Skip to comments.Archbishop: No Change Over Gay Bishop
Posted on 12/14/2007 2:42:25 PM PST by SmithL
LONDON, United Kingdom (AP) -- The archbishop of Canterbury said Friday he will not reverse his decision to exclude a gay U.S. bishop from joining other bishops at a global Anglican gathering next year.
The office of Archbishop Rowan Williams said he also had not changed his mind about refusing an invitation to Martyn Minns, a traditionalist U.S. priest who was consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Church of Nigeria to minister to disaffected Episcopalians in the U.S.
Williams, spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans, said he has recruited professional mediators in trying to reach greater understanding between the U.S. Episcopal Church and its critics both at home and abroad.
The Anglican Communion is a 77-million-member fellowship of churches that trace their roots to the Church of England. The Episcopal Church, the Anglican body in the U.S., caused an uproar in 2003 by consecrating the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.
Anglicans are now on the brink of schism, and attendance at next year's assembly, called the Lambeth Conference, has become a focus of the tension. Theological conservatives and liberals have separately threatened to boycott the meeting because of who was and wasn't invited.
Williams dedicated his Advent message to the crisis. He said that just under half of world Anglican leaders have not accepted the pledges by the Episcopal Church that it won't confirm any more gay bishops for now or approve official prayers for same-sex unions.
"We simply cannot pretend that there is now a ready-made consensus on the future of relationships between (the Episcopal Church) and other provinces,"
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“Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, leader of the Episcopal Church, said in a statement that she has “repeatedly offered to engage in dialogue with those who are most unhappy,” but her offer “has not yet been seriously engaged.”
Maybe it’s because her word means nothing after Dar es Salaam.
I should preface this remark by saying, "With all due respect", but I can't be that disingenuous. Williams is surely no +Nicholas of Myra who slugged Arius at the Council of Nicea. He is no +Athanasius the Great or +John Chrysostomos who suffered exile and death for their Orthodoxy. He is no champion of Anglican Christianity like countless known and unknown hierarchs and preachers and missionaries and martyrs. What would a bishop like +JC Ryle think of this spineless character? This man is more than a heretic and more heretical than merely the ArchDruid; he's a clown, a pathetic clown worthy only of contempt from "orthodox" (let alone "Orthodox") Christians.
Don’t leave us in the dark, K. - tell us what you really think!
While I’m sure there have been faithful bishops in Anglicanism over the centuries, the honest question is: can we really be shocked at this, since their forefather were the all the bishops who cowtowed to Henry VIII? The only bishop who stood up to that scoundrel was St. John Fisher.
“While Im sure there have been faithful bishops in Anglicanism over the centuries, the honest question is: can we really be shocked at this, since their forefather were the all the bishops who cowtowed to Henry VIII? The only bishop who stood up to that scoundrel was St. John Fisher.”
An Orthodox hierarch recently told me that Anglicanism has carried with it the seeds of its own destruction from the day Henry VIII established it...but I have to say, this time with all due and real respect to the Orthodox hierarch, that any group which could produce a +JC Ryle had and likely has elements of holiness worthy of both note and profound respect by both Latins and the Orthodox.
“Dont leave us in the dark, K. - tell us what you really think!”
You ask too much, dear lady! You, of all people, know how timid, shy, retiring and wall flower-like I tend to be!
How does one dialog with such?
what about William White, Chaplain of the Continental Congress and 1st Presiding Bishop, and all those early Bishops. One of the first things they did was to scratch out the King’s name from all the prayer books and substitute the American leaders. Samuel Seabury, the first American Bishop consecrated at a midnight mass by the bishops in Scotland, much to the dismay of the Church of England and their Primate - George VIII
That’s you, tentative and retiring ...
Some of Anglican Primates, such as dear Abp. Akinola in Africa, are sounding very Orthodox, at least to my half-educated ears.
“said he has recruited professional mediators in trying to reach greater understanding “
(panic) ABANDON SHIP!
“Some of Anglican Primates, such as dear Abp. Akinola in Africa, are sounding very Orthodox, at least to my half-educated ears.”
Some of what he says really is quite Orthodox and he certainly is a brave hierarch, living daily with threats from Mohamedans to his community and frankly to himself. His armor is The Faith as he understands it. Compare him to the prancing sissies, sob sisters, limp wrists and fellow travelers of most of First World Anglicanism!
But, TC, if you want Orthodoxy in Anglican dress, read Bishop Ryle! He was sublimely Orthodox in a Victorian evangelical Anglican way. His “tracts” are abslutely incredible.
I quite concur!
Abandoned almost a quarter-century ago. Anglicanism is not dependent upon, nor need it bow to, the Arch-druid.
IV (and a disgrace he was, too)
I'm missing two, somehow . . . < g >
Also, George III was never the Primate - that is the Archbishop of Canterbury. During his time, there were eight (he reigned for 60 years).
I’ve enjoyed some of Bp. Ryle’s writing that Sionnsar has posted ... and I think I have a book somewhere on the shelves. Bp. Ryle is popular with the neo-Puritan Protestants, although they’d probably have a cow about his sacramental theology, if they bothered to look into it.
Yes, the Anglican Bishops didn't come from a tradition strong enough that it produced leaders like Pilla. Or Popes like Alexander VI or John XII.
Wow, Prince Charles looks just like King George VI - only more so, if you know what I mean ...
Too bad he doesn’t ACT like him . . . George VI was a Good King.
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