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Single Word Change in Book of Mormon Speaks Volumes
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | November 8, 2007 | Peggy Fletcher Stack

Posted on 11/08/2007 5:23:05 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: Old Mountain man; Campion
My son, the missionary!

Oh, the Catholic converter Campion called out about.

(BTW: If NONE Of the key distinctive doctrines that LDS teaches about its faith are in the Book of Mormon, why are LDS missionaries intentionally disengenous by having folks they visit read the BoM to pray about it? I mean, it comes across as a used car dealer who does a bait & switch with an leader...)

Oh, you didn't know that this marvelous vehicle we have on sale comes with flesh paint 'cause nobody mentioned that to you yet?

Oh, you didn't know that this marvelous work & wonder didn't come in 3 shades of glory?

Oh, you didn't know that, you took can not only drive this vehicle, but be the maker of it?

Oh, you didn't know that when the first lemon car came out that it was actually a matter of celebration within the auto industry? (Yeah, it's what we call an "upward lemon")

Oh, you didn't know that Priesthood Dealerships which gives us the authority to sell these vehicles wasn't mentioned in the paperwork we handed you?

Oh, you didn't know that we salvage salvage-yard vehicles by car-washing them by proxy 'cause that just wasn't mentioned in that "fulness of the everlasting what-you-need-to-know-about-vehicles-to-heaven" document we left with you to pray about?

51 posted on 11/08/2007 8:24:18 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Old Mountain man

***Watch it! My musket is loaded!

(somewhere)***

One hand made by Browning?


52 posted on 11/08/2007 8:28:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Colofornian
The book's current introduction, added by the late LDS apostle, Bruce R. McConkie in 1981, includes this statement: "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

The new version, seen first in Doubleday's revised edition, reads, "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians."

Ping for later

53 posted on 11/08/2007 8:47:04 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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54 posted on 11/08/2007 11:17:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Old Mountain man
Do you think these ‘missionary to the mormons’ will ever learn to be kind. Then do not seem to know the difference between ‘pro-christian’ and ‘anti-mormon’.
55 posted on 11/08/2007 11:35:30 PM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: Colofornian; Rameumptom; Reaganesque; Grig; sandude; Saundra Duffy; Utah Girl; Spiff; tantiboh; ...
"Our enemies have never done anything that has injured this work of God, and they never will. I look around, I read, I reflect, and I ask the question, Where are the men of influence, of power and prestige, who have worked against the Latter-day Saints? . . .

Where are the men who have assailed this work? Where is their influence? They have faded away like dew before the sun.

We need have no fears, we Latter-day Saints. God will continue to sustain this work; He will sustain the right.

If we are loyal, if we are true, if we are worthy of this gospel, of which God has given us a testimony, there is no danger that the world can ever injure us.

We can never be injured, my brethren and sisters, by any mortals, except ourselves.

If we fail to serve God, if we fail to do right, then we rob ourselves of the ability and power to grow, to increase in faith and knowledge, to have power with God, and with the righteous" (Gospel Standards, p. 85-86). ~ President Heber J. Grant

56 posted on 11/09/2007 3:48:52 AM PST by restornu (Improve The Shining Moment! Don't let them pass you by... PRESS FORWARD MITT)
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To: Colofornian
In recent years, many LDS scholars have come to share Butler's belief in what is known as the "limited geography" theory. By this view, the Nephites and Lamanites restricted their activities to portions of Central America, which would explain their absence from the general American Indian genetics.

Yeh, right!!! more like activities restricted to the "limited geography" of Joseph Smith's imagination --

57 posted on 11/09/2007 3:54:26 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Colofornian

The LDS Church has changed a single word in its introduction to the Book of Mormon, a change observers say has serious implications for commonly held LDS beliefs about the ancestry of American Indians.

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe founder Joseph Smith unearthed a set of gold plates from a hill in upperstate New York in 1827 and translated the ancient text into English. The account, known as The Book of Mormon, tells the story of two Israelite civilizations living in the New World. One derived from a single family who fled from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. and eventually splintered into two groups, known as the Nephites and Lamanites.

The book's current introduction, added by the late LDS apostle, Bruce R. McConkie in 1981, includes this statement: "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

The new version, seen first in Doubleday's revised edition, reads, "After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians."

LDS leaders instructed Doubleday to make the change, said senior editor Andrew Corbin, so it "would be in accordance with future editions the church is printing."

