholic Church in a bad light.

The first step to resolving the matter begins with admitting that the RC church with its human tradition of a "celibate" priesthood has a morals problem involving sodomy among other things.

Which reminds me of the story about a man who goes to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist suggests that they start off with a Rorschach test. So he holds up the first picture and asks the man what he sees. "A man and a woman making love in a park," the man replies.

The psychiatrist holds up the second picture and asks the man what he sees. "A man and a woman making love in a boat."

He holds up the third picture. "A man and a woman making love at the beach."

This goes on for the rest of the set of pictures; with the man saying he sees a couple making love in every one of the pictures. At the end of the test, the psychiatrist looks over his notes and says, "It seems like you have a preoccupation with sex."

"Me?" says the patient. "You're the one with the dirty pictures!"

39 posted on 10/15/2007 7:52:42 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: Unam Sanctam
I’m just objecting to the way certain Protestants on FR seem to revel in posting news items that puts the Catholic Church in a bad light.

The first step to resolving the matter begins with admitting that the RC church with its human tradition of a "celibate" priesthood has a morals problem involving sodomy among other things.

Which reminds me of the story about a man who goes to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist suggests that they start off with a Rorschach test. So he holds up the first picture and asks the man what he sees. "A man and a woman making love in a park," the man replies.

The psychiatrist holds up the second picture and asks the man what he sees. "A man and a woman making love in a boat."

He holds up the third picture. "A man and a woman making love at the beach."

This goes on for the rest of the set of pictures; with the man saying he sees a couple making love in every one of the pictures. At the end of the test, the psychiatrist looks over his notes and says, "It seems like you have a preoccupation with sex."

"Me?" says the patient. "You're the one with the dirty pictures!"

40 posted on 10/15/2007 7:54:05 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: doc1019
I wonder if he has ever met Senator Larry Craig while passing through the Minneapolis airport.
Not that he is gay, but just wondering here...
41 posted on 10/16/2007 6:36:53 AM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: Unam Sanctam; Alex Murphy
I’m just objecting to the way certain Protestants on FR seem to revel in posting news items that puts the Catholic Church in a bad light.

I don't blame you...If my religion had as many skeletons in the closet as yours does, I wouldn't want people shining a searchlight on it either...

Alex, stop it...

42 posted on 10/16/2007 7:18:12 AM PDT by Iscool (REMEMBER all mushrooms are edible, some of them only once!)
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To: meandog
However, there IS a way to discourage gays in the priesthood: Allow priests to marry

Gays are allowed to get married in the secular world and it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop them from their proclivities.

43 posted on 10/16/2007 7:26:40 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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To: Iscool; Unam Sanctam; FourtySeven; Clemenza
Alex, stop it...

You know Iscool, just last February I was asked if I would censor the news for Lent...

44 posted on 10/16/2007 7:36:15 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Alex Murphy
You know Iscool, just last February I was asked if I would censor the news for Lent...

Well they do have a point...Things haven't been the same in Babylon since Johnny Gutenburg got that bright idea of his...

45 posted on 10/16/2007 7:52:34 AM PDT by Iscool (REMEMBER all mushrooms are edible, some of them only once!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Bearing false witness is a sin, you know.

Yes it is if intentional. This surprises me (kinda) given our conversation about the "invisible church" and how I distinctly remember you insisting (by implication) that Baptists were not Protestants. But now, you say they are.

Okie dokie.

46 posted on 10/16/2007 11:00:43 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
But now, you say they are.

Choices, choices...hmmmm...Proverbs 26:4, or Proverbs 26:5?

47 posted on 10/16/2007 6:55:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: steadfastconservative
Unam Sanctam is 100% right. You, Alex Murphy, and several others on this forum seize on any scandal that involves the Catholic Church in order to discredit it. It doesn’t matter what the scandal is or how many people are involved, you trumpet any negative news about the Church as “proof” of its illegitimacy. Frankly, it’s becoming tiresome and offensive.

Ping me the next time you plan on reading my mind, please.

48 posted on 10/16/2007 7:12:30 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Alex Murphy

Good question. I think I’ll take the advice of 26:4 regarding you.


49 posted on 10/17/2007 8:45:20 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: topcat54
the RC church with its human tradition of a "celibate" priesthood has a morals problem involving sodomy among other things.

No, it just means that clergy, like the laity, can be sinners and need to repent of sin. Our Lord, St. Paul and countless saints have been celibate, and it is a sign of contradiction to a world that places sexual gratification as the highest good. Religious deny themselves for the sake of the kingdom, and clergy are to be singleminded Alter Christi married to the Church. It is not a "human" tradition, but a divine one involving an evangelical counsel of chastity.

50 posted on 10/17/2007 11:38:03 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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