Skip to comments.**Rick Warren, Evangelicals, Invite Muslims to Love God Together**
Posted on 11/24/2007 6:17:27 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02
A Slice alert today as the Christian Post reports this morning that Rick Warren, Leith Anderson, the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, Bill Hybels and other evangelicals have signed a document urging Muslims to love God together with them and to find peace between the two religions. This is where it has all been heading, folks. Youve been warned for a long time now that this new spirituality is coming. Heres a quote from the article:
Christian leaders urged for an interfaith dialogue that moves beyond polite ecumenical talks between selected leaders. Instead, leaders of both faiths should hold dialogues to build relations that will reshape the two communities to genuinely reflect our common love for God and for one another, the Christian letter stated.Given the deep fissures in the relations between Christians and Muslims today, the task before us is daunting. And the stakes are great. The future of the world depends on our ability as Christians and Muslims to live together in peace, the letter added. If we fail to make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony you correctly remind us that our eternal souls are at stake as well.
The letters main emphasis is the absolutely central commonality between both religions: love of God and love of neighbor.
Other signers of the letter include Miroslav Volf, founder and director of the Yale Center for Faith and Culture; Dr. Martin Accad, academic dean of the Arab Baptist Theological Seminary (Lebanon); Robert E. Cooley, president emeritus of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary; Harvey Cox, Hollis professor of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School; and Bill Hybels, founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church.
The letter includes an apology to the Muslims for various wrongs that Christians have done them.
In the Christian response, Muslims have been asked to forgive Christians for their past sins such as the Crusades and excesses of the war on terrors as taught by Jesus Christ who said to First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out your neighbors eye (Matthew 7:5).
full text of letter link: http://www.yale.edu/faith/abou-commonword.htm
How about Muslims turning away from worshiping the Deceiver, the Father of Lies, Satan, and instead turn towards the One True God? Would that be such a hard request to make?
These people are working on completely destroying Christianity! They are remaking the recipe - taking out a little bit of this and adding a little bit of that - Christians need to wake up to this and start fighting back. This sitting back and silently letting Christianity be eroded on a daily basis is wrong & we will have to answer to God for it.
ducklings that leave their mother always get eaten by snakes.
THAT IS BS IN THE EXTREME! The absolutely central tenet of the Muslim religion is waging war/killing infidels until all are dead or converted at the point of a sword.
This letter attempts to find common ground where, in fact, none can exist except that of a Christian serving his or her neighbor, and evangelizing them. Unfortunately the letter goes beyond that, and asserts common purpose between Christians and Muslims. This is a sewrious error, and I would hope that the home churches of these signees would hold them accountable.
“The future of the world depends on our ability as Christians and Muslims to live together in peace”
No it doesn’t. God alone knows the future, and does not depend on the actions of men. We must be faithful to his word, come what may.
Satan and Jesus living together in perfect harmony.....brain dead minister alert..
The same for Nancy Pelosi.
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(Can't help but wonder how this ties in with Warren's membership on The Council of Foreign Relations...)
This is valuing temporary safety over and above eternal security. It is fearing man (the Muslim ones) more than God (the God of the Bible, and his name ain't "allah").
It seems to me the only god Rick Warren worships is himself.....
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
By all means, preach to these folks -- but do not expect - nor desire - union with darkness.
Rick Warren - you are losing the young Christians faster than you can find fifty uses of the word “purpose” in any given saddleback sermon or article on pastors.com.
On Terrorism from my 14 yr old daughter (vanity)
This is where an incomplete/incorrect understanding of the TRUE GOSPEL gets you. One world church.
For Rick Warren? YUP! He is what John Macarthur's book "ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL" is all about. Him and people like Joel (self)Esteem/Osteen.
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All believers need to educate themselves about the heresies of the Emerging Church Movement, Contemplative Spirituality, and the Purpose-Driven Movement. Beware, do not let yourself be deceived by these heresies!
Great post by your kid - it’s obvious her parents take seriously the command to be responsible for the education of their children, rather than trusting them to the “experts”.
On a related issue: I ordered a “promotional kit” for the recent International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church from http://www.opendoorsusa.org/ and one of the videos showed Muslims praying to Allah with a voice over proclaiming that they were crying out to God 5 times day and He was answering by bringing them to Christ.
I ‘bout puked. Wrote and asked them about it. They ‘splained their intentions, which were sound, etc. but the promo material contained this bit with a common lie that falls from the lips of our President, among others.
