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Two Cathedrals (Oakland Cathedral nears completion)
WITL ^ | November 10, 2007 | Rocco Palmo

Posted on 11/11/2007 3:50:19 PM PST by NYer

Oakland... the final frontier.

As the Cathedral of Christ the Light rises in the Bay Area see-city, one can be forgiven if "Star Trek" comes to mind.

Acclaimed for its "ambitious" design, the 1,500-seat mother church of the 500,000-member diocese -- price tag: $190 million -- will open its doors on 25 September 2008.
Father Paul Minnihan, provost of the cathedral, said the planning team selected the date to avoid conflicts with such weekend events as weddings and quincieneras. The group also considered an evening event, but decided an afternoon would allow for the possibility of a procession to the cathedral from another venue. “Safety was a concern,” he said.

He said the planning group also “seriously weighed the reality of the members of our diocese who work, but we placed our hope in their ability to take time away from work as we do when there are significant events in our lives.”

Two other dedication-related events have been planned.

On Sunday, Sept. 14 at 2 p.m. there will be a ceremony opening the cornerstone of St. Francis de Sales Church, which was set at 21st Street and San Pablo Avenue in Oakland on Sept. 13, 1891. The church became the first cathedral of the Oakland Diocese when it was established in 1962.

The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake severely damaged the cathedral and it had to be torn down. The new cathedral at the corner of Grand Avenue and Harrison Street is its replacement.

On Sunday Nov. 2, the feast of All Souls, the mausoleum underneath the new cathedral will be dedicated at 2 p.m. At that time, the remains of Oakland’s first bishop, Floyd Begin, will be re-interred. He is currently buried at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Hayward.
...in related news, in the hometown of the Cardinal of the South, work's even further along on Houston's $61 million Co-Cathedral of the Sacred Heart, with dedication slated to take place next 2 April.
Built to provide a suitable hub for the South's largest local church, odds are that consecration duties for the 2,000-seater will likely fall to the project's visionary: the first archbishop of Texas' mother diocese, Joseph Fiorenza.

As a priest of Galveston-Houston in the '60s, Fiorenza served eight years as administrator of the new cathedral's nearby predecessor. With his successor's blessing, the retired prelate has kept principal oversight of the building effort since stepping down last year.

PHOTO 1:
John Blaustein/Oakland Catholic Voice
PHOTO 2: Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: architecture; cathedral; oakland

1 posted on 11/11/2007 3:50:20 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Now you can book your flight reservations.


2 posted on 11/11/2007 3:51:39 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Another ugly, overpriced aircraft hangar that’s about as spiritually uplifting as a Costco warehouse. The Catholic hierarchy in this country are a bunch of criminals and traitors, sorry.


3 posted on 11/11/2007 4:03:25 PM PST by Argus
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To: NYer

Ugly, ugly, ugly. I appreciate progressive architecture, and I’m not averse to even the most cutting-edge experimentation, but surely we can do better than these. The Oakland job looks like a blimp hangar; the Galveston specimen could be anything from a bank branch to a mini-mall.

A Catholic Church is not just any building. It should be the best, most beautiful building we humans are capable of building. We should stick to tried-and-true architectural styles until our culture is regenerated and capable of once again producing men of vision and good taste.

Ugly hearts = ugly buildings.


4 posted on 11/11/2007 4:10:50 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer

What a splendid name.

What a splendid site.

What a wonderfully splendid design.

I rejoice with you.

I can also worship in a home or warehouse. But I have learned to respect

Cathedrals

. . . especially good ones . . .

as soring testimonies in space and durable materials . . .

as much as anything is durable in this time/space dimension.

Love the shape and use of light.

Congratulations.

Praise God!


5 posted on 11/11/2007 4:13:28 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: NYer

Wow. That first one is especially ugly. I went to their website and read their mission statement. I hate mission statements.


6 posted on 11/11/2007 4:26:16 PM PST by samiam1972 (I'm a mommy of 4 now!!)
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To: Quix

Are you praising the first or the second one? I guess its proof that different architectural styles for Churches move different people in different ways. I’m more of a fan of the more classical (Baroque, Gothic, Romanesque), but I can see how the Cathedral of Light style could be inspiring. Doesn’t do it for me, but for others, it does.


7 posted on 11/11/2007 4:45:20 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NYer
The most beautiful cathedrial I ever was in is the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, in Washington DC.

The most beautiful, spiritual-feeling church was a little church in a small town in Pennsylvania. It had wonderful, carved Italian marble statuary and a truly unique alter and communion railing. Unfortunately, one day I passed by and found all the statues, alter, railing, even the baptisimal font strewn out front, mostly in pieces.

