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Traditional Anglican Communion Petitions Rome for Union
The Living Church Foundation ^ | 10/18/2007 | n/a

Posted on 10/19/2007 6:27:12 PM PDT by GCC Catholic

The College of Bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) recently petitioned for “full, corporate, sacramental union” with the Roman Catholic Church recently.

The appeal for union was debated during a meeting of bishops in Portsmouth, England during the first week of October. It was delivered in a letter, which was signed by all the bishops present. The letter was delivered personally to the Holy See by the Most Rev. John Hepworth, Primate of TAC, and two other bishops selected by the college.

Bishop David Moyer, Bishop of the Armed Forces for the U.S. branch of TAC and rector of Good Shepherd Church, Rosemont, Pa., said the college agreed not to discuss the appeal or the contents of the letter until after the Vatican has responded. Customarily the Roman Catholic Church does not announce ahead of time when it will make a decision public.

With approximately 100 congregations in the U.S., the Anglican Church in America (ACA) is among the largest of several “Continuing Churches” which emerged from the Affirmation of St. Louis and the 1977 gathering of former Episcopalians and other Anglicans. The ACA is the American branch of TAC, a worldwide association of orthodox Anglican churches, working to maintain the catholic faith and resist the secularization of the Church. TAC claims more than 400,000 members on six continents. Neither TAC nor the ACA are among the Common Cause Partnership of Anglicans led by Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Worship
KEYWORDS: aca; anglican; anglocatholic; continuinganglican; tac; vatican
A friend pointed this out to me today. It seems this has been floated around much in the last couple years, but I had no idea that any formal steps had taken place.
1 posted on 10/19/2007 6:27:18 PM PDT by GCC Catholic
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To: sionnsar; Huber; NYer; Salvation

TAC Ping


2 posted on 10/19/2007 6:31:28 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: GCC Catholic

Translation?


3 posted on 10/19/2007 8:40:13 PM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than theirs!)
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To: NucSubs
Translation?

Translation of what?

4 posted on 10/19/2007 9:45:51 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: GCC Catholic

I was just wondering about what this really meant. I am only peripherally knowledge about the various Anglican issues and sub-groups.


5 posted on 10/19/2007 9:55:51 PM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than theirs!)
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To: NucSubs; sionnsar; Huber
I was just wondering about what this really meant.

Oh. Not a problem. I'll give you the Reader's Digest version (to be corrected and/or expounded on by others if necessary):

The TAC is a group of high-church Anglicans who are very Catholic in doctrine and discipline. This, if I recall correctly, is based in the Oxford movement of the 19th Century (the same movement of Cardinal Newman). Due to the chaos in the Anglican Church, especially in the last few years, they have been considering petitioning the Holy Father for full union in the Catholic Church. This article explains that this has now taken place.

The TAC's position is in contrast to some of the other "Continuing Anglican" groups who disagree with The Episcopal Church's positions on homosexuality (and even a few still who disagree with the ordination of women, especially to the episcopacy); the other groups seem to be more Evangelical in discipline and belief, thus they haven't been leaning towards Rome.

I'll ping Sionnsar and Huber to this post. Either of them could fill you in more fully on the situation than I can.

6 posted on 10/19/2007 10:06:05 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: GCC Catholic

Okay. I think I get it. Thanks.


7 posted on 10/19/2007 10:23:26 PM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than theirs!)
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To: GCC Catholic; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
With approximately 100 congregations in the U.S., the Anglican Church in America (ACA) is among the largest of several “Continuing Churches” which emerged from the Affirmation of St. Louis and the 1977 gathering of former Episcopalians and other Anglicans.

This article provides actual numbers. Thank you for posting it!

8 posted on 10/20/2007 5:50:34 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: GCC Catholic

Praised be the Lord! With the Anglican Use already in place, it ought to be a fairly smooth transition - at least it would seem so. If they do become Anglican Use Catholic churches, that would mean many, many more opportunities (geographically speaking) for Anglican Use worship. From just a handful to over 100 throughout the country! What a blessing that would be!


9 posted on 10/20/2007 8:08:51 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: GCC Catholic

I read elsewhere that one issue of concern is that there are lots of married priests and bishops in this group.


