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Single Word Change in Book of Mormon Speaks Volumes
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | November 8, 2007 | Peggy Fletcher Stack

Posted on 11/08/2007 5:23:05 PM PST by Colofornian

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1 posted on 11/08/2007 5:23:07 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

***In recent years, many LDS scholars have come to share Butler’s belief in what is known as the “limited geography” theory. By this view, the Nephites and Lamanites restricted their activities to portions of Central America, which would explain their absence from the general American Indian genetics. ****

So how did this “book” end up buried in a hill in New York if it only pertains to Central America.


2 posted on 11/08/2007 5:28:53 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: greyfoxx39; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Enosh; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; ...

FI Ping


3 posted on 11/08/2007 5:29:43 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
So how did this “book” end up buried in a hill in New York if it only pertains to Central America.

Oh, Details, details, details. (Shh. Ya don't want to cut into the tourist industry in the Hill Cumorah region of NY, do you?)

4 posted on 11/08/2007 5:31:02 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

The winds of change are blowing through the LDS Church. Perhaps one day, they will truly be one of us and we can call them Christian.

At this pace, it will take another 1000 years, but what the heck!


5 posted on 11/08/2007 5:31:29 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Colofornian
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe founder Joseph Smith unearthed a set of gold plates from a hill in upperstate New York in 1827 and translated the ancient text into English. The account, known as The Book of Mormon, tells the story of two Israelite civilizations living in the New World. One derived from a single family who fled from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. and eventually splintered into two groups, known as the Nephites and Lamanites.

Once upon a time, [insert fairy tale here]...

6 posted on 11/08/2007 5:33:10 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Colofornian

Dum dum dum DUM dum ...


7 posted on 11/08/2007 5:33:16 PM PST by ikka
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To: colorcountry
The winds of change are blowing through the LDS Church. Perhaps one day, they will truly be one of us and we can call them Christian.

Well, we've seen the RLDS move a little closer thru the decades. We've seen Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God become orthodox. And we've seen many LD Saints become holy saints in Christ. The Lord's arm has a long reach.

8 posted on 11/08/2007 5:33:58 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

“After testing the DNA of more than 12,000 Indians, though, most researchers have concluded that the continent’s early inhabitants came from Asia across the Bering Strait.”

Oh PA-LEEZE! These same “researchers” would probably tell us after extensive “testing” that the planet is MORE than 6,000 years old!

(extreme sarcasm alert)


9 posted on 11/08/2007 5:37:30 PM PST by Grunthor (Liberals need to be reminded that The Holy Bible is more than just Godís opinion.)
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To: Colofornian

I am still trying to figure out why blacks became ‘worthy’ or ‘human’ or what ever it was in the 1970s and how if god ordained polygamy as a tenant of faith how come he changed his mind, when it meant Utah could not become a state.
It is all sooooooooo confusing.


10 posted on 11/08/2007 5:37:51 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Once upon a time, [insert fairy tale here]...

Yes, a good story teller always needs this intro. And then a good story teller tellin a tale from scratch needs a few thou "And it came to pass..." transitions to give said story teller enough time to conjure up the next phrase or scenario.

11 posted on 11/08/2007 5:38:00 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: snarks_when_bored
"After testing the DNA of more than 12,000 Indians, though, most researchers have concluded that the continent's early inhabitants came from Asia across the Bering Strait."

That DNA sure is pesky stuff.

"The Lamanites are invisible, not principal ancestors."

Look closely. See the Lamanite? You can't? It's because he's invisible! LMAO!

12 posted on 11/08/2007 5:38:28 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Colofornian
...as scholarship progresses.

Interesting justification for changing a long-held theory.

13 posted on 11/08/2007 5:40:20 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: svcw
Still trying to figure out...how if god ordained polygamy as a tenant of faith how come he changed his mind, when it meant Utah could not become a state.

Well if you live in the twin cities @ the SW Utah-NW AZ border (Colorado City, etc.), the Mormon god hasn't changed his mind. If you live in the celestial kingdom, the Mormon god hasn't changed his mind. It's only if you lived in all other colonies, that he put it on hold for a bit.

I am still trying to figure out why blacks became ‘worthy’ or ‘human’ or what ever it was in the 1970s...

Well, I'll tell you one thing: Those African-American athletes playing for BYU are quite valiant, after all!

14 posted on 11/08/2007 5:42:49 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry

I copied it quickly, before resty shows up with the hive members to have the thread pulled.


15 posted on 11/08/2007 5:43:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Ciexyz
...as scholarship progresses. Interesting justification for changing a long-held theory.

You're not inferrin' that Reformed-Egyptian-decipherin'-Joe, that Greek-&-Hebrew-illiterate Joe, & DNA-clueless Joe was somethin' less than a scholar, are ya?

16 posted on 11/08/2007 5:45:48 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: MHGinTN

I wonder what will be the tracer “threat of the day.”

