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Chuck Smith’s Prophetic Pronouncements Under the Microscope
American Vision ^ | 11/19/2007 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 11/19/2007 9:57:14 AM PST by topcat54

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1 posted on 11/19/2007 9:57:15 AM PST by topcat54
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; nobdysfool; jkl1122; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Reformed Eschatology Ping List (REPL)

"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)

2 posted on 11/19/2007 9:57:49 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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What??? Nothing on re-instituting animal sacrifices during the Millennium? I’m so disappointed.
3 posted on 11/19/2007 10:01:28 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: topcat54

In the 70’s and part of the 80’s, the slogan, “Jesus is coming soon” was painted on the east side of one of their buildings. I often wondered why they painted over it.


4 posted on 11/19/2007 10:18:45 AM PST by BigFinn
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To: topcat54
Page mentioned in the article from Smith's book Future Survival.


6 posted on 11/19/2007 10:25:02 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54

Politics makes lousy theology.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 10:27:47 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; Lord_Calvinus; 1000 silverlings; Lee N. Field; tabsternager; wmfights; ...
I found it ironic that LaHaye would write that Smith's teaching is "true to the Scripture" on the subject of prophecy when Smith has been so wrong on the subject for more than 30 years.

HISTORY ERASER BUTTON

8 posted on 11/19/2007 10:33:50 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Blogger; BigFinn
"In the 70’s and part of the 80’s, the slogan, “Jesus is coming soon” was painted on the east side of one of their buildings. I often wondered why they painted over it."

They shouldn’t have.

I think it's the "soon" part that got many of them in trouble. Same today. The temple's gonna be built real soon now and Messiah will (re)appear.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 10:33:56 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54

LOL. Only if it’s decaf.


10 posted on 11/19/2007 10:36:59 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

remind me which verse the Dispies use to claim the “budding” happened with the secular apostate nation now occupying Jerusalem.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 10:53:20 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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Soon isn’t an issue. It is soon. Observing the times, it is soon. Soon could be 100 years. Soon could be tomorrow. We should always be ready and watching.

On June 25th, 2008 at 12:00 AM. That’s a problem.


12 posted on 11/19/2007 11:10:05 AM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Lord_Calvinus

Why not ask a “dispie” yourself?


13 posted on 11/19/2007 11:11:00 AM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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lol, can we all say in unison, “ker-ching ker-ching”, let the money roll on in


14 posted on 11/19/2007 11:17:26 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: topcat54

read later


15 posted on 11/19/2007 11:25:11 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Soon isn’t an issue. It is soon. Observing the times, it is soon. Soon could be 100 years. Soon could be tomorrow. We should always be ready and watching.

You forgot the obligatory reference to 2 Peter 3:8.

The word "soon" implies a chronology that is unknowable. To say that we do not know when Jesus will return but it must be "soon" is both illogical and unbiblical.

I think you are confusing "soon" with "immanent". The Church has always believed in the imminent second coming, but not something that would necessarily happen soon.

16 posted on 11/19/2007 11:36:46 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: Lord_Calvinus
remind me which verse the Dispies use to claim the “budding” happened with the secular apostate nation now occupying Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:32ff, but not Luke 21:29ff. The second passage undermines greatly the interpretation of the "fig tree" as last days Israel.

17 posted on 11/19/2007 11:39:17 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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18 posted on 11/19/2007 12:00:12 PM PST by Gamecock (Gamecock: Declared anathema by the Council of Trent!)
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To: topcat54

Soon implies just that, soon. And it isn’t an unknowable chronology. It is known to the Father. By His standards, it is soon. And, by our standards it is imminent, whether that be tomorrow or 100 years from now.


19 posted on 11/19/2007 12:43:59 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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***Matthew 24:32ff, but not Luke 21:29ff. The second passage undermines greatly the interpretation of the “fig tree” as last days Israel.***

Thanks, topcat. I wonder what the Dispies are going to do when their new dating from 1967 falls apart as well? Time is just tick tick tickin’ away on that one.


20 posted on 11/19/2007 12:46:44 PM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Blogger; BigFinn; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Lord_Calvinus; tabsternager; Lee N. Field
Soon implies just that, soon. And it isn’t an unknowable chronology. It is known to the Father. By His standards, it is soon. And, by our standards it is imminent, whether that be tomorrow or 100 years from now.

