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What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Baptism
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Posted on 12/09/2007 10:43:21 AM PST by Salvation

What You Need to Know: Baptism

Baptism is one of the seven sacraments and the first of the sacraments of initiation into the life of Christ and His Church. Like all the sacraments, it can be considered from a wide variety of angles: How it was instituted, how it is celebrated and by whom, what it accomplishes, what it demands of us, and so on.

Our Lord Himself stressed the importance of baptism, commissioning his disciples to go out to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19). The least understood aspect of this baptism is probably the nature of baptismal grace, and what it accomplishes. The Catechism contains a clear and well-organized treatment of this very question.

Those who come to Faith as adults naturally wish to be baptized, but there has been a tendency in our own day to undervalue and even postpone infant baptism, which is also frowned upon by some Protestants. For this reason, we are wise to revisit the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's statement on this important topic in 1980.

Finally, since baptism is so obviously the ordinary means by which we are claimed for God, the question of whether salvation is possible for unbaptized infants is of great concern. At the request of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, the Vatican's International Theological Commission has recently issued a thorough examination of this difficult question.

If you only have time to look at three things, LOOK AT THESE.

  1. The Catechism on the Grace of Baptism
  2. Instruction on Infant Baptism
  3. The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die without Being Baptized
And if you've got more time...

The Catechism of the Catholic Church devotes one of its four major parts to “The Celebration of the Christian Mystery”, which contains two major sections on “The Sacramental Economy” and “The Seven Sacraments of the Church”. All the various aspects of baptism are succinctly covered in the latter section, in the chapter on “The Sacraments of Initiation”, under the article entitled The Sacrament of Baptism.



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The Grace of Baptism

Catechism

VII. THE GRACE OF BAPTISM

1262 The different effects of Baptism are signified by the perceptible elements of the sacramental rite. Immersion in water symbolizes not only death and purification, but also regeneration and renewal. Thus the two principal effects are purification from sins and new birth in the Holy Spirit. 65

For the forgiveness of sins . . .

1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. 66 In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

1264 Yet certain temporal consequences of sin remain in the baptized, such as suffering, illness, death, and such frailties inherent in life as weaknesses of character, and so on, as well as an inclination to sin that Tradition calls concupiscence, or metaphorically, "the tinder for sin" (fomes peccati); since concupiscence "is left for us to wrestle with, it cannot harm those who do not consent but manfully resist it by the grace of Jesus Christ." 67 Indeed, "an athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules." 68

"A new creature"

1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature," 69 member of Christ and co-heir with him, 70 and a temple of the Holy Spirit. 71

1266 The Most Holy Trinity gives the baptized sanctifying grace, the grace of justification:

- enabling them to believe in God, to hope in him, and to love him through the theological virtues;

- giving them the power to live and act under the prompting of the Holy Spirit through the gifts of the Holy Spirit;

- allowing them to grow in goodness through the moral virtues.

Thus the whole organism of the Christian's supernatural life has its roots in Baptism.

Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: "Therefore . . . we are members one of another." 72 Baptism incorporates us into the Church. From the baptismal fonts is born the one People of God of the New Covenant, which transcends all the natural or human limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes: "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body." 73

1268 The baptized have become "living stones" to be "built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood." 74 By Baptism they share in the priesthood of Christ, in his prophetic and royal mission. They are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that [they] may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called [them] out of darkness into his marvelous light." 75 Baptism gives a share in the common priesthood of all believers.

1269 Having become a member of the Church, the person baptized belongs no longer to himself, but to him who died and rose for us. 76 From now on, he is called to be subject to others, to serve them in the communion of the Church, and to "obey and submit" to the Church's leaders, 77 holding them in respect and affection. 78 Just as Baptism is the source of responsibilities and duties, the baptized person also enjoys rights within the Church: to receive the sacraments, to be nourished with the Word of God and to be sustained by the other spiritual helps of the Church. 79

1270 "Reborn as sons of God, [the baptized] must profess before men the faith they have received from God through the Church" and participate in the apostolic and missionary activity of the People of God. 80

The sacramental bond of the unity of Christians

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." 81 "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn." 82

An indelible spiritual mark . . .

1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. 83 Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.

1273 Incorporated into the Church by Baptism, the faithful have received the sacramental character that consecrates them for Christian religious worship. 84 The baptismal seal enables and commits Christians to serve God by a vital participation in the holy liturgy of the Church and to exercise their baptismal priesthood by the witness of holy lives and practical charity. 85

1274 The Holy Spirit has marked us with the seal of the Lord ("Dominicus character") "for the day of redemption." 86 "Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

IN BRIEF:

1275 Christian initiation is accomplished by three sacraments together: Baptism which is the beginning of new life; Confirmation which is its strengthening; and the Eucharist which nourishes the disciple with Christ's Body and Blood for his transformation in Christ.

1276 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" (Mt 28:19-20).

1277 Baptism is birth into the new life in Christ. In accordance with the Lord's will, it is necessary for salvation, as is the Church herself, which we enter by Baptism.

1278 The essential rite of Baptism consists in immersing the candidate in water or pouring water on his head, while pronouncing the invocation of the Most Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

1279 The fruit of Baptism, or baptismal grace, is a rich reality that includes forgiveness of original sin and all personal sins, birth into the new life by which man becomes an adoptive son of the Father, a member of Christ and a temple of the Holy Spirit. By this very fact the person baptized is incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ, and made a sharer in the priesthood of Christ.

1280 Baptism imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual sign, the character, which consecrates the baptized person for Christian worship. Because of the character Baptism cannot be repeated (cf. DS 1609 and DS 1624).

1281 Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, can be saved even if they have not been baptized (cf. LG 16).