LOL


17 posted on 11/08/2007 5:47:10 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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In 1971, Church President Spencer W. Kimball said that Lehi, the family patriarch, was "the ancestor of all of the Indian and Mestizo tribes in North and South and Central America and in the islands of the sea." After testing the DNA of more than 12,000 Indians, though, most researchers have concluded that the continent's early inhabitants came from Asia across the Bering Strait.

So, the then "living prophet" was wrong, mistaken? (If he was off-base on this, where else?)

18 posted on 11/08/2007 5:48:35 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I remember reading this scripture and being told that the land was kept pure as the “land of promise” to Lehi and his family.

2 Nephi 1:8 And behold, it is wisdom that this land should be kept as yet from the knowledge of other nations; for behold, many nations would overrun the land, that there would be no place for an inheritance.
9 Wherefore, I, Lehi, have obtained a promise, that inasmuch as those whom the Lord God shall bring out of the land of Jerusalem shall keep his commandments, they shall prosper upon the face of this land; and they shall be kept from all other nations, that they may possess this land unto themselves. And if it so be that they shall keep his commandments they shall be blessed upon the face of this land, and there shall be none to molest them, nor to take away the land of their inheritance; and they shall dwell safely forever.

http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/1/5#5

Now the LDS Church wants us to believe that the Hebrew DNA was swamped out by the multitudes of Asians that were already on the American Continent.

The interesting thing is, they will manage to pull this story off with the True Believers.


19 posted on 11/08/2007 5:55:22 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Colofornian; restornu

{Yawn}

This is the big breakthrough you guys have been waiting for?

And you are trying to say that the President of the Church is always supposed to be speaking in his role as God’s Prophet?

Wow, you guys sure do get excited about very little. Been getting into the sacramental wine have you?

Please, y’all go ahead and have fun with this one. I wouldn’t want to spoil the only fun you will have all week!

8-)


20 posted on 11/08/2007 5:57:08 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Degaston

Ping to you Brother.

Do you have anything to add to this preposterous “change” in Mormon understanding of the Lamanites (American Natives)?


21 posted on 11/08/2007 5:57:23 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Old Mountain man

Here, have a little cog dis with that whine.


22 posted on 11/08/2007 6:01:30 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Old Mountain man
And you are trying to say that the President of the Church is always supposed to be speaking in his role as God’s Prophet?

(Oh, no. We're sure that whenever a "living prophet" addresses an interpretation of the Book of Mormon, that it's tantamount to no more...oh, to espousing what brand of coffee NOT to drink).

23 posted on 11/08/2007 6:03:15 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

When the Prophet is speaking as the Prophet, he says so. Period. No bravo sierra from you will change that.


24 posted on 11/08/2007 6:06:11 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: colorcountry

You guys are funny as all get out. Did they change anything substantive in the BOM? No?

Hmmm . . . looks like you folks are wasting your time again!

Goodnight to one and all!


25 posted on 11/08/2007 6:08:22 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
When the Prophet is speaking as the Prophet, he says so. Period. No bravo sierra from you will change that.

Not true. MOST of what has been said by EVERY LDS "prophet" was never so couched apriori. (Does that mean you get disregard all such unqualified statements? I doubt you'd conclude that).

Even LDS HQ Deseret Publisher claimed that the Journal of Discourses was "inspired" (DP's word, not mine)

26 posted on 11/08/2007 6:13:09 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry
The winds of change are blowing through the LDS Church. Perhaps one day, they will truly be one of us and we can call them Christian.

Why pray tell would they want to be one of you?

27 posted on 11/08/2007 6:18:49 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask Mitt Romney. He keeps saying he is one of us (Christian that is)


28 posted on 11/08/2007 6:20:54 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: colorcountry

Cuz I’m asking you.


29 posted on 11/08/2007 6:23:55 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

It appears they are running from their own doctrine as fast as they can. Perhaps they will join you, and become converted to Judaism. They are very good at “law keeping.” They already believe they are adopted descendents of Ephraim and Manassah, so perhaps you are right.

Only God ultimately knows.


30 posted on 11/08/2007 6:28:49 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: MHGinTN

I learned it’s best to send the page by e-mail to myself. That way I always have a copy, even if it “disappears” as some have over the years.


31 posted on 11/08/2007 6:33:47 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; colorcountry

***Perhaps they will join you, and become converted to Judaism.***

Maybe then THEY will tell me what sin Israel did that was so bad that God allowed the Holy temple to be destroyed and has not allowed it to be rebuilt in these last 2000 years.
The Jews were expelled from the first holy temple for only seventy years. Why two thousand years.


32 posted on 11/08/2007 7:02:46 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I never thought of that. God made them a promise, I guess they couldn’t keep their end of the bargain. (nor could have I)

Aren’t we blessed in Christ?