My favorite charity is http://www.bibleleague.org/ anyways :-)
GOOD LORD’S DAY SISTER,
I PRAY YOU AND YOURS ARE WELL.
THANKYOU FOR YOUR POST AND PRAISE THE LORD FOR YOUR DAUGHTER.
IF YOU HAVE NOT READ MACARTHURS’,”TRUTH WARS” PUT IT ON YOUR SOON TO BE READ LIST,GREAT FOLLOW UP TO ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL!
Exactly. There is very little “common ground” to be found between true Christians and Muslims. I suppose we both oppose abortion and pornography, but there’s a whole world of other issues on which we are completely at opposite ends. Spiritually there is no common ground at all.
Watch this. It is long and if you have time you should listen and understand what this Emergent/Purpose Driven movement is all about.
I agree. It is sweeping through our churches and it so dangerous. The church I went to for over 35 years of which I loved is now fallen into that Purpose Driven/Emergent movement and it makes me so sad. We had to leave it behind. So many people we knew were being decieved and don’t realize it. Thankfully I could see right through the BS when the church stopped teaching the Bible and started teaching some other completely different and made up! And people bought into it. We got out and are now still looking for a church to call home.
I’m sorry to hear about your church! So when they stopped preaching from the Bible, what did they preach? Thank God you saw through it and were not deceived! It’s very sad, though. I hope you find a good church soon, or are able to do Bible studies with other believers. :-)
it was all watered down crap. Basically the church has to decided their new thing is to as the church serve in ministry outside of the church by doing things like service projects where they go and help build a house in a poor neighborhood for a homeless mother and kids or something bigger, or smaller like that. But you have to understand that is a wonderful thing and I’m so for that, but that is it. That it all the pastor teaches on every Sunday. It is the same sermon over and over about how we should give our money and time to service till it feels good. He says that is what the great commission is about. I agree that the great commission is about service to others and to love others, but that is all he says it is about. He leaves out that the great commission is to actually tell others about Christ. He says that the only way to tell others about Christ is to serve.
The church no longer speaks about sin, repentance, nor teaches people about how to tell others about Christ. They have exchanged that for a watered down feel good Let’s all go serve together and have peace on earth crap!
My pastor loves Rick Warren and feels how the church can contribute to making a difference is to serve others, not telling people verbally about Christ. There is no Bible teaching.
The funny thing is that they have had to stop a popular children’s ministry in the church because they didn’t have enough volunteers and workers to keep the program going. WHY? Because the pastor is too busy trying to get the church to serve outside of the church, and not teaching the people the Bible, which is what gets people to serve in the first place.
Telling people to serve doesn’t get them to serve, feeding them the word does.
The church isn’t growing and is in massive debt. It will only be a matter of time before it collapses. It is a large church, almost mega church in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area, but the numbers are getting smaller each and every Sunday.
Check on the churches link! I think what you will see is exactly what I’m trying to say. It is no longer a church that teaches how to know Christ and to make Him known, it is a church that teaches only about how to serving and giving. Typical emergent and purpose driven teaching style.
Good book....I am almost finished with reading Truth War and I have Ashamed Of The Gospel next on my coffee table.
I like MacArthur but I was listening last week and he seemed to think or imply that Christians should not wear bikini’s. I found that kind of odd. Does he also think Christian men should wear a shirt when they jump in the pool?
Thank you for your response. Muslims are, in fact, our spiritual enemies. We ought to evangelize them, be kind to them; but assert common cause with them? Never! And the churches represented here ought to hold their pastors to ministers to account.
This article ought to stay bumped!
No person is our "spiritual enemy." That's the whole point of Eph. 6:12 ("For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.")
Our enemies are those who blind the Muslims, making them think that Christianity is a corruption of the truth of Islam.
There are a number of good churches in the Metroplex, and even more that are better than your current church sounds. If you want to freepmail me your current church, or what part of the metroplex would be convenient, and I’ll be happy to come up with a few suggestions that you could try.
I've only watched about 35 minutes of it so far, but it's very good. The speaker makes a lot of sense. He articulates (with scriptural references) much of what I feel when I hear what Warren teaches. The whole "felt needs" and "seeker sensitive" movement is appalling.
I live in Coppell, Texas. The church I was going to was Irving Bible Church. They have blown their chance of being a good church. It all started when they got their new big sanctuary and suddenly the church that made that new sanctuary was no more.