1282 Since the earliest times, Baptism has been administered to children, for it is a grace and a gift of God that does not presuppose any human merit; children are baptized in the faith of the Church. Entry into Christian life gives access to true freedom.

1283 With respect to children who have died without Baptism, the liturgy of the Church invites us to trust in God's mercy and to pray for their salvation.

1284 In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate's head while saying: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

Notes:

65 Cf. Acts 2:38; Jn 3:5.

66 Cf. Council of Florence (1439): DS 1316.

67 Council of Trent (1546): DS 1515.

68 2 Tim 2:5.

69 2 Cor 5:17; 2 Pet 1:4; cf. Gal 4:5-7.

70 Cf. l Cor 6:15; 12:27; Rom 8:17.

71 Cf. l Cor 6:19.

72 Eph 4:25.

73 I Cor 12:13.

74 I Pet 2:5.

75 I Pet 2:9.

76 Cf. I Cor 6:19; 2 Cor 5:15.

77 Heb 13:17.

78 Cf. Eph 5:21; I Cor 16:15-16; I Thess 5:12-13; Jn 13:12-15.

79 Cf. LG 37; CIC, cann. 208-223; CCEO, can. 675:2.

80 LG 11; cf. LG 17; AG 7; 23.

81 UR 3.

82 UR 22 § 2.

83 Cf. Rom 8:29; Council of Trent (1547): DS 1609-1619.

84 Cf. LG 11.

85 Cf. LG 10.

86 St. Augustine, Ep. 98, 5: PL 33, 362; Eph 4:30; cf. 1:13-14; 2 Cor 1:21-22.

87 St. Irenaeus, Dem ap. 3: SCh 62, 32.

88 Roman Missal, EP I (Roman Canon) 97.


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Instruction on Infant Baptism

Instruction on Infant Baptism
 
by Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

INTRODUCTION

1. Pastoral work with regard to infant Baptism was greatly assisted by the promulgation of the new Ritual, prepared in accordance with the directives of the Second Vatican Council.1 The pace of change in society, however, is making it difficult for the young to be brought up in the Faith and to persevere in it, and the resulting problems encountered by Christian parents and pastors have not been completely eliminated.

2. Many parents are distressed to see their children abandoning the Faith and no longer receiving the sacraments, in spite of their own efforts to give them a Christian upbringing, and some pastors are asking themselves whether they should not be stricter before admitting infants to Baptism. Some think it better to delay the Baptism of children until the completion of a catechumenate of greater or less duration, while others are asking for a re-examination of the teaching on the necessity of Baptism, at least for infants, and wish the celebration of the sacrament to be put off until such an age when an individual can make a personal commitment, perhaps even until the beginning of adult life.

However, this questioning of traditional sacramental pastoral practice cannot fail to raise in the Church justified fears of jeopardizing so essential a doctrine as that of the necessity of Baptism. In particular, many parents are scandalized at finding Baptism refused or delayed when, with full awareness of their duty, they request it for their children.

3. In view of this situation and in response to the many petitions received, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in consultation with various Episcopal Conferences, has prepared the present Instruction. The purpose of the document is to recall the principal points of doctrine in this field which justify the Church's constant practice down the centuries and demonstrate its permanent value in spite of the difficulties raised today. The document will then indicate some general guidelines for pastoral action.

PART ONE: TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE ON INFANT BAPTISM

Immemorial Practice

4. Both in the East and in the West the practice of baptizing infants is considered a rule of immemorial tradition. Origen, and later St. Augustine, considered it a "tradition received from the Apostles."2 When the first direct evidence of infant Baptism appears in the second century, it is never presented as an innovation. St. Irenaeus, in particular, considers it a matter of course that the baptized should include "infants and small children" as well as adolescents, young adults and older people.3 The oldest known ritual, describing at the start of the third century the Apostolic Tradition, contains the following rule: "First baptize the children. Those of them who can speak for themselves should do so. The parents or someone of their family should speak for the others."4 At a Synod of African Bishops, St. Cyprian stated that "God's mercy and grace should not be refused to anyone born," and the Synod, recalling that "all human beings" are "equal," whatever be "their size or age," declared it lawful to baptize children "by the second or third day after their birth."5

5. Admittedly there was a certain decline in the practice of infant Baptism during the fourth century. At that time even adults postponed their Christian initiation out of apprehension about future sins and fear of public penance, and many parents put off the Baptism of their children for the same reasons. But it must also be noted that Fathers and Doctors such as Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, Ambrose, John Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine, who were themselves baptized as adults on account of this state of affairs, vigorously reacted against such negligence and begged adults not to postpone Baptism since it is necessary for salvation.6 Several of them insisted that Baptism should be administered to infants.7

The Teaching of the Magisterium

6. Popes and Councils also often intervened to remind Christians of their duty to have their children baptized.

At the close of the fourth century the ancient custom of baptizing children as well as adults "for the forgiveness of sins" was used against the teachings of Peladius. As Origen and St. Cyprian had noted, before St. Augustine,8 this custom confirmed the Church's belief in original sin, and this in turn showed still more clearly the necessity of infant Baptism. There were interventions on these lines by Pope Siricius9 and Pope Innocent I.10 Later, the Council of Carthage in 418 condemned "whoever says that newborn infants should not be baptized," and it taught that, on account of the Church's "rule of faith" concerning original sin, "even babies, who are yet unable to commit any sin personally, are truly baptized for the forgiveness of sins, for the purpose of cleansing by rebirth what they have received by birth."11

7. This teaching was constantly reaffirmed and defended during the Middle Ages. In particular, the Council of Vienna in 1312 stressed that the sacrament of Baptism has for its effect, in the case of infants, not just the forgiveness of sins but also the granting of grace and the virtues.12 The Council of Florence in 1442 rebuked those who wanted Baptism postponed and declared that infants should receive "as soon as is convenient" (quam primum commode) the sacrament "through which they are rescued from the devil's power and adopted as God's children."13