The change "takes into account details of Book of Mormon demography which are not known," LDS spokesman Mark Tuttle said Wednesday.

It also steps into the middle of a raging debate about the book's historical claims.

 


Ya think???



Oh... in my BoM 1981 edition, on the page with the introduction (4th sheet from front) has these lines...
 
"The record is now published in many languages as a new and additional witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that all who will come unto him and obey the laws and ordinances of his gospel may be saved.
 
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: "I told the brethern that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."
 
Then I find, just 4 pages past that, under A BRIEF EXPLANATION ABOUT  THE BOOK OF MORMON, I found this at the bottom of the page...
 
About this edition: Some minor errors in the text have been perpetrated in past editions of the Book of Mormon.  This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith.
 
 

Interesting and ever changing!

58 posted on 11/09/2007 4:50:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
In 1971, Church President Spencer W. Kimball said that Lehi, the family patriarch, was "the ancestor of all of the Indian and Mestizo tribes in North and South and Central America and in the islands of the sea."
59 posted on 11/09/2007 4:52:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
"I have always felt free to disavow the language of the [Book of Mormon's] introduction, footnotes and dictionary, which are not part of the canonical scripture," said Barney, on the board of FAIR, a Mormon apologist group. "These things can change as the scholarship progresses and our understanding enlarges. This suggests to me that someone on the church's scripture committee is paying attention to the discussion."

And many of the LDS organization's 'apologists' ...

...feel free to disavow most ANYTHING that upsets their tight little world view.

60 posted on 11/09/2007 4:53:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
And then a good story teller tellin a tale from scratch needs a few thou "And it came to pass..." transitions to give said story teller enough time to conjure up the next phrase or scenario.
 
 
I kinda like the phrase: and so forth.
 
 
 
The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 
 
 
and so forth must contain LOTS of 'umbra'!

61 posted on 11/09/2007 4:56:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Well if you live in the twin cities @ the SW Utah-NW AZ border (Colorado City, etc.), the Mormon god hasn't changed his mind.

If you read the 'scriptures' of the LDS organization, headquartered in SLC, there is nothing in them that shows GOD changing HIS mind on the Eternal Covenant of POLYGAMY!!


Does the Living Prophet® consider the MANIFESTO to be Scripture?

62 posted on 11/09/2007 5:00:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
Wow, you guys sure do get excited about very little.

Beats the heck out of being sucked in by a lot!

63 posted on 11/09/2007 5:02:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
When the Prophet is speaking as the Prophet, he says so. Period.

So; if he's CHANGING words that are printed IN YOUR SCRIPTURES, how is he speaking?

64 posted on 11/09/2007 5:03:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe founder Joseph Smith unearthed a set of gold plates from a hill in upperstate New York in 1827...

Jeesh....hearing that always makes me cringe.

It's upstate New York, not upperstate...no matter how far "up" you are. You can be a quarter mile north of Pennsylvania, like near where I grew up, and it's still "upstate."

65 posted on 11/09/2007 5:05:13 AM PST by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan.)
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To: Colofornian; Ruy Dias de Bivar
Oh, Details, details, details. (Shh. Ya don't want to cut into the tourist industry in the Hill Cumorah region of NY, do you?)

Yeah! What do you have against the town of Palmyra?!?

66 posted on 11/09/2007 5:06:25 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Did they change anything substantive in the BOM?

How Clintonian!

I guess it just depends on what "is" is!


Well... I guess you COULD say that Monica was AMONG the folks who ended up under my desk.

67 posted on 11/09/2007 5:08:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Why pray tell would they want to be one of you?

John Chapter 6:67-68
67. "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.
68. Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

68 posted on 11/09/2007 5:17:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Campion

Damned DETAILS again!!

You guys KNOW that little changes mean harding anything.

Even when there have been HUNDREDS of them.

—MormonDude(Glad I’ve built upon the sand!)


69 posted on 11/09/2007 5:20:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Campion; Old Mountain man
I know that because I have a copy of the 1977 edition in front of me.

MY 1950 edition says 'white and delightsome'

MY 1981 edition says 'pure and delightsome'

70 posted on 11/09/2007 5:23:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
Did that ever occur to you or are you just looking for something to put us down with?

Did that ever occur to you that your house is shifting?

71 posted on 11/09/2007 5:24:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Campion
Boo!

