The congregation applauds as Jennette Rude (center) is ordained at Resurrection Lutheran Church in Chicago.
Posted on 11/18/2007 12:08:26 PM PST by SmithL
Sitting in sight of her father and grandfather, both Lutheran ministers, Jen Rude on Saturday became the first ordained lesbian pastor since the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America urged bishops to not penalize congregations who violate the celibacy requirement for gay clergy.
Several of the more than 100 congregants present wept as the 27-year-old stood before them, a beaming smile drawn across her face.
Under church policy, homosexual ministers are required to make a vow of celibacy before they can be ordained. But heterosexual ministers are not, and Rude, who is not in a relationship, refused to make that vow because she considers the policy discriminatory.
"We all realized that sexual orientation has nothing to do with how well a person can minister a congregation," said Kathy Young, a member of the Resurrection Lutheran Church in Lakeview, where the ordination was held.
Young was absolute about the decision to violate church policy by ordaining Rude: "This is who we are and this is what we do."
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Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?
Now that's far beyond Rude...
The fact she’s light in the loafers isn’t even relevant.
Women are forbidden from being ordained per scripture.
Was there ever any doubt that they would cave?
Calling that which is Evil Good is what it is all about.
And making the call in the name of God is worst of all.
Doesn't refusal to take an oath not to engage in sinful activity reflect on how well a person can minister to a Christian congregation?
She must believe in what one writer called "iPod" theology - you just download the parts you like and agree with, and disregard the rest...like the qualifications for a pastor.
Because "SIN is IN".
Mainline Protestantism, except maybe for the Baptists, is becoming morally bankrupt.
The Catholics talk a good game, but then can't, or wont, weed out the perverts.
I believe we are in "the great falling away".
Europe, the cradle of Christianity, is fast becoming "post-christian",
and it looks like we're right behind them.
The Baptists certainly have held there own but I wouldn't say they aren't heading there. Gay couples trigger debate at church (Southern Baptist - Fort Worth)
Don't understand why there's a "debate".
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Of course, I could be wrong, and have been many times, but this story seems very much like so many other stories appearing in the secondary headlines of newspapers and tv news broadcasts. If there is such a thing as ‘handwriting on the wall,’ these stories might be it. Christianity, as most of us have known it, looks to be on the way out. Certainly, as basic principles and beliefs are cast aside for ‘innovations,’ the faith, itself, undergoes serious changes. Will the old believers accept those changes? Not likely. Will newcomers accept them? Maybe, but what they will be accepting will be something other than what it once was.
Lutheran (ELCA) Ping!
Compounded to her own blasphemous sin is the blasphemies that her congregation are now exposed to, and part of.
She’s a ship sinking to hell, and will drag down the souls of her “followers” with her.
And what liturgical color is yelloworangeredgreen?
If this story has a happy ending, it’s ‘round the bend where I can’t see it.
Fruitcake season?
Not in the church of moral relativism.
Perhaps Azam Ahmed is a muslim fifth columnist, licking his chops over the appearent downfall of "mainstream" Christianity, and lusting for the establishment of the islamic Emirate of Amrika!!!!
As for the "abomination of desecration", a good candidate is the ELCA's feminazi liturgy!!
The gates of Hell will NOT prevail over the Church of Christ, come what may!!!!
Amen.....
EWWW!
How the godless fool themselves!
An “abomination” for a church leader.
She certainly is NO ambassador for Christ.
Perhaps for Satan.
Isn’t calling evil - good; and calling good - evil ; a sin against the Holy Spirit?
It is one organization not worth anyone true believer's energy.
May I suggest that it is time to stop trying to reform the elca and instead speed it on its way. The quicker "this church" passes into history the better. Lutherans and Lutheranism will survive.
“But some most worthless persons are in the habit of carrying about the name [of Jesus Christ] in wicked guile, while yet they practise things unworthy of God, and hold opinions contrary to the doctrine of Christ, to their own destruction, and that of those who give credit to them, whom you must avoid as ye would wild beasts. For “the righteous man who avoids them is saved for ever; but the destruction of the ungodly is sudden, and a subject of rejoicing.” For “they are dumb dogs, that cannot bark,” raving mad, and biting secretly, against whom ye must be on your guard, since they labour under an incurable disease.”
+Ignatius of Antioch Letter to the Ephesians Chap. VII
Good advice there.
Idiots like her need to be forced to sit down and prove they can read and comprehend actual sentences.
Yes, that is good advice from St. Ignatius. In that regard, it is really sad that this lesbian’s father and even grandfather were at the bogus “ordination”, cheering her on.
It is a real mystery to me that ELCA liberals who were around 10-20 years ago, especially in our once-great synod, canot see that their church body has declined precipitously—spritually, intellectually, and morally—from what it once was. (The fall in membership seems to be a “lagging indicator”, but that’s happening, too.) Once they realize the tragic fall of the ELCA, they might also realize that it is the liberals and their programs that are at fault. But they would NEVER admit that.