The Council of Trent repeated the Council of Carthage's condemnation,14 and, referring to the words of Jesus to Nicodemus, it declared that "since the promulgation of the Gospel" nobody can be justified "without being washed for rebirth or wishing to be."15 One of the errors anathematized by the Council is the Anabaptist view that "it is better that the Baptism (of children) be omitted than to baptize in the faith of the Church alone those who do not believe by their own act."16

8. The various regional councils and synods held after the Council of Trent taught with equal firmness the necessity of baptizing children. Pope Paul VI also solemnly recalled the centuries-old teaching on this matter, declaring that "Baptism should be conferred even on infants who are yet unable to commit any sin personally, in order that, having been born without supernatural grace, they may be born again of water and the Holy Spirit to divine life in Christ Jesus."17

9. The texts of the Magisterium quoted above were chiefly concerned with refuting errors. They are far from exhausting the riches of the doctrine on Baptism expressed in the New Testament, the catechesis of the Fathers, and the teaching of the Doctors of the Church: Baptism is a manifestation of the Father's prevenient love, a sharing in the Son's Paschal Mystery, and a communication of new life in the Spirit; it brings people into the inheritance of God and joins them to the Body of Christ, the Church.

10. In view of this, Christ's warning in St. John's Gospel, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God,"18 must be taken as an invitation of universal and limitless love, the words of a Father calling all His children and wishing them to have the greatest of blessings. This pressing and irrevocable call cannot leave us indifferent or neutral, since its acceptance is a condition for achieving our destiny.

The Church's Mission

11. The Church must respond to the mission that Christ gave to the Apostles after His resurrection. St. Matthew's Gospel reports it in a particularly solemn form: "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."19 Transmitting the faith and administering Baptism are closely linked in this command of the Lord, and they are an integral part of the Church's mission, which is universal and cannot cease to be universal.

12. This is how the Church has understood her mission from the beginning, and not only with regard to adults. She has always understood the words of Jesus to Nicodemus to mean that "children should not be deprived of Baptism."20 Jesus' words are so universal and absolute in form that the Fathers employed them to establish the necessity of Baptism, and the Magisterium applied them expressly to infants21; the sacrament is for them, too, entry into the People of God22 and the gateway to personal salvation.

13. The Church has thus shown by her teaching and practice that she knows no other way apart from Baptism for ensuring children's entry into eternal happiness. Accordingly, she takes care not to neglect the mission that the Lord has given her of providing rebirth "of water and the Spirit" for all those who can be baptized. As for children who die without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to God's mercy, as she does in the funeral rite provided for them.23

14. The fact that infants cannot yet profess personal faith does not prevent the Church from conferring this sacrament on them, since in reality it is in her own faith that she baptizes them. This point of doctrine was clearly defined by Saint Augustine: "When children are presented to be given spiritual grace," he wrote, "it is not so much those holding them in their arms who present them--although, if these people are good Christians, they are included among those who present the children--as the whole company of saints and faithful Christians.... It is done by the whole of Mother Church which is in the saints, since it is as a whole that she gives birth to each and every one of them."24 This teaching is repeated by St. Thomas Aquinas and all the theologians after him: the child who is baptized believes not on its own account, by a personal act, but through others, "through the Church's faith communicated to it."25 This same teaching is also expressed in the new Rite of Baptism, when the celebrant asks the parents and godparents to profess the Faith of the Church, the Faith in which the children are baptized.26

15. Although the Church is truly aware of the efficacy of her faith operating in the Baptism of children, and aware of the validity of the sacrament that she confers on them, she recognizes limits to her practice, since, apart from cases of danger of death, she does not admit a child to Baptism without its parents' consent and a serious assurance that after Baptism it will be given a Catholic upbringing.27 This is because she is concerned both for the natural rights of the parents and for the requirements of the development of faith in the child.

PART TWO: ANSWERS TO DIFFICULTIES BEING RAISED TODAY

16. It is in the light of the teaching recalled above that we must judge certain views which are expressed today about infant Baptism and which question its legitimacy as a general rule.

Link Between Baptism and Act of Faith

17. Noting that in the New Testament writings Baptism follows the preaching of the Gospel, presupposes conversion and goes with a profession of faith, and furthermore that the effects of grace (forgiveness of sins, justification, rebirth and sharing in divine life) are generally linked with faith rather than with the sacrament,28 some people propose that the order "preaching, faith, sacrament" should become the rule. Apart from cases of danger of death, they would apply this rule to children, and would institute an obligatory catechumenate for them.

18. It is beyond doubt that the preaching of the Apostles was normally directed to adults, and the first to be baptized were people converted to the Christian Faith. As these facts are related in the books of the New Testament, they could give rise to the opinion that it is only the faith of adults that is considered in these texts. However, as was mentioned above, the practice of baptizing children rests on an immemorial tradition originating from the Apostles, the importance of which cannot be ignored; besides, Baptism is never administered without faith: in the case of infants, it is the faith of the Church.

Furthermore, in accordance with the teaching of the Council of Trent on the sacraments, Baptism is not just a sign of faith but also a cause of faith.29 It produces in the baptized "interior enlightenment," and so the Byzantine liturgy is right to call it the sacrament of enlightenment, or simply enlightenment, meaning that the faith received pervades the soul and causes the veil of blindness to fall before the brightness of Christ.30

Harmony Between Baptism and Personal Reception of Grace

19. It is also said that, since every grace is intended for a person, it should be consciously accepted and appropriated by the person who receives it, something that an infant is quite incapable of doing.

20. But in reality the child is a person long before it can show it by acts of consciousness and freedom. As a person, the child is already capable of becoming, through the sacrament of Baptism, a child of God and a coheir with Christ. Later, when consciousness and freedom awake, these will have at their disposal the powers placed in the child's soul by the grace of Baptism.