Oh, how sad the day that that the Catholic Church decided to replace our alters with tables and remove most of the statues. We were told it was so the priests would face the people, and to modernize the Church. I think that took so much away from the atmosphere of peace and beauty. But it also took more.

In this little town so many townspeople were truly traumatized because their grandparents, great-grandparents, and other relatives had all saved to donate money to purchase the lovely Italian marble pieces. They were all so proud of their "gifts" to the church, it was a sign of their faith to them. When those things were just tossed outside,broken and in pieces, I think some of the great love people had for the church was tossed and broken also. It was a pity.

8 posted on 11/11/2007 4:55:44 PM PST by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

Shuller’s Crystal Cathedral gets lots of cryticism

from Evangelicals who . . . in my view . . . tend

tend

toward

the spiritually haughty, self-righteous, puffed up, consider themselves super pious etc.

Then righteousness becomes worshipping in a barn.

I’m all for putting funds to helping the poor and community.

NEVERTHELESS, IF

IF

A CONGREGATION’S MEMBERS

FEEL IN THEIR HEARTS

That

THEY want to glorify God in stone, glass, wood, concrete . . .

By all means, let them do it.

All the more soaring and well lit, all the better.

##########

On the other hand, IF

it is keeping up with the Jones’ and their big edifice down the road . . . then that’s another issue and not to be encouraged, imho.

As usual, I think it’s an attitude of the heart.

But, if one is led to build a Cathedral, then I think the choice of architect is crucial and he needs to be a man of God, too, imho, or not even be in the leadership at all on the project, much less the lead architect.

my 2 cents.


9 posted on 11/11/2007 5:07:57 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

I would agree that the Architect should be a Christian. Gothic Cathedrals were considered “Prayers in Stone” in their days.


10 posted on 11/11/2007 5:12:17 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Argus; saradippity

Just because some in the Catholic hierarchy have made some mistakes, does not mean that ALL are traitors or criminals.

I don’t think we need to slam any denomination because of a few individuals.

And, please don’t worry anyway. The Pope is asking some of these bishops and Cardinals to retire early, and he is replacing them with highly orthodox individuals.


11 posted on 11/11/2007 5:24:43 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

** but I can see how the Cathedral of Light style could be inspiring.**

I would like to visit it. I bet the inside is quite beautiful bathed in the light of a sunrise or a sunset. But light is one of my things.


12 posted on 11/11/2007 5:26:31 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Argus
The Catholic hierarchy in this country are a bunch of criminals and traitors, sorry.

Agreed.

13 posted on 11/11/2007 5:31:48 PM PST by livius
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To: Salvation

I would like to visit it. I bet the inside is quite beautiful bathed in the light of a sunrise or a sunset. But light is one of my things.

= = =

Agreed.

I think light is one of God’s special things, too.

I pray that it gets to open with a chorus of angels.


14 posted on 11/11/2007 5:33:06 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: CitizenM

I think it is true that the destruction of churches was done not only by ignoring theology, but by totally ignoring all the human history that went into them.

Interestingly, since the Motu Proprio has come out and it seems that some parts of our history might come back again, there has been a positive rush in some quarters to get rid of anything from the past.

We have had a Communion rail in our Cathedral forever, and while it’s not used, nobody has ever suggested removing it - until now. The pastor suddenly thinks he has to consolidate the victories of the Vatican II crowd by destroying the church as fast as he can. He knows that he’s on the losing side and that orthodoxy will triumph, but he wants to salt the earth before he goes.


15 posted on 11/11/2007 5:36:48 PM PST by livius
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To: NYer

Houston 1, Oakland 0.


16 posted on 11/11/2007 5:38:39 PM PST by jtal
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To: Quix

I’m reminded of pictures in recent issues of “The Voice of the Martyrs,” showing the Christians in Africa and Asia worshipping in the ruins of their church buildings - which were just cinder-block boxes, anyway.

I realize it’s not a simple either/or ... beautiful buildings or beautiful souls ... but I do think it’s obvious which is more important.


18 posted on 11/12/2007 5:09:57 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: livius
Interestingly, since the Motu Proprio has come out and it seems that some parts of our history might come back again, there has been a positive rush in some quarters to get rid of anything from the past.

You nailed it.

19 posted on 11/12/2007 5:28:24 AM PST by Claud
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To: Tax-chick

QUITE SO. QUITE SO.

I’m just keenly aware of how

priceless

hope is.

And even for a poor person to be able to come however often per week to a

soaring, full-of-light

edifice TO AND TO THE GLORY OF GOD . . .

can infect with sufficient hope for the week.


20 posted on 11/12/2007 6:41:54 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

That’s a very good point.