Wait a second (literally). Didn‘t you say earlier, "Observing the times, it is soon"?

What signs are you observing that it could be another 100 years away?

Could be a 1000 or 10,000 years?

21 posted on 11/19/2007 12:55:20 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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Thanks, topcat. I wonder what the Dispies are going to do when their new dating from 1967 falls apart as well? Time is just tick tick tickin’ away on that one.

I hear uber-dispie Jack Van Impe has a new date of 2012 based on the supposed end of the Incan calendar. One might legitimately wonder what "sign" that fits into?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

22 posted on 11/19/2007 1:19:03 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: Blogger
Sounds like you are not the only one confused about the word "soon".

"This book [The Final Act] is a relevant reminder for all believers to be ready for the soon return of Jesus Christ." -- Greg Laurie

"Soon" seems to be a throw-away word in that sentence.

23 posted on 11/19/2007 1:25:06 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54
"immanent" and "imminent" are two different words. They aren't synonyms.

I hear uber-dispie Jack Van Impe has a new date of 2012 based on the supposed end of the Incan calendar.

Maybe Jack's decided the BoM makes sense after all, which would mean the Incan calendar is really "Biblical," in a manner of speaking, since the Incans were really Israelites ... you get the picture.

24 posted on 11/19/2007 1:41:06 PM PST by Campion
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To: topcat54

The “Christian” attitude exhibited by non-dispensationalists on these threads is so underwhelming.

As is the use of straw men like Van Impe to prove points.


25 posted on 11/19/2007 1:47:32 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Campion
"immanent" and "imminent" are two different words. They aren't synonyms.

Thank you for your correction. I meant "immanent".

26 posted on 11/19/2007 1:49:23 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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As is the use of straw men like Van Impe to prove points.

How is it a straw man? Van Impe’s a real dispensationalist with impeccable credentials among the faithful. He’s merely reading the signs of the times just as he has been taught to do by all the faithful dispensationalist fathers and coming up with a date. No other dispensationalist is really in a position to say he’s wrong, at least not until January 2013.

It worked for Hal Lindsey and Chuck Smith. And they are both out there still selling their trinkets to the masses.

That’s not a straw man. They use the same interpretive principles to arrive as their conclusions as you do. No?

27 posted on 11/19/2007 1:55:37 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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"I hear uber-dispie Jack Van Impe has a new date of 2012 based on the supposed end of the Incan calendar."

Are you sure you're not referring to the Mayan calendar which says the world ends on 12-21-2012?

28 posted on 11/19/2007 2:02:09 PM PST by joebuck
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Soon isn’t an issue. It is soon. Observing the times, it is soon. Soon could be 100 years. Soon could be tomorrow. We should always be ready and watching.

On June 25th, 2008 at 12:00 AM. That’s a problem.

Shavuot on June 9th, 2008 would be a better date.

29 posted on 11/19/2007 2:09:28 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Blogger
The “Christian” attitude exhibited by non-dispensationalists on these threads is so underwhelming.

Kind of a one sided assessment, eh?

As is the use of straw men like Van Impe to prove points.

Van Impe is "low hanging fruit". In what way is he a straw man?

30 posted on 11/19/2007 2:13:41 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: XeniaSt
Or June 15th ,2008 depending how you reckon.
shalom b'shem Yah'shua

31 posted on 11/19/2007 2:19:01 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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Are you sure you're not referring to the Mayan calendar which says the world ends on 12-21-2012?

Jack answers your question on YouTube. Doesn't mention the Mayans, only the Incas and Aztecs. Jack's offers a titillating response, just enough to get the juices of the faithful flowing.

Could it be? We report, you decide.

32 posted on 11/19/2007 2:21:54 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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Shavuot on June 9th, 2008 would be a better date.

Better date for what and why?

33 posted on 11/19/2007 2:23:11 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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"Jack answers your question on YouTube. Doesn't mention the Mayans, only the Incas and Aztecs."

Then Jack needs to do a little more research. The calendar in question is the Mayan calendar. Keep this in mind when deciding whether to take anything he says seriously.