Harmony Between Baptism and the Child's Freedom

21. Some people also object that baptizing infants is a restriction of their freedom. They say that it is contrary to the dignity of the children as persons to impose on them future religious obligations that they may perhaps later be led to reject. In this view it would be better to confer the sacrament only at an age when free commitment has become possible; until then parents and teachers should restrain themselves and avoid exercising any pressure.

22. Such an attitude is simply an illusion: there is no such thing as pure human freedom, immune from being influenced in any way. Even on the natural level, parents make choices for their child that are essential for its life and for its orientation towards true values. A so-called neutral attitude on the part of the family with regard to the child's religious life would in fact be a negative choice that would deprive the child of an essential good.

Above all, those who claim that the sacrament of Baptism compromises a child's freedom forget that every individual, baptized or not, is, as a creature, bound by indefeasible duties to God, duties which Baptism ratifies and ennobles through the adoption as a child of God. They also forget that the New Testament presents entry into the Christian life not as a form of slavery or constraint but as admittance to true freedom.31

It can happen that, when a child grows up, it will reject the obligations derived from its Baptism. Although its parents may be hurt as a result, they should not reproach themselves for having had the child baptized and giving it a Christian upbringing as was their right and their duty.32 In spite of appearances, the seeds of faith sown in the child's soul may one day come to life again, and the parents will contribute to this by their patience and love, by their prayers and by the authentic witness of their own faith.

Baptism in the Present Sociological Situation

23. In view of the link between the person and society, some people hold that infant Baptism is still suitable in the homogeneous type of society, in which values, judgments and customs form a coherent system; but they hold that it is inappropriate in today's societies, which are characterized by instability of values and conflicts of ideas. In the present situation, they say Baptism should be delayed until the candidate's personality has sufficiently matured.

24. The Church is well aware that she must take the social reality into account. But the criteria of homogeneity and pluralism are merely pointers and cannot be set up as normative principles; they are inadequate for settling a strictly religious question, which by its nature is a matter for the Church and the Christian family.

While the criterion of the homogeneous society would legitimate infant Baptism if the society is Christian, it would also lead one to consider it as illegitimate when Christian families are in a minority, whether within an ethnic group that is still predominantly pagan or in a militantly atheistic regime. This obviously cannot be admitted.

The criterion of the pluralistic society is no more valid than the preceding criterion, since in this type of society the family and the Church can act freely and accordingly provide a Christian education.

Besides, a study of history clearly shows that if these "sociological" criteria had been applied in the first centuries of the Church they would have paralyzed all her missionary expansion. It is worth adding that all too often pluralism is being invoked in a paradoxical way, in order to impose on the faithful behavior patterns that in reality are an obstacle to the exercise of their Christian freedom.

In a society whose mentality, customs and laws are no longer inspired by the Gospel it is therefore of great importance that in questions connected with infant Baptism the Church's own nature and mission should be taken into consideration before all else.

In spite of being intermingled with human society and in spite of being made up of different nationalities and cultures, the People of God has its own identity, characterized by unity of faith and sacraments. Animated as it is by a single spirit and a single hope, it is an organic whole, capable of producing within the various groups of humanity the structures necessary for its growth. It is in this context that the Church's sacramental pastoral practice, in particular with regard to infant Baptism, must be placed; her practice must not depend only on criteria borrowed from the human sciences.

Infant Baptism and Sacramental Pastoral Practice

25. A final criticism of infant Baptism would have it that the practice comes from a pastoral usage lacking missionary impetus and concerned more with administering a sacrament than with stirring up faith and fostering commitment to spreading the Gospel. It is asserted that, by retaining infant Baptism, the Church is yielding to the temptation of numbers and social establishment, and that she is encouraging the maintenance of a magical concept of the sacraments, while she really ought to engage in missionary activity, bring the faith of Christians to maturity, foster their free conscious commitment, and consequently admit a number of stages in her sacramental pastoral practice.

26. Undoubtedly, the Church's apostolate should aim at stirring up lively faith and fostering a truly Christian life; but the requirements of pastoral practice with regard to administering the sacraments to adults cannot be applied unchanged to children who, as mentioned above, are baptized "in the faith of the Church." Besides, we must not treat lightly the necessity of the sacrament: it is a necessity that has lost none of its importance and urgency, especially when what is at stake is ensuring that the child receives the infinite blessing of eternal life.

With regard to preoccupation with numbers, if this preoccupation is properly understood it is not a temptation or an evil for the Church but a duty and a blessing. The Church, described by St. Paul as Christ's "body" and His "fullness,"33 is the visible sacrament of Christ in the world, with the mission of extending to everyone the sacramental link between her and her glorified Savior. Accordingly, she cannot fail to wish to give to everyone, children no less than adults, the first and basic sacrament of Baptism.

If it is understood in this way, the practice of infant Baptism is truly evangelical, since it has the force of witness, manifesting God's initiative and the gratuitous character of the love with which He surrounds our lives: "not that we loved God but that he loved us.... We love, because he first loved us."34 Even in the case of adults, the demands that the reception of Baptism involves35 should not make us forget that "he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit."36

PART THREE: SOME PASTORAL DIRECTIVES

27. While certain suggestions being put forward today cannot be accepted--suggestions such as the definitive abandonment of infant Baptism and freedom to choose, whatever the reasons, between immediate Baptism and deferred Baptism--one cannot deny the need for a pastoral effort pursued in greater depth and renewed in certain aspects. It is appropriate to indicate the principles and fundamental guidelines at this point.

The Principles of This Pastoral Practice

28. In the first place, it is important to recall that the Baptism of infants must be considered a serious duty. The questions which it poses to pastors can be settled only by faithful attention to the teaching and constant practice of the Church.