I think a building can look like a spaceport and still be inspirational :-). I even think the Taj Mahony is cool (but don’t tell anyone I said so.)


21 posted on 11/12/2007 7:21:58 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Tax-chick

I agree, on all points.

Thx.


22 posted on 11/12/2007 8:40:09 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks for your kind words.

In a world racing toward hell in a hand basket . . . with the dark getting darker and the Light getting Lighter . . .

along with an increasing abundance of false angels of ‘light’

I say . . . let there be more edifices

THAT LIFT US SOARING IN OUR SPIRITS UP TO GOD

in as many authentic ways as possible.

This edifice is not finished.

It is an RC edifice with some features that gritch my spirit.

YET—IT’S SOARING LIGHT QUALITIES HAVE LIFTED MY SPIRIT UP TO GOD MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY.

Well done, I’d say.


23 posted on 11/12/2007 8:43:57 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: livius; CitizenM

God = Creation (Beauty, Truth, Order)

the enemy = Destruction (Chaos, Ugliness, Lies)

It’s really quite simple.


24 posted on 11/12/2007 8:46:04 AM PST by nanetteclaret ("I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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To: livius
there has been a positive rush in some quarters to get rid of anything from the past.

Certainly true in my parish -- the wreckovation of the lower church was complete just two weeks before the MP came out. Now, of course, they're working on the upper church, so Sunday Masses are in the lower church -- from which they removed the pews and replaced them with those auditorium-style chairs (some with movable kneelers in the back). So they had to fill in for Sunday Mass with gray metal folding chairs. To be reassuring, they told people they don't have to kneel! :(

25 posted on 11/12/2007 8:50:51 AM PST by maryz
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To: Quix

I’m sure the architect would be pleased to know that his building is such a blessing to you.

I’m more of a “cathedral of the outdoors” person, myself. Even listening to the trees while I watch my boys on the playground lifts my spirits.

With buildings, I tend to be thinking about how much it costs to air condition, and wondering how they clean it. The Cathedral in Tulsa had a Gothic-revival high altar, with ornate spires about 30 feet high, and I couldn’t stop thinking about spiders when I was in there.


26 posted on 11/12/2007 8:56:04 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Quix
It is an RC edifice with some features that gritch my spirit.

You shouldn't let that bother you. You'll always be in a gritch, if you can't just accept that people believe different things ... just as people have different tastes in language, music, and architecture.

27 posted on 11/12/2007 8:57:41 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: maryz

Yes, this “you don’t have to kneel” thing is a big part of the Spirit of VatII liturgics. What really enrages me is when they say the Orthodox don’t kneel. The Orthodox do indeed kneel at certain points in the liturgy (in fact, they do more than kneel - they press their foreheads to the floor). What the Orthodox DON’T do, however, is sit.

By contast, sitting is really mostly what Vatican II liturgical practice prescribes. And then occasionally standing defiantly to show God that He’s no better than you are and you’re not impressed by Transubstantiation.


28 posted on 11/12/2007 9:00:52 AM PST by livius
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To: Salvation

I hope you’re right. And if Benedict is doing that, I wish he’d hurry up. We’re rapidly sliding back into paganism, even atheism. It’s appalling. But it just infuriates me to see so much money wasted on ugly buildings that depress the faithful. It’s like it’s intentional.


29 posted on 11/12/2007 9:10:49 AM PST by Argus
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To: Tax-chick

Agree about the outdoors.

I don’t go looking for the gritch differences and lay them aside when the arise in such situations.

CHRIST CRUCIFIED AND RISEN AND COMING AGAIN

certainly the PRIORITY.

BLESS YOU AND YOURS.


30 posted on 11/12/2007 9:19:29 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

And the same back atcha! I’ll pray for you while I’m getting my baby to bed, and then running. You’ve seemed rather down, lately.


31 posted on 11/12/2007 9:21:13 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Tax-chick

Have been down lately.

Thanks tons for the prayers am now better.

Since last Monday evening, cleaning up my things at the end of class . . .

have been sicker than I’ve been in years and years.

Praise God for His mercies and the loving prayers of folks like you. Am now much better.

God’s richest abundance in all He would bless you most with to you and yours.

Thanks big.


32 posted on 11/12/2007 7:43:31 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Praise God that you are feeling better! It’s been a difficult fall for many, I think.


33 posted on 11/13/2007 4:17:12 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, PTL.

Challenging times, it seems.

Thx.


34 posted on 11/13/2007 7:59:25 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: NYer

So for 1/3 the price of the Oakland monstrosity, Houston is getting a Cathedral that actually looks like a Church.

Confirming once again that traditional construction is less expensive than modernist architecture.


35 posted on 11/13/2007 9:12:18 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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