But do you have secret oops - SACRED ceremonies you perform, that NO uninitiated may observe??

72 posted on 11/09/2007 5:26:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kaehurowing
I’m a Laminate, myself.

We were going to go with Laminate, but decided on Corian and granite instead.

73 posted on 11/09/2007 5:29:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

I am curious as to how Joseph Smith was able to translate the ancient (unknown) language on the golden tablets into English. It must have taken him a long time. How could he lose the golden tablets before anyone else could see them?


74 posted on 11/09/2007 5:31:30 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Elsie
If we fail to serve God, if we fail to do right, then we rob ourselves of the ability and power to grow, to increase in faith and knowledge, to have power with God, and with the righteous" (Gospel Standards, p. 85-86). ~ President Heber J. Grant
 
Does SOMEone think that this IS SCRIPTURE?
 
If not, they are wasting their precious time.

75 posted on 11/09/2007 5:32:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

...HARDLY anything...


76 posted on 11/09/2007 5:34:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

Will this hurt Romney’s chances with the native American vote?


77 posted on 11/09/2007 6:03:24 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: Ditter

Another good question. You would think he would want people to see the tablets, I know I would.


78 posted on 11/09/2007 6:18:32 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: fproy2222

They are just gnats, more irritating than harmful. Remember President Hinckley and do as he did to the railroad engineer that cursed him.


79 posted on 11/09/2007 6:24:44 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Elsie

Actually, with you, getting sucked in takes on a whole new meaning.


80 posted on 11/09/2007 6:28:07 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Elsie

No, my house is not shifting, you are blowing smoke from different angles.


81 posted on 11/09/2007 6:28:58 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Elsie

Isn’t that nice. Have you read any of the rest of it?


82 posted on 11/09/2007 6:29:41 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Elsie

Now, now, accusations of that sort belong on your home site, along with the rest of the DUmmies.


83 posted on 11/09/2007 6:30:38 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Ditter; svcw
I am curious as to how Joseph Smith was able to translate the ancient (unknown) language on the golden tablets into English. It must have taken him a long time. How could he lose the golden tablets before anyone else could see them?

It's worse than that. Eyewitness testimony is that Joseph would peer into a hat, using his so-called seer stone that would yield a phrase by phrase dictation. He would call it out; the person recording it would read it back to him for accuracy.

If all that was needed was a seer stone dictator, why even bother with gold plates? From a divine preservation perspective, why bother having your people etch something that would take years to record on gold plates if no reader is ever going to benefit from them?

The fact is the gold plates were irrelevant to what came out in the Book of Mormon; the original Greek & Hebrew was irrelevant to what came out in Joseph Smith's version of the Bible (called the JST), as he didn't know Greek & Hebrew; the original funeral document content of what Smith called the "Book of Abraham" was irrelevant since not only did Smith not know what he called "Reformed Egyptian," there wasn't even such a language. (Yeah, right, Israelites frequently used the languages of their enemies)

84 posted on 11/09/2007 6:31:02 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Elsie

Do you know what a boring fellow you are?


85 posted on 11/09/2007 6:31:32 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man; Elsie
Do you know what a boring fellow you are?

Diversionary rule #1: when you can't aptly address the message, take aim @ the messenger.

(Els, for someone supposedly as "boring" as you are, you sure seem to nab the attention of a fair # of folks...rather than a sleepy-eyed reaction, they seem to be wide awake)

86 posted on 11/09/2007 7:43:11 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

LOL, good one!


87 posted on 11/09/2007 7:54:24 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Colofornian
This is going to be a hit and run. I don’t have time to start a new argument, let alone catch up on old ones. But, I would be remiss if I didn’t add a couple points to the Indian heritage discussion, and then I will leave again to let you do with it what you will. Use is to your enlightenment, or detriment, I suspect the latter. I’m certain it won’t be pretty.
________________________________________________________________________

1. The conquistador, Pedro Pizarro, reported in his account of the great Spanish invasion of South America in the 1500s, that while the masses of Andes Indians were small and dark, the members of the ruling Inca family were tall and had whiter skins than the Spaniards themselves. He talks of them having blue eyes, corn-blonde hair and white skins. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 351).

Heyerdahl reported that this is reflected in the mummies found in South America - on the Pacific coast, in the desert sand of Paracas, there are large burial caves in which numerous mummies have been perfectly preserved.