Concretely, pastoral practice regarding infant Baptism must be governed by two great principles, the second of which is subordinate to the first.

1) Baptism, which is necessary for salvation, is the sign and the means of God's prevenient love, which frees us from original sin and communicates to us a share in divine life. Considered in itself, the gift of these blessings to infants must not be delayed.

2) Assurances must be given that the gift thus granted can grow by an authentic education in the faith and Christian life, in order to fulfill the true meaning of the sacrament.37 As a rule, these assurances are to be given by the parents or close relatives, although various substitutions are possible within the Christian community. But if these assurances are not really serious there can be grounds for delaying the sacrament; and if they are certainly non-existent the sacrament should even be refused.

Dialogue Between Pastors and Believing Families

29. On the basis of these two principles, concrete cases will be examined in a pastoral dialogue between the priest and the family. The rules for dialogue with parents who are practicing Christians are given in the Introduction to the Ritual. It is sufficient to recall here two of the more significant points.

In the first place, much importance is given to the presence and active participation of the parents in the celebration. The parents now have priority over the godparents, although the presence of the latter continues to be required, since their assistance in the child's education is valuable and can sometimes be essential.

Secondly, preparation for the Baptism has an important place. The parents must give thought to the Baptism; they should inform their pastors of the coming birth and prepare themselves spiritually. The pastors, for their part, will visit the families or gather them together and give them catechesis and appropriate advice. They will also urge the families to pray for the children that they are expecting.38

As for the time of the actual celebration, the indications in the Ritual should be followed: "The first consideration is the welfare of the child, that it may not be deprived of the benefit of the sacrament; then the health of the mother must be considered, so that, as far as possible she too may be present. Then, as long as they do not interfere with the greater good of the child, there are pastoral considerations such as allowing sufficient time to prepare the parents and for planning the actual celebration to bring out its paschal character." Accordingly, "if the child is in danger of death, it is to be baptized without delay"; otherwise, as a rule "an infant should be baptized within the first weeks after birth."39

Dialogue Between Pastors and Families With Little Faith or Non-Christian Families

30. It sometimes happens that pastors are approached by parents who have little faith and practice their religion only occasionally, or even by non-Christian parents who request Baptism for their children for reasons that deserve consideration.

In this case the pastor will endeavor by means of a clear-sighted and understanding dialogue to arouse the parents' interest in the sacrament they are requesting and make them aware of the responsibility that they are assuming.

In fact the Church can only accede to the desire of these parents if they give an assurance that, once the child is baptized, it will be given the benefit of the Christian upbringing required by the sacrament. The Church must have a well-founded hope that the Baptism will bear fruit.40

If the assurances given--for example, the choice of godparents who will take sincere care of the child, or the support of the community of the faithful--are sufficient, the priest cannot refuse to celebrate the sacrament without delay, as in the case of children of Christian families. If on the other hand they are insufficient, it will be prudent to delay Baptism. However the pastors should keep in contact with the parents so as to secure, if possible, the conditions required on their part for the celebration of the sacrament. If even this solution fails, it can be suggested, as a last recourse, that the child be enrolled in a catechumenate to be given when the child reaches school age.

31. These rules have already been made, and are already in force,41 but they require some clarifications.

In the first place it must be clear that the refusal of Baptism is not a means of exercising pressure. Nor can one speak of refusal, still less of discrimination, but rather of educational delay, according to individual cases, aimed at helping the family to grow in faith or to become more aware of its responsibilities.

With regard to the assurances, any pledge giving a well-founded hope for the Christian upbringing of the children deserves to be considered as sufficient.

Enrollment for a future catechumenate should not be accompanied by a specially created rite which would easily be taken as an equivalent of the sacrament itself. It should also be clear that this enrollment is not admittance to the catechumenate and that the infants cannot be considered catechumenates with all the prerogatives attached to being such. They must be presented later on for a catechumenate suited to their age. In this regard, it must be stated clearly that the existence in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults of a Rite of Initiation for Children of Catechetical Age42 in no way means that the Church considers it preferable or normal to delay Baptism until that age.

Finally, in areas where families of little faith or non-Christian families make up the majority, so as to justify the local setting up by the Bishops' Conference of a joint pastoral plan which provides for postponing Baptism beyond the time fixed by the general law,43 Christian families living in these areas retain the full right to have their children baptized earlier. The sacrament is therefore to be administered in accordance with the Church's will and as the faith and generosity of these families deserve.

The Role of the Family and of the Parish Community

32. The pastoral effort brought into play on the occasion of the Baptism of infants should be part of a broader activity extending to the families and to the whole of the Christian community.

From this viewpoint it is important to intensify pastoral care of engaged couples at meetings in preparations for marriage, and likewise the pastoral care of young couples. The whole ecclesial community must be called upon as circumstances demand, especially teachers, married couples, family action movements, religious congregations and secular institutions. Priests must give this apostolate an important place in their ministry. In particular, they will remind parents of their responsibilities in awakening their children's faith and educating it. It is in fact for parents to begin the religious initiation of the child, to teach it to love Christ as a close friend and to form its conscience. This task will be all the more fruitful and easy if it builds on the grace of Baptism present in the child's heart.

33. As is clearly indicated in the Ritual, the parish community, especially the group of Christians that constitute the family's human environment, should play a part in the pastoral practice regarding Baptism. "Christian instruction and the preparation for Baptism are a vital concern of God's people, the Church, which hands on and nourishes the faith it has received from the Apostles."44 This active participation by the Christian people, which has already come into use in the case of adults, is also required for the Baptism of infants, in which "the People of God, that is the Church, made present in the local community, has an important part to play."45 In addition, the community itself will as a rule draw great profit, both spiritual and apostolic, from the Baptism ceremony. Finally, the community's work will continue, after the liturgical celebration, through the contribution of the adults to the education of the young in faith, both by the witness of their own Christian lives and by their participation in various catechetical activities.