OK. Let me cast about as to what might be a fit for you. Watermark and Bent Tree are the first two to come to mind, although both are a bit east of Coppell, but let me do a little checking first to see what their current status is.
A couple of questions (and again, feel free to take it to FReep mail if you don’t want to spread it on an open forum.
Hard core dispensationalist or more broadly evangelical?
Contemporary, traditional or blended worship?
I am more broadly evangelical and I like more of a contemporary worship.
Watermark is to far for me.
I find it kind of odd that you would find that kind of odd.
Lots of good comments here.
Rick W: Are you listening???
Rich needs to study the Bible. He missed a few pages.
Scratch Bent Tree from the list - they are on the Purpose driven database as having done ‘40 days of community - full church wide. http://www.purposedriven.com/en-US/40DayCampaigns/PDCampaignChurchFinder.htm
They also may be a bit far for you. (If not, Prestonwood Baptist is in the same neighborhood, and they are big enough to have programs for everyone.)
Metrocrest Presbyterian is a little west of those two. http://www.metrocrestchurch.org/pages/worship.htm
For Baptists, I’d look for SBoT congregations
For Presbyterians, PCA:
I’m not as familiar with Bible churches in that part of town - most of the Bible churches that come to mind are well to the east of you.
I trust that you had a good Thanksgiving.
As for Warren, nothing suprises me. What we see more and more are the natural progressions of his foundational false teachings and unbiblical associations.
This is a little naive. The concept of love is not prominent in the Islamic faith, nor should it be considering the theology of Islam. How can a Moslem love God?
Firstly, there is no belief in the redemption of sinful man by a loving, merciful God at the expense of His own blood and suffering. This is the basis of Christian love and gratitude; that Christ died for us. Absent this and one is left with a powerful, omnipotent being who should be ....yes.......feared, respected, obeyed etc etc. All of the above. But "loved"? That's a stretch.
In fact, I think that Islam is what results when love and mercy is removed from religion. All that is left is a rigid series of dictates which must be obeyed on pain of death and which can be spread by whatever means necessary.
Well, when you are theologically liberal, i.e. Arminian, your theology eventually leads to this kind of thing. You can trace this back through his Purpose Driven methods back square to his theology.
God loves the whole human race and wants to save them all. ~ Arminianism.
When men never have the chance to receive the gospel, God uses a different standard.
Therefore, Muslims loving Allah must be loving God and we should embrace them as brothers.
Don’t get me wrong here, we share a common brotherhood in humanity with all men and we should work to live in peace, but to do so by compromising the gospel?!?! Amazing! Let’s not follow the sin of Judas.
thanks for trying. HONEstly, we don’t need to go to a big church. We are looking for a real Bible teaching church in our community and one of these days we will find it.
I geuss I’ve never heard any preacher say christian women should not wear bikini’s. Seems a little strange. But hey I feel like I live in a parallel universe pretty much everyday anymore. LOL!
How old are you and what planet have you been living on?
I dare say that most Bible-centered preachers would strongly suggest that wearing a bikini in public and following the Biblical command to dress modestly (1 Tim 2:9)are not reconcilable.
I would expect nothing less from John MacArthur.
Good responses on this thread. If nonsense like this does not show these "Christian leaders" for the spiritual frauds they are, I don't know what will. How they can maintain their power base in American society, through the funding of the naive and gullible who support them, should be even more frightening as to the state of what is understood as contemporary Evangelical Christianity.
But then, this is the same Rick Warren who was palling around with dictator Bashar Assad.
"...It's time we recognized the nature of the conflict. It's total war and we are all involved. Nobody on our side is exempted because of age, gender, or handicap. The Islamofacists have stolen childhood from the world." [FReeper Retief]
"...That the totalitarian force pitted against freedom wears a religious makes this civil war among mankind all the more difficult to engage. Loving freedom as we do, it seems reprehensible to deliberate against a religion. But this is no ordinary religion as it demands absolute obedience of all to their religion at the cost of freedom itself." [FReeper Backtothestreets]
Yep, that will work. Ya know, Mooselimbs are such peace loving people and all. sarc/
Commonality...love of God and love of neighbor
Since when do Muslims worship the Lord Jesus Christ as God? Mr Warren must be inviting them to pray to some other entity.
Since when do they respect their neighbors? The Koran instructs them to butcher neighbors who do not kowtow to the moon god.