Some of the mummies were found to have the stiff black hair of the Indians, while others, which have been kept in the same conditions, have red, often chestnut-colored hair, “silky and wavy, as found amongst Europeans, they have long skulls and remarkably tall bodies. Hair experts have shown by microscopic analysis, that the red hair has all the characteristics that ordinarily distinguish a Nordic hair type from that of Mongols or American Indians.” (Heyerdahl, ibid., pages 351, 352).

Pizarro asked who the white skinned redheads were. The Inca Indians replied that they were the last descendants of the Viracochas. The Viracochas, they said, were a divine race of White men with beards. They were so like the Spanish that the Europeans were called Viracochas the moment they came to the Inca Empire. The Incas thought they were the Viracochas who had come sailing back across the Pacific. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 253).
When the Spaniards came to Lake Titicaca, up in the Andes, they found the mightiest ruins in all South America - Tiahuanaco. They saw a hill reshaped by man into a stepped pyramid, classical masonry of enormous blocks, beautifully dressed and fitted together, and numerous large statues in human form. They asked the Indians to tell them who had left these enormous ruins.

The well known chronicler, Cieza de Leon, was told in reply that these things had been made long before the Incas came to power. They were made by White and bearded men like the Spaniards themselves. (Heyerdahl, ibid., page 253).

The White men had finally abandoned their statues and gone with the leader, Con-Ticci Viracocha, first up to Cuzco, and then down to the Pacific. They were given the Inca name of Viracocha, or “sea foam’, because they were white skinned and vanished like foam over the sea.

Also, here’s an old FR discussion on some of this stuff:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714661/posts

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2. Both Daniel Boone and Lewis and Clark said they encountered blue eyed blond Indians during their explorations, mapping excursions.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2g5_u2AK9rcC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=daniel+boone+%22blue+eyed%22+natives&source=web&ots=vic-UqyaDQ&sig=o3FNct0SVXg2D7LoKTTYzP3HS6w#PPP1,M1

____________________________________________________________________

All of this of course is only one piece is a huge genetic puzzle. The Book of Mormon clearly states that there were many nephites who denied their faith and fled southward and joined in with the armies of the lamanites in the final battle. The genetics were there, and who knows how many other European or Viking expeditions were here. We are arrogant if we think Columbus was the first one here from the old world.

88 posted on 11/09/2007 7:55:54 AM PST by sevenbak (Wise men still seek Him.)
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To: Elsie
And many of the LDS organization's 'apologists' ...
...feel free to disavow most ANYTHING that upsets their tight little world view.

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89 posted on 11/09/2007 8:02:52 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Okay, I disavow you.


90 posted on 11/09/2007 8:08:37 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: sevenbak; Elsie

LOL, I love the way these posts conincided...thanks, seven, for proving elsie’s point so clearly.


91 posted on 11/09/2007 8:09:51 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Evidently I DO "upset their YOUR tight little world view." GOOD!
92 posted on 11/09/2007 8:13:46 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Actually, you are more amusing than upsetting.


93 posted on 11/09/2007 8:17:47 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

Ditto....I get a kick out of BOTH your personalities ;) This one is easier to follow, though.


94 posted on 11/09/2007 8:20:22 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Old Mountain man
My thoughts are that these are not ‘missionaries to Mormons’, they are hater/baiters.
95 posted on 11/09/2007 8:48:55 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: sevenbak
Both Daniel Boone and Lewis and Clark said they encountered blue eyed blond Indians

Since there aren't a whole lot of blue eyed blondes among the Sephardic Jewish population, it stands to reason that members of the "lost tribes of Israel" wouldn't be blue eyed or blonde.

Vikings, however, were fine seafarers ...

96 posted on 11/09/2007 8:50:43 AM PST by Campion
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To: fproy2222

You noticed that? And they thought they were being so cleverly deceptive about it!


97 posted on 11/09/2007 8:54:13 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Actually, with you, getting sucked in takes on a whole new meaning.

Why... what are you thinking?

You dirty old man you!

98 posted on 11/09/2007 9:01:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
(Els, for someone supposedly as "boring" as you are, you sure seem to nab the attention of a fair # of folks...rather than a sleepy-eyed reaction, they seem to be wide awake)


99 posted on 11/09/2007 9:12:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
Do you know what a boring fellow you are?

I guess it's better than me being stupid.

100 posted on 11/09/2007 9:13:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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