CONCLUSION

34. In addressing the Bishops, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is fully confident that, as part of the mission that they have received from the Lord, they will take care to recall the Church's teaching on the necessity of infant Baptism, promote an appropriate pastoral practice, and bring back to the traditional practice those who, perhaps under the pressure of comprehensible pastoral concerns, have departed from it. The Congregation also hopes that the teaching and guidelines contained in this Instruction will reach all pastors, Christian parents and the ecclesial community, so that all will become aware of their responsibilities and make their contribution, through the Baptism of children and their Christian education, to the growth of the Church, the Body of Christ. This Instruction was adopted at an Ordinary Meeting of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and was approved at an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect by His Holiness, Pope John Paul II, who ordered its publication.

Rome, at the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, October 20, 1980.

FRANJO CARDINAL SEPER Prefect FR. JEROME HAMER, O.P. Titular Archbishop of Lorium Secretary

ENDNOTES

1. Ordo baptismi parvulorum, ed. typica, Romae, May 16, 1969.

2. Origen, In Romanis, V, 9; PG 14, 1047; cf. St. Augustine, De Genesi ad litteram, X, 23, 39: PL 34, 426; De peccatorum meritis et remissione et de baptismo parvulorum ad Marcellinum, I, 26, 39: PL 44, 131. In fact, three passages of the Acts of the Apostles (16:15, 16:33, 18:8) speak of the baptism of a whole household or family.

3. Adv. Haereses II, 22, 4: PG 7, 784; Harvey I, 330. Many inscriptions from as early as the second century give little children the title of "children of God," a title give only to the baptized, or explicitly mention that they were baptized: cf., for example, Corpus Inscriptionum Graecarum, 9727, 9801, 9817; E. Diehl, Inscriptiones Latinae Christianae Veteres (Berlin 1961), nos. 1523(3), 4429A.

4. La Tradition apostolique de Saint Hippolyte, edited and translated by B. Botte, Munster, Aschendorff, 1963 (Liturgiewissenschafliche Quellen und Forschungen 39), p. 44.

5. Epist. LXIV, Cyprianus et coeteri collegae, qui in concilio adfuerunt numero LXVI. Fido fratri: PL 3, 1013-1019; ed. Hartel, (CSEL 3), pp. 717-721. This practice was particularly strong in the Church in Africa, in spite of the position taken by Tertullian, who advised that baptism of children should be delayed in view of the innocence associated with their age and the fear of possible lapses in young adulthood. Cf. De baptismo, XVIII, 3-XIX, 1: PL 1, 1220-1222; De anima, 39-41: PL 2, 719ff.

6. Cf. St. Basil, Homilia XIII exhortatoria ad sanctum baptisma: PG 424- 436; St. Gregory of Nyssa, Adversus eos qui differunt baptismum oratio: PG 46, 424; St. Augustine, In Ioannem Tractatus XIII, 7: PL 35, 1496; CCL 36, p. 134.

7. Cf. St. Ambrose, De Abraham, II, 11, 81-84: PL 14, 495-497: CSEL 32, 1, pp. 632-635; St. John Chrysostom, Catechesis, III, 5-6, ed. A. Wenger, SC 50, pp. 153-154; St. Jerome, Epist. 107, 6; PL 22, 873, ed. J. Labourt (Bude), vol. 5, pp. 151-152. However, while Gregory of Nazianzus urged mothers to have their children baptized at the earliest possible age, he was content to fix that age as the first three years; cf. Oratio XL in sanctum baptisma, 17 and 28: PL 380 and 399.

8. Origen, In Leviticum hom. VIII, 3: PG 12, 496; In Lucam hom. XIV, 5: PG 13, 1835; St. Cyprian, Epist. 64, 5: PL 3, 1018; ed. Hartel, CSEL p. 720; St. Augustine, De peccatorum meritis et remissione et de baptismo parvulorum, I, XVII-XIX, 22-24: PL 44, 121-122; De gratia Christi et de peccato originali, I, XXXII, 35; ibid., 377; De praedestinatione sanctorum, XIII, 25: ibid., 978; Opus imperfectum contra Iulianum, V, 9: PL 45, 1439.

9. Epist. "Directa ad decessorem" ad Himerium episc. Tarraconensem, 10 febr. i. 385, 2: DS (Denzinger-Schoenmetzer, Enchiridion symbolorum, definitonum et declarationum de rebus fidei et morum, Herder 1965) 184.

10. Epist. "Inter ceteras Ecclesiae Romanae" ad Silvanum et ceteros Synodi Milevitanae Patres, 27 ian. 417, 5: DS 219.

11. Canon 2: Mansi, III, 811-814 and IV, 327 A-B: DS 233.

12. Council of Vienne: Mansi, XXV, 411 C-D: DS 903-904.

13. Council of Florence, sessio XI: DS 1349.

14. Sessio V, can. 4: DS 1514; cf. the 418 Council of Carthage, note 11 above.

15. Sessio VI, cap. IV: DS 1524.

16. Sessio VII, can. 13: DS 1626.

17. Sollemnis Professio Fidei, 18: AAS 60, 1968, p. 440.

18. Jn. 3:5.

19. Mt. 28:19; cf. Mk. 16:15-16.

20. Ordo baptismi parvulorum, Praenotanda, no. 2, p. 15.

21. Cf. note 8 above for the patristic texts, and notes 9 to 13 for the Councils. Another text is the Profession of Faith of Patriarch Dositheus of Jerusalem in 1672: Mansi XXXIV, 1746.

