Posted on 10/25/2007 9:24:05 AM PDT by NYer
The Other Christ: Padre Pio and 19th Century Italy, by the historian Sergio Luzzatto, draws on a document found in the Vatican's archive.
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The document reveals the testimony of a pharmacist who said that the young Padre Pio bought four grams of carbolic acid in 1919.
"I was an admirer of Padre Pio and I met him for the first time on 31 July 1919," wrote Maria De Vito.
She claimed to have spent a month with the priest in the southern town of San Giovanni Rotondo, seeing him often.
"Padre Pio called me to him in complete secrecy and telling me not to tell his fellow brothers, he gave me personally an empty bottle, and asked if I would act as a chauffeur to transport it back from Foggia to San Giovanni Rotondo with four grams of pure carbolic acid.
"He explained that the acid was for disinfecting syringes for injections. He also asked for other things, such as Valda pastilles."
The testimony was originally presented to the Vatican by the Archbishop of Manfredonia, Pasquale Gagliardi, as proof that Padre Pio caused his own stigmata with acid.
It was examined by the Holy See during the beatification process of Padre Pio and apparently dismissed.
Padre Pio, whose real name was Francesco Forgione, died in 1968. He was made a saint in 2002. A recent survey in Italy showed that more people prayed to him than to Jesus or the Virgin Mary. He exhibited stigmata throughout his life, starting in 1911.
The new allegations were greeted with an instant dismissal from his supporters. The Catholic Anti-Defamation League said Mr Luzzatto was a liar and was "spreading anti-Catholic libels".
Pietro Siffi, the president of the League, said: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility.
"We would like to suggest to Mr Luzzatto that he dedicates his energies to studying religion properly."
Thank you for the links! I will be sure to check them out! :-)
Padre Pio would not be a saint if the Church had not ruled on it.
There are three steps to sainthood
1 Venerable
2. Blessed (one miracle proven)
3. Saint (at least two miracles proven)
Read Ruffin’s book that An American Mother previously posted about. It is chock full of Padre Pio miracles.
**I will be sure to check them out!**
You said you didn’t have a clue about checking on these things. This is only one source. If you want more, I can find them for you.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
The more the merrier, I always say. More resources, more answers. Thank you for taking the time to do this! I appreciate it.
Thank you for your POV! I appreciate it! :-)
You just can’t accept the fact that you came extremely early on this thread and derailed it, and that someone could be angry with you over it.
So, you post that my anger is related to my grief? And that I’m angry with people who are not Catholic? Quite a leap—did you ever consider that I’m angry because of your (and your fellow protestants’) consistently rude behavior on these threads?
I think you’d like praying the Rosary. You should try it. The “Our Father” is a big part of the Rosary devotion.:) Many Saints have prayed the Rosary. Perhaps it will help you.
Letter 33 - Padre Pio of Pietrelcina, 16 November 1914.
Padre Pio and the Mother Co-redemptrix(CATHOLIC CAUCUS)
Saint Padre Pio letters #29Correspondence with Raffaelina Cerase
Message, St. Padre Pio During Mass
Padre Pio and the Guardian Angel
Spiritual Counsels from Saint Padre Pio
What Does It Means To Be Canonized.(Padre Pio example)
Feast of St. Pio this FRIDAY! (Padre Pio - Pray for Texas!)
Padre Pio's Love for the Blessed Mother
Padre Pio's Shrine, as the Architect Sees It - Renzo Piano Talks about Church, San Giovanni Rotondo
Padre Pio Aid Says Saint Accepted New Mass
Padre Pio: on Spirituality, Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Missae
Remarkable Transformation: Padre Pio
Cardinal Schotte (Head of the Synod of Bishops) and his view on Dallas; Rose petals for Padre Pio
Saint Padre Pio's Body Not Found in His Tomb?
Padre Pio Now A Saint - Wrestled With Devil, Predicted Future
Padre Pio Wrestled with Devil, Predicted Future
Pope Bestows Sainthood on Padre Pio
Wow! That’s a bunch of research! :-)
Thanks! I’m betting I’ll find some answers there!
I really appreciate all the links!
In addition to my earlier post:
James 5:16; Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saints’ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.
1 Tim 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the one mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives Jesus the most glory. He does it all but loves us so much He desires our participation.
Since it was not, it is an open thread and challenges are to be expected.
You are useless.
Bookmarked it, thanks.
Didn’t Laura Ingraham also convert to Catholicism?
She’s one of my favorite talk show personalities.
And, in case you came in late, our teaching is that Mary was sinless not, so to speak, intrinsically, but by an anticipatory or "proleptic" gift of Christ. (Thank you, Duns Scotus.)That is she WOULD have been born into sin but - because God has a different approach to time from ours - Christ's saving work was applied to her, so to speak, "in advance".
As to WHY we think that, I can say this, which is not meant to be dispositive. Back when I was a Protestant clergydude, it hit me one day that Mary had said a "Yes" to God's request to use her entire being. And subsequent to that yes, She brought perfect Love into the world.
And, enthusiastic sinner that I am, even I want to bring Love into the world. And so I'd like to say Mary's "yes". But I can't. The minute I give myself to God, I snatch myself back. If Gabriel had come to me, I would have said, "Well, sort of, I guess, maybe okay, but can I have my lawyer look at the fine print first?" and then I would have tried to weasel out of it.
So, in my graced moments I want to share in Christ's work. And in my graced moments I want to give a whole-hearted, unreserved, "yes" to God. But I see I cannot do that without extraordinary Grace.
So I conclude that Mary had extraordinary Grace. And, as the moon is wonderfully beautiful, shining not with its own light, but with the light of the Sun, but still helping me make my way through the night, so Mary shines with reflected light and guides me as I walk the way of sinful penitent pilgrims.I see by the sun, but I am very grateful for the moon.
The saints are alive ust as much as the Father and Son. It’s in the Bible.
I do not pretend to understand WHY God does what he does and doesn't do what he doesn't do. He COULD have told us to do something to prevent the rise of Islam, but he didn't. He COULD have told us about the Internet, but he did not. The absence of evidence that he wished us to ask the saved for intercession is not evidence of the absence of his desire that we do so. Christ did not die at the crucifixion, he is very much alive, and perfectly capable of expressing his intentions to us on earth.
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