10 posted on 10/20/2007 8:30:29 AM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman
I read elsewhere that one issue of concern is that there are lots of married priests and bishops in this group.

Priests who married only once should not be much of an issue; they could be accepted under the current Pastoral Provision. Bishops who are married only once may or may not be able to function as bishops (as all bishops in the Catholic and Orthodox churches are celibate), but as priests would also fall under the same provision.

Priests and bishops who have been divorced and remarried, or who were raised in the Catholic Church, left, were ordained, and would be returning could be left with greater issues concerning their ministry.

All of those would certainly have to be taken into consideration.

11 posted on 10/20/2007 12:08:08 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: GCC Catholic

I believe JP II’s Pastoral Provision only pertains to America and not England. The English Bishops asked for something similar as long as they controlled the procedures. So if my understanding is correct then only the ACA would fall under the Pastoral Provision. The rest of TAC would of have to approach the English Bishops unless the Vatican is taking this up as a whole. Please correct me if I am wrong.


12 posted on 10/20/2007 12:31:50 PM PDT by neb52
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To: nanetteclaret

at angelqueen.org there is a lot of discussion on this issue.
apparently they would not use the “Anglican use”; their service appears to be very close to TLM


13 posted on 10/20/2007 1:38:25 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: GCC Catholic; ahadams2; showme_the_Glory; blue-duncan; brothers4thID; sionnsar; ...
Thanks to GCC Catholic for the ping.

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14 posted on 10/20/2007 8:16:03 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber
Thanks for pinging this.

I'd be VERY surprised if Rome agreed to union. The TAC has tried this before.

15 posted on 10/20/2007 8:23:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: GCC Catholic; NucSubs; sionnsar

While the “Continuing Anglican” Churches certainly disagree with the Episcopal church over its position on homosexuality, they broke with the Episcopal Church in 1977 primarily over woman’s ordination, which was simply inconsistent with the sacramental role of the Priest as the representive of Christ the Bridegroom with the Church as the Bride, as well as proposed changes to the prayerbook. Most of the Continuing Churches are traditional, primarily Anglo-Catholic rather than evangelical, although various subdivisions of the original group as well as more recent additions of groups describing themselves as “Continuing Anglicans” have resulted in some evangelical groups as well.


16 posted on 10/20/2007 8:32:20 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: sionnsar; Huber; GCC Catholic; Salvation

Thanks for the *Ping* ! and for posting this info about the Traditional Anglican Communion.


17 posted on 10/21/2007 12:21:21 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman
their service appears to be very close to TLM

Are they using the Knott Missal?

18 posted on 10/21/2007 10:49:23 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: neb52

You may very well be right. I’m not really sure.


19 posted on 10/21/2007 10:50:18 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: GCC Catholic

yes it is the Knott missal

http://www.oldcatholic.org/liturgy/knott.html

this is my understanding—but i only get this from this website (i am no expert)

http://angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16934&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


20 posted on 10/21/2007 3:40:24 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: sionnsar
The TAC has tried this before.

It's different this time.

21 posted on 10/21/2007 5:32:15 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican
I'll take your word for it; I've been way too tied up elsewhere.

What's different?

22 posted on 10/21/2007 5:48:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

Check your freepmail.


23 posted on 10/21/2007 6:44:04 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: GCC Catholic

We all knew this day would come. Let’s pray that a full and sacramental union can be effected soon!


24 posted on 10/22/2007 12:44:24 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: secret garden; xsmommy

Interesting changes.


25 posted on 10/22/2007 12:55:52 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Huber

What does “continuing” mean in the phrase “Continuing Anglican”?


26 posted on 10/22/2007 5:16:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: trad_anglican; sionnsar

Why is it different this time? Does Rome having given up on any kind of reconciliation with Canterbury have anything to do with it? Or are there issues internal to TAC that have changed?

Personally, I think there’s a very good probability some kind of deal will be worked out. I’m not sure what, but there’s lots of good will on both sides, which usually bodes well for these things!


27 posted on 10/22/2007 5:55:23 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

The TAC is taking an approach that is more “comfortable” for the Vatican. They did a better job clearing the way before meeting which resulted in a better reception than past efforts and are behaving themselves better since the “delivery.”