33 posted on 11/08/2007 7:08:53 PM PST by colorcountry ("ever met a gang banger with a hunter safety card?" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Old Mountain man
Did they change anything substantive in the BOM?

2 Nephi 30:6 in editions of the BOM prior to 1978 reads "... and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people."

I know that because I have a copy of the 1977 edition in front of me.

Editions of the BOM after 1978 change the word "white" in 2 Nephi 30:6 to "pure".

How do you suppose that happened, since the gold plates have never resurfaced, and no "reformed Egyptian" text exists for the church to retranslate, even if there were any scholars fluent in "reformed Egyptian"?

Could it be that God's perfect revelation had to be edited a bit to conform to a change in church policy regarding the priesthood?

34 posted on 11/08/2007 7:13:48 PM PST by Campion
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Maybe then THEY will tell me what sin Israel did that was so bad that God allowed the Holy temple to be destroyed and has not allowed it to be rebuilt in these last 2000 years.

What do you mean? Of course it's been rebuilt ... there's one in Salt Lake City, one in Ogden, one in Logan, one in Idaho Falls, one in Los Angeles, one in London, one in Washington, DC ...

35 posted on 11/08/2007 7:16:25 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

Either that or could it be that in common usage at the time the BOM was translated, the words could be used interchangeably? Did that ever occur to you or are you just looking for something to put us down with?


36 posted on 11/08/2007 7:27:25 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Either that or could it be that in common usage at the time the BOM was translated, the words could be used interchangeably?

You mean "pure," "white," and "mark of Cain" are just three ways of saying the same thing? Who knew?

Did that ever occur to you or are you just looking for something to put us down with?

You guys stop going after Catholics to convert and I'll stop going after you. Until then, you're fair game.

37 posted on 11/08/2007 7:32:56 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

Oh, you are one of those infallability of the Pope papists?


38 posted on 11/08/2007 7:39:01 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Colofornian
Ed Milligan, Sioux scholar and anthropologist, had nothing to do with the Mormon faith as far as I know. He did, however, point out when I was his student the very logical observation that the ruins of ancient American civilization were quite advanced from Peru to central Mexico and got far more rudimentary as one moved northward.

While this observation neither "proves" nor "denies" that all native peoples in the Americas came across the Bering land bridge as conventional theory teaches, it would be the first time that civilization becomes more advanced the further away the original settlers move from their point of entry.

Then, there is the strange case of Kennewick Man, a caucasiod skeleton older than the native peoples in the area of present-day Washington State.

Like the so-called "truth" about Gorebal warming, majority vote or concensus does not determine actual scientific fact. A statement that all native peoples to America came across the Bearing Straight is as silly as a claim that none of them did. As Mark Twain said "No generalizaton is worth a damn, including this one."

39 posted on 11/08/2007 7:43:19 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Old Mountain man; Campion

***Either that or could it be that in common usage at the time the BOM was translated, the words could be used interchangeably?***

***You mean “pure,” “white,” and “mark of Cain” are just three ways of saying the same thing? Who knew?***

There is a simple way to get at the origional meaning. I understand Joseph Smith’s “peep stone” is in the posession of the church historians.
Place it in a hat, have the church “prophet” look into it and tell us what appears. Have him wired with a mini cam so the world can see it and all will be cleared up!

Simple, isn’t it!


40 posted on 11/08/2007 7:46:29 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Old Mountain man
Yeah, I belong to that "great and abominable church" your BoM talks about, full of "priestcraft" and "superstition" and "idolatry".

Boo!

And don't mess with the albino monk assassin squads, either.

41 posted on 11/08/2007 7:47:38 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

Better watch out or the Spanish Inquisition will get you!


42 posted on 11/08/2007 7:50:42 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man; Campion
Better watch out or the Spanish Inquisition will get you!

Well, the alleged reason why Hill & Huck won't campaign in Utah is 'cause their wagon train originally hitched up in Arkansas & certain Mormons were known to dress up in WarPaint on 9/11.

43 posted on 11/08/2007 7:53:14 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Enterprise

I’m a Laminate, myself.


44 posted on 11/08/2007 7:54:51 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Old Mountain man

They play on my team.


45 posted on 11/08/2007 7:55:13 PM PST by Campion
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To: Colofornian

Watch it! My musket is loaded!

(somewhere)


46 posted on 11/08/2007 7:55:51 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: kaehurowing

You’ll make a GREAT private investigator then!


47 posted on 11/08/2007 7:57:11 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: kaehurowing
I’m a Laminate, myself.

Yes, oh my (looking whiter & brighter every day, IMA)

48 posted on 11/08/2007 7:58:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Old Mountain man; restornu; greyfoxx39
Watch it! My musket is loaded! (somewhere)

OK, if you & Resty are 2 of the Musketeers, who's the 3rd?

49 posted on 11/08/2007 7:59:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

My son, the missionary!


50 posted on 11/08/2007 8:12:10 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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