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The author, Roy H. Schoeman, was born in a suburb of New York City of “Conservative" Jewish parents who had fled Nazi Germany.  His Jewish education and formation was received under some of the most prominent Rabbis in contemporary American Jewry, including Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg, probably the foremost Conservative Rabbi in the U.S. and his hometown Rabbi growing up;  Rabbi Arthur Green, later the head of the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College who was his religion teacher and mentor during high school and early college; and Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach, a prominent Hasidic Rabbi with whom he lived in Israel for several months.

His secular education included a B.Sc. from M.I.T. and an M.B.A. magna cum laude from Harvard Business School. Midway through a career of teaching and consulting (he had been appointed to the faculty of the Harvard Business School) he experienced an unexpected and instantaneous conversion to Christianity which led to a dramatic refocus of his activities. Since then he has pursued theological studies at several seminaries, helped produce and host a Catholic Television talk show, and edited and written for several Catholic books and reviews.

• Visit Roy's website, which contains much more information about Salvation is from the Jews, at

1 posted on 11/01/2007 11:29:10 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Excellent book!

2 posted on 11/01/2007 11:29:41 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Wow, you’re really trying to get people to look at this book, aren’t you? ;-)

3 posted on 11/01/2007 11:31:23 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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Bump to read later.

4 posted on 11/01/2007 11:32:23 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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>the concerted efforts of the past century to eliminate the Jews and, failing that, to destroy the nascent State of Israel, well might be part of a diabolical attempt to prevent the Second Coming

And the flip-side is,
conspiracy types can say
the secular push

for a "Jewish" home
in the Middle East that's not
a theocracy

is a counterfeit,
a diabolical try
to fake God's kingdom

and force the End Times
at our convenience, not God's.
Tin foil cuts both ways.

7 posted on 11/01/2007 11:46:21 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: NYer

Another book to buy...THANKS!

9 posted on 11/01/2007 12:38:32 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: NYer

For reference.

11 posted on 11/01/2007 12:49:50 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: NYer
This one in particular caught my attention:
–Sometime before the Second Coming, two-thirds of the Jews in "the whole land" will be exterminated (Zechariah 13:8-9):
"In the whole land, says the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, 'They are my people'; and they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"
In fact, during the Holocaust almost exactly two-thirds of Europe's Jews perished (estimates vary between 60% and 72%). [5]
I would think most conservative Jewish scholars would interpret "the whole land" as referring to the ancient land of Israel.

Seems that if you are going to twist the prophecies to the extent suggested here you can pretty much make the Bible say anything you want it to say.

And this:

Jesus Himself prophesied the conversion of the Jews prior to the Second Coming when He said (Matthew 23:37-39):
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem.... Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
Here Jesus is saying that he will not be seen again (i.e., the Second Coming will not occur) until "you" (the Jews) say, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" (i.e., acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah).
Is that really what Jesus was saying? Is the author limiting the timeframe to some period just prior to the second coming, or can this not describe the entire NT age?

I see a lot of Roman Catholic dogma being mentioned, but just curious, are these authoritative interpretations of the Bible, or one man’s suggestions?

The article reads like a strange mix of modern-day fundamentalist Christian eschatology and moderately conservative Jewish thinking. And it doesn’t seem to do either one very well.

12 posted on 11/01/2007 1:28:45 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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Bump to check out the eschatology

13 posted on 11/01/2007 5:20:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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–The Jewish nation will be reborn in a single day (Isaiah 66:5-8):

"Hear the word of the LORD.... Hark, an uproar from the city! A voice from the temple! The voice of the LORD, rendering recompense to his enemies! Before she was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she was delivered of a son. Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her sons."

This was quite literally fulfilled when on May 14, 1948, the modern State of Israel was born in a single day following the passage of UN Resolution 181 partitioning "Palestine" into the Arab State of Jordan and the Jewish State of Israel.

Never mind sloppy theology permeating this article, I just thought it was interesting that at the same time I saw this thread, I had this image open in another window:

"Jewish state" was crossed out and changed to "State of Israel". Of course it's a Jewish state, but I've always been intrigued by the particular change. That is, a home was created for the House of Judah, but the House of Israel was (is) MIA. Yet the new home is named Israel, with a deemphasis on the term "Jewish". Thus, the *whole* state of Israel was born before the labor of his (the house of Israel's) return.

Furthermore, the page does not have a title, nor a formal structure such as "To:", "From:", "Re:", "Date:". It's just a proclamation of being, with a signature of approval, and a time at the end that is separated from the date. It looks more like a chapter and verse reference.

Hosea 6:11 Also, O Judah, he hath set an harvest for thee, when I returned the captivity of my people.

6.11. Also, O Judah, he has set a harvest for you; When I would have returned the captivity of my people:

Not to mention that the statement is the first recognition of Israel from the chief of nations, the United States, made by a President named TRUman.

Before she labored she gave birth. Can the irony get any thicker?

Jeremiah 31:6-9

6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.
7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.
8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

18 posted on 11/01/2007 7:59:53 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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