28 posted on 10/22/2007 6:29:57 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: GCC Catholic

I kind of get the impression from what I’ve read that there aren’t any HUGE Theological (if any) problems to be overcome it would seem to boil down to Administrative and a couple of issues regarding discipline.

I think a granting of a dispensation or two might be necessary as well.

The married Bishops thing is a problem as is Hepworth’s unusual status as a married ex-Catholic Priest.

Maybe Rome could select a Celibate Priest from among the ranks of the TAC and elevate him to the Episcopacy, kind of like what they did when all those SSPXrs came over in 1988.

All that said, it’s a very good starting point.


29 posted on 10/22/2007 7:51:46 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: Cheverus
Dear Cheverus,

“The married Bishops thing is a problem as is Hepworth’s unusual status as a married ex-Catholic Priest.”

My middle-aged memory may be failing me, but I seem to recall that Archbishop Hepworth has said that he would be willing to step down if it was what was required to achieve reunion with Rome.


sitetest

30 posted on 10/22/2007 7:59:40 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: trad_anglican
Dear trad_anglican,

I’d be interested in a more detailed description of how the TAC’s approach is more “comfortable” for the Vatican this time.

Any insights that you have (that wouldn’t betray confidences given, of course) would be much appreciated.

Thanks,


sitetest

31 posted on 10/22/2007 8:02:04 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman

Interesting - thanks for the info. More TLM would be wonderful, too!


32 posted on 10/22/2007 8:33:31 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: sitetest

I believe you are correct, but there would still be the issue of him functioning as a Priest....a dispensation would be necessary in that case.


33 posted on 10/22/2007 8:49:53 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: sitetest
I believe that the TAC bishops cleared the way much more effecitvely this time than they have in the past. Their letter got a better reception than did past efforts. Also, I believe they addressed the doctrinal issues in a different way than has been done in the past.

I know a lot of attention has been focused on the married bishops issue but I don't see why that one would be a show-stopper. I think the TAC bishops realize that this issue is bigger than any of them individually and that Anglican practice in this area is at odds with catholic and apostolic tradition.

This is a very exciting possiblity but nothing like this is going to happen in a hurry. People on both sides of the Tiber need to remain calm and let the dialogue happen. I think the TAC bishops are more sensitive now to the importance of not having the dialogue take place through press releases, and of the way that issues such as this are handled within the Curia (is that the right term?).

34 posted on 10/22/2007 9:36:49 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: Cheverus
Dear Cheverus,

“I believe you are correct, but there would still be the issue of him functioning as a Priest....a dispensation would be necessary in that case.”

Yes, that’s true. I don’t know how old Archbishop Hepworth is, but if he’s not too far away from a normal retirement age, perhaps that could be finessed.


sitetest

35 posted on 10/22/2007 9:48:13 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: trad_anglican
Dear trad_anglican,

“I believe that the TAC bishops cleared the way much more effecitvely this time than they have in the past.”

How so?

“Their letter got a better reception than did past efforts. Also, I believe they addressed the doctrinal issues in a different way than has been done in the past.”

What are the differences in how they addressed the doctrinal issues from how they did in the past?

“I know a lot of attention has been focused on the married bishops issue but I don’t see why that one would be a show-stopper.”

My sense is that the TAC bishops are prepared to “take the hit” to achieve reunion. You seem to suggest that that is the case.

“I think the TAC bishops are more sensitive now to the importance of not having the dialogue take place through press releases, and of the way that issues such as this are handled within the Curia (is that the right term?).”

I understand.

Thanks,


sitetest

36 posted on 10/22/2007 9:48:32 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

I don’t want to seem to be playing coy, but the last point is really the key to why I can’t say anything more about the fist two points. We’ll just have to let the process work itself through and pray, along with Jesus, that we may all be one.


37 posted on 10/22/2007 10:01:51 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican

Okay. No problem - I understand.


38 posted on 10/22/2007 10:05:31 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: trad_anglican; sitetest

I seem to remember Hepworth saying....maybe around the end of 2005 or so...that they weren’t going to comment on the negotiations publicly anymore. That tipped me off then, and still does, that things are getting serious.

I am very optimistic, and the TAC remains in my daily prayers.


39 posted on 10/22/2007 11:04:53 AM PDT by Claud
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