22. "What is done when children are baptized," wrote St. Augustine, "is to incorporate them into the Church, that is to say to associate them with Christ's body and members" (De peccatorum meritis et remissione et de baptismo parvulorum III, 4, 7: PL 44, 189; cf. I, 26, 39: ibid., 131.

23. Ordo exsequiarum, ed. typica, Romae, August 15, 1969, nos. 82, 231- 237.

24. Epist. 98, 5: PL 33, 362; cf. Sermo 176, 2, 2: PL 38, 950.

25. Summa Theologica, IIIa, q. 69, a. 5, ad 3, cf. q. 68, a. 9, ad 3.

26. Ordo baptismi parvulorum, Parenotanda, no. 2: cf. no. 56.

27. There is a long-standing tradition, appealed to by St. Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica, IIa-IIIae, q. 10, a. 12, in c.) and Pope Benedict XIV (Instruction Postremo Mense of February 28, 1747, 4-5: DS 2552- 2553), against baptizing a child of unbelieving or Jewish parents, except in danger of death (CIC, can. 750, par. 2) against the parents' wishes, that is unless the parents ask for it and give guarantees.

28. Cf. Mt. 28:19; Mk. 16:16; Acts 2:37-41, 8:35-38; Rom. 3:22, 26; Gal. 3:26.

29. Council of Trent, sessio VII, Decr. de sacramentis, can. 6: DS 1606.

30. Cf. 2 Cor. 3:15-16.

31. Jn. 8:36; Rom. 6:17-22, 8:21; Gal. 4:31, 5:1, 13; 1 Pt. 2:16, etc.

32. This right and duty, specified in detail by the Second Vatican Council in the Declaration Dignitatis humanae, 5, has been given international recognition in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, art. 26(3).

33. Eph. 1:23.

34. 1 Jn. 4:10, 19.

35. Cf. Council of Trent, sessio VI, De iustificatione, capp. 506, can. 4 and 9: DS 1525-1526, 1554, 1559.

36. Ti. 3:5.

37. Cf. Ordo baptismi parvulorum, Praenotanda, no. 3, p. 15.

38. Cf. ibid., no. 8, par. 2, p. 17, no. 5, pars. 1 and 5, p. 16.

39. Ibid., 8, par. 1, p. 17.

40. Cf. ibid., no. 3, p. 15.

41. These rules were first given in a Letter of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith replying to a request by the Most Reverend Barthelmy Hanrion, Bishop of Dapango, Togo, and they were published, together with the Bishop's request, in Notitiae No. 61 (volume 7, year 1971), pp. 64-70.

42. Cf. Ordo initiationis christinae adultorum, ed. typica, Romae, Jan. 6, 1972, cap. 5, pp. 125-149.

43. Cf. Ordo baptismi parvulorum Praenotanda, no. 8, pars. 3-4, p. 17.

44. Ibid., De Initiatione christiana, Praenotanda generalia, no. 7, p. 9.

45. Ibid., Parenotanda, no. 4, p. 15.


7 posted on 12/09/2007 11:03:57 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Religion Moderator
RM, I move that Reformed Protestants, Evangelicals, and Baptists be included in this caucus (or the caucus designation removed), due to these links being posted in the caucus by the thread poster:

Justified by Baptism (fallout from the Beckwith conversion grows) [Francis Beckwith was an Evangelical who converted to Catholicism]
A Critique of a Critique (On Baptism by Immersion) [Catholics do not baptise by immersion, but Baptists do]
Catholics, Reformed Christian Churches sign document recognizing common baptism [Reformed (Protestant) Christians are not permitted to post in a "Catholic/Orthodox caucus"]

8 posted on 12/09/2007 11:05:49 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: All
Seeing if this link will work now.

The Early Church Fathers on Baptism - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

9 posted on 12/09/2007 11:06:08 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Does the article on infant baptism come to a conclusion? It just seems to go on and on and on and on.
In late 1955, my mother took me to St. Francis of Rome in Azusa, CA, to be baptised. The priest told her, “There’s no way in hell I’m going to baptise a bastard.”


10 posted on 12/09/2007 11:08:24 AM PST by Excellence (Bacon Bits Make Great Confetti)
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To: Religion Moderator

Please remove the links that A. M. is referring to. For what’s it worth, the “Topic” of ecumenism is inclusive.


11 posted on 12/09/2007 11:09:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Excellence

You have FReepmail.


12 posted on 12/09/2007 11:11:13 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All
The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized
13 posted on 12/09/2007 11:19:30 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; Alex Murphy

Individual posts cannot be edited, I removed the entire post 6 to retain the caucus.


14 posted on 12/09/2007 11:19:58 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I understand the problem.

What many may not realize is that many Catholic Churches do baptized by immersion if that is what the adult wishes. I think that link is not irrelvant to the thread.


16 posted on 12/09/2007 11:27:56 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

Brotherly love on a Sunday, please.


17 posted on 12/09/2007 11:29:06 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Religion Moderator; kawaii

** I think that link is not irrelvant to the thread.**

Especially since it was posted by an Orthodox poster.


18 posted on 12/09/2007 11:36:33 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

thanks, Salvation!

our little one was just Baptised this morning.


19 posted on 12/09/2007 12:11:12 PM PST by Nihil Obstat (Alleluia)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Boy or girl?

What was his or her baptismal name?

Congratulations! Another one for the Lord.


20 posted on 12/09/2007 12:12:45 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Baptism [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 20: The Sacrament of Baptism

Baptism and the Usus Antiquior (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)

Mystical Baptism and Limbo

The Early Church Fathers on Baptism - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

21 posted on 12/09/2007 12:20:23 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Since some of us Protestants are mentioned in the article, should we not be allowed to give our view as to why we frown up the practice??? Thanks in advance...

Those who come to Faith as adults naturally wish to be baptized, but there has been a tendency in our own day to undervalue and even postpone infant baptism, which is also frowned upon by some Protestants.