Finally, I am dismayed that there is that muslim reporter around, to spy out the troubles of US Christianity, and probably to gloat over them. Lord have mercy!!!!
Unless they’re now going redefine THAT as not being considered “having sex”. What Clinton did for you-know-whats, she could do for you-know-what.
We have sideswiped another iceberg. Hit other ones in the field when Anita Hill was "ordained" in St. Paul MN and when Jeff Johnson underwent a similar ceremony in CA.
As for the handbasket...
a handbasket is "inclusive" and embraces "diversity".
That is the ultimate value of the pseudogospel now being proselytized.
[Bishop] Miller did not stand in the way of the ordination but also did not attend the ceremony. He said he believes the celibacy rule should be lifted, but also believes bishops should follow the rule of the church.
"I have happily come to the place of following the wise counsel of the church in being restrained," he said. "It takes away the problem of having to pit matters of personal opinion against the official boundaries of my office at this point in time. Of course that's a more pleasant situation to be in for me."
Miller's predecessor, Rev. Paul Landahl, attended Saturday's ordination. Under Landahl's leadership, gay clergy in relationships were allowed to serve in Chicago, as long as they were in consultation with the bishop. Landahl, who serves as acting director of candidacy for Chicago's Lutheran School of Theology, said the seminary's board recently approved an unprecedented welcoming statement affirming inclusion.
Yes, +Ignatius is quite correct in his description “they are dumb dogs, that cannot bark”
And they provide yet more reason for my tagline.
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Blessed Martin of Erfurt wrote:
Lord, keep us steadfast in thy word
Defeat the mur'drous Turk....
LBW # 230, but in gentler language.
Ah, Thank you, I had almost forgotten,
Lord, keep us steadfast in Thy Word;
Curb those who fain by craft and sword
Would wrest the Kingdom from Thy Son
And set at naught all He hath done.
Lord Jesus Christ, Thy pow'r make known,
For Thou art Lord of lords alone;
Defend Thy Christendom that we
May evermore sing praise to Thee.
O Comforter of priceless worth,
Send peace and unity on earth.
Support us in our final strife
And lead us out of death to life.
1st Published in: Geistliche Lieder
Town: Wittenberg, 1543
As beautiful as I remembered..
Dankeschön!
Wow? Well, she sure has some balls...
Ick. The commandment says “Thou shalt not commit adultery” (and Christ added, or anything like unto it.) Nowhere do I read in the Bible where it says “except if you are Adam and Steve or 2 women.” Christ taught chastity and celibacy for those not married regardless of sexual orientation.
Sexual "orientation" may or may not disqualify one from the ministry but the routine commission of aberrant sexual *acts* surely does.This is just more proof that in many denominations the inmates are running the asylum.
Another translation: “Lord, Keep us Steadfast in thy Word/And curb the Turks’ and papists’ sword.”
Nowadays, it might be “ curb the Turks’ and feminists’ sword.” Or, Honorary Serb’s tetrad of enemies: New World Order, muslims, feminists, and “gays”, with the REAL enemy, Satan, lurking behind the lot of them!!!!
Nowadays, even my very own ELCA congregation invites Muhammadans into the building, to conduct da’wa. The deceitful muslims at the same time practice taqqia (”holy” lying to advance islamic conquest), and define da’wa as “education about islam”. Bur what it REALLY means is islamic “evangelism”, or “invitiation” to islam!!!! The Muhammadans have been invited both to address an adult forum, and—during our Annual Meeting today—our youth group!!!!
Ironically, the annual meeting included a discussion on policies for a “safe church”. Should not a “safe church” include not only protection against sexual abuse, but also against spiritual abuse by Muhammadan propagandists, among others? But in our Blue State, to suggest that is “bigotry”!
Sometimes I think that we in the US are actually leading the way; or more precisely, the "Blue state" areas of the US are leading the way.
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In a few years, the ELCA will probably be only a shadow of its present self, made up of apostate congregations, worshiping at the altar of immorality.
From the ashes, a new and stronger Lutheran Synod will emerge, based on the Gospel and unafraid to take a stand.
a. She's a lesbian, not a woman. Men make love to wimmin....ergo?
b. Whatsamatter? You don't believe in living, breathing scripture?
/sarc
Emanating Penumbras and all that. ;-)
Judaism is looking better and better. Frankly I think the Christian religion is dying, the only insitution related to it I can see still existing in a hundred years is the catholic church. Garbage like this is one of many reasons I left my church.
Romans 1:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
There is also the Orthodox Church.
Isn’t that called the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod?
We’re to flee false teaching. If you’re remaining in an ELCA congregation to fight the ELCA politicapostates, reconsider it. I believe Luther himself described what we’re seeing today as “the whore church of Satan”. Is everyone here aware that ELCA employee health insurance provides abortion on demand up to 22 weeks?
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