34 posted on 11/19/2007 2:24:34 PM PST by joebuck
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Maybe they’ll find the Mayan calendar that starts in 2013. The stones are only so big.


35 posted on 11/19/2007 2:30:51 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: joebuck
Keep this in mind when deciding whether to take anything he says seriously.

Oh, don't worry. I doubt topcat takes JvI seriously as anything but a bad example.

36 posted on 11/19/2007 2:41:50 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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***The “Christian” attitude exhibited by non-dispensationalists on these threads is so underwhelming.

As is the use of straw men like Van Impe to prove points.***

Did I miss where he was declared a heretic by Dispensationalists? I’m sorry that he is an obvious embarrassment to Dispensationalists.


37 posted on 11/19/2007 2:44:18 PM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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JVI has nice hair.


38 posted on 11/19/2007 2:44:41 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Lord_Calvinus

I would call him a heretic, and I’m a dispensationalist.


39 posted on 11/19/2007 3:06:25 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Lee N. Field

Not a one-sided assessment. I have experienced nothing but the most hateful vitriol from non-dispensationalists on these threads as to rightfully put the quotations around “Christian.” It isn’t Christian. It is demonic. Even if we have missed it on our eschatology, which I do not believe we have, it is not an excuse for the level of rhetoric exhibited on these threads. I can only compare it to the CREVO threads, and frankly, I think some of the lost folks on those threads are more civil than some of the folks who no matter what you say want to demonize you on these threads.

As to Van Impe, he is not low hanging fruit any more than Charles Taze Russell would be. Van Impe has stepped well beyond where he should have scripturally and most well-informed dispensationalists would tell you that. Of course, that matters not to this crowd. But even Rapture Ready lists him as a bad apple.
http://raptureready.com/who/rap41.html


40 posted on 11/19/2007 3:12:12 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Blogger
I have experienced nothing but the most hateful vitriol from non-dispensationalists

And dispensationalists in recent threads are not guilty of same?

41 posted on 11/19/2007 3:24:52 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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I haven’t followed the recent threads, so I couldn’t say. But by the third post on this thread, nastiness had already started. The thread itself, judging from whom it was posted, was posted for the very reason of mocking dispensationalists. As such, I have chosen to say “no thanks” to the majority of such threads recently.


42 posted on 11/19/2007 3:33:51 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Blogger
I haven’t followed the recent threads, so I couldn’t say. But by the third post on this thread, nastiness had already started. The thread itself, judging from whom it was posted, was posted for the very reason of mocking dispensationalists. As such, I have chosen to say “no thanks” to the majority of such threads recently.

Join me in prayer that the preterists discover and acquire the lovingkindness of Yah'shua

43 posted on 11/19/2007 3:36:18 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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But by the third post on this thread, nastiness had already started.

Probably because the current thread is following hard on the heels of this one. 1400 posts and climbing.

44 posted on 11/19/2007 4:04:11 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Alex Murphy

I am all the time offering burnt sacrifices of chicken and ribs to the family on my gas BBQ. Does that count?


45 posted on 11/19/2007 4:07:29 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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I am all the time offering burnt sacrifices of chicken and ribs to the family on my gas BBQ. Does that count?

A gas BBQ? You heathen!

46 posted on 11/19/2007 4:13:18 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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But by the third post on this thread, nastiness had already started.

That third post would be mine. Please ping me if you're going to talk about me.

The thread itself, judging from whom it was posted, was posted for the very reason of mocking dispensationalists. As such, I have chosen to say “no thanks” to the majority of such threads recently.

And ping topcat54 when you talk about him, too.

47 posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:01 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54
lol, can we all say in unison, “ker-ching ker-ching”, let the money roll on in

And we can all say "Amen" to that. People who make such statement and then prove to be wrong used to be stoned. Now they're simply allowed to re-edit their material and people continue to buy.

48 posted on 11/19/2007 4:42:58 PM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I would repent, but it makes the job so much easier :>) Just think how much more efficient the Hebrews would have been if THEY had gas!


49 posted on 11/19/2007 4:56:22 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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Ping. Happy?


50 posted on 11/19/2007 5:22:17 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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