22 posted on 12/09/2007 12:53:27 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator
[Catholics do not baptise (sic) by immersion, but Baptists do]

You want to rephrase that?

[Francis Beckwith was an Evangelical who converted to Catholicism]I was a priest of what was then called "the Protestant Episcopal Church" and an adherent of the neo-orthodox, quasi-Calvinist wing in at least some of my theology. Does that mean when I post in a caucus thread its caucus status is in doubt?

23 posted on 12/09/2007 1:24:51 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Excellence
If I'd been your mom I would have (a) said, "But is there a way in heaven?" and (b) written his bishop.

The great thing about the internet is that priests like that can be "outed" in a heartbeat. What a dope - and worse!

24 posted on 12/09/2007 1:27:09 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Salvation
which is also frowned upon by some Protestants.

Who are these Protestants? Why are they frowning? And who let them into this caucused thread?

25 posted on 12/09/2007 3:07:30 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Between the Lines

Some people are just naturally petulant and whiny, it is the nature of humans.


26 posted on 12/09/2007 3:57:04 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

We have two young sisters (ages 9 and 11) in our parish who have never been baptized. The parents left the decision up to them. Mercifully, we were able to convince the father to enroll the two girls in Religious Education. Both have now expressed a desire to be baptized into the Catholic Church. Their reception will be scheduled sometime in the month of January. Praise be to God!


27 posted on 12/09/2007 4:32:25 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
I remember your mentioning the sisters before.

Thanks be to God indeed that they are to be baptized.

How parents expect children to make a decision when they haven't given them any information is a mystery to me!

28 posted on 12/09/2007 4:36:16 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Salvation
I've got a question that's only slightly relevant, but let me ask anyway: say a baby is Baptized and Chrismated in the Orthodox Church, and later in life decides to become Catholic. I understand that Protestants are usually received by Confirmation, but the Orthodox person has already been validly Baptized and Chrismated (that counts as Confirmation, right?)

So, is there a special rite or ceremony by which an Orthodox person is received?

29 posted on 12/09/2007 4:38:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (")
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To: NYer

**. Both have now expressed a desire to be baptized into the Catholic Church.**

Glory be to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!


30 posted on 12/09/2007 5:12:46 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; kawaii

Since I’m not that familiar with the Orthodox Church I am not qualified to answer your question.


31 posted on 12/09/2007 5:15:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Since all of the Orthodox Sacraments are valid, and Chrismation does equate to Confirmation (and cannot be repeated), there is really nothing to be done sacramentally for the person you describe in your example. An Orthodox convert to Catholicism is received simply with a formal profession of faith. A documentation of the Sacraments received prior to conversion would almost certainly be requested, and this would be handled simply with a certificate or copy of an official ledger from the Orthodox parish(es) involved.


32 posted on 12/09/2007 5:43:22 PM PST by magisterium
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To: Iscool; Salvation
Because the article does indeed compare the doctrine of baptism to some Protestants, the caucus label was removed.

Please keep your comment brief and respectful. This article is one in a series of teachings concerning Catholic beliefs and I'd like to keep the series as clean as possible.

33 posted on 12/09/2007 7:23:40 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Salvation; All
which is also frowned upon by some Protestants

Unfortunately, because of this one rather innocuous phrase, the "caucus" status of this thread was removed. Seems trivial, but what can you do? It's a shame that this thread is likely to be completely co-opted for no real reason, so, in the future, perhaps ALL threads posted by Catholics for caucus status can be read through by the poster first, and ALL references to our separated brethren, no matter how innocuous, can be removed beforehand.

It's ridiculous that it has come to this, but let's go the extra mile and keep those threads that should be caucused "intact"!

34 posted on 12/10/2007 8:33:14 AM PST by magisterium
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To: magisterium

Yes, I think it is very sad. Since excumenism was a topic, I had no problem with the phrase.

It doesn’t change baptism at all though, does it? LOL!

The Church shall be persecuted and yet, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


35 posted on 12/10/2007 8:41:19 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Religion Moderator

**This article is one in a series of teachings concerning Catholic beliefs and I’d like to keep the series as clean as possible.**

Thank you, Praying for that respect of which you speak.


36 posted on 12/10/2007 8:42:29 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: magisterium

Sad that some people cannot accept the truth, huh?

(Almost like politics.............LOL!)


37 posted on 12/10/2007 9:01:53 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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So, is there a special rite or ceremony by which an Orthodox person is received?

They just make a profession of faith.

Someone who is received from Eastern Orthodoxy automagically becomes a Byzantine Rite Catholic, not a Latin Rite Catholic. If they really want to become a Latin Rite Catholic (e.g., because they want to eventually seek ordination as a Latin Rite cleric), they would have to petition the Holy See for a formal change of rite.

38 posted on 12/10/2007 9:07:09 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
"If they really want to become a Latin Rite Catholic ...they would have to petition the Holy See for a formal change of rite."

Would this make any difference if the closest Eastern Rite Catholic Church is 500 miles away?

39 posted on 12/10/2007 9:35:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credo ut intelligam. -- Anselm)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Would this make any difference if the closest Eastern Rite Catholic Church is 500 miles away?

Not sure who you're asking about, but the closest Byzantine Rite church to you is more like 100 miles away. :-)

You can of course add a mention of the distance to the paperwork for a formal change of rite.

Keep in mind that there's probably no need for a juridical change of rite unless the person is interested in pursuing ordination. I think the other sacraments requiring jurisdiction (confession, for example) can be celebrated with a priest of another rite, if a Byzantine Rite priest is not readily available.

40 posted on 12/10/2007 9:43:13 AM PST by Campion
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting, this is particularly useful.


41 posted on 12/10/2007 10:00:50 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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