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Archbishop: No Change Over Gay Bishop
AP via SFGate ^ | 12/14/7 | ROBERT BARR, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 12/14/2007 2:42:25 PM PST by SmithL

LONDON, United Kingdom (AP) -- The archbishop of Canterbury said Friday he will not reverse his decision to exclude a gay U.S. bishop from joining other bishops at a global Anglican gathering next year.

The office of Archbishop Rowan Williams said he also had not changed his mind about refusing an invitation to Martyn Minns, a traditionalist U.S. priest who was consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Church of Nigeria to minister to disaffected Episcopalians in the U.S.

Williams, spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans, said he has recruited professional mediators in trying to reach greater understanding between the U.S. Episcopal Church and its critics both at home and abroad.

The Anglican Communion is a 77-million-member fellowship of churches that trace their roots to the Church of England. The Episcopal Church, the Anglican body in the U.S., caused an uproar in 2003 by consecrating the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.

Anglicans are now on the brink of schism, and attendance at next year's assembly, called the Lambeth Conference, has become a focus of the tension. Theological conservatives and liberals have separately threatened to boycott the meeting because of who was and wasn't invited.

Williams dedicated his Advent message to the crisis. He said that just under half of world Anglican leaders have not accepted the pledges by the Episcopal Church that it won't confirm any more gay bishops for now or approve official prayers for same-sex unions.

"We simply cannot pretend that there is now a ready-made consensus on the future of relationships between (the Episcopal Church) and other provinces,"

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: ecusa; homosexualbishop; lambeth; martynminns; rowanwilliams; schism; vickiejean; virginia
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To: AnAmericanMother; Tax-chick
George VI was a worthy successor to his rather disgusting older brother Edward.

Prince Charles resembles, in one way, his ancestor George IV, who married a charming socialite, only to see his marriage deteriorate due to the infidelities of both parties.

21 posted on 12/15/2007 9:20:06 AM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Clemenza

Good points, both of you. George V also has a similar facial structure, although it’s harder to see behind the tonsorial flourishes. Both of them were quite decent gentlemen ... dull in a *good* way :-).

George IV was in a position similar to Prince Charles’s: he was Crown Prince (and later regent) for so many years, and didn’t take the throne until he was an old man.


22 posted on 12/15/2007 9:39:24 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: SmithL; ahadams2; MBWilliams; showme_the_Glory; blue-duncan; brothers4thID; sionnsar; ...
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23 posted on 12/15/2007 11:02:48 AM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: blue-duncan
“Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, leader of the Episcopal Church, said in a statement that she has “repeatedly offered to engage in dialogue with those who are most unhappy,” but her offer “has not yet been seriously engaged.”

Lies, all lies.

The Presiding Bishop's "dialogue" consists of vicious litigation directed at anyone who dares to disagree with the Party line.

24 posted on 12/15/2007 11:06:48 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

George VI was small in stature, and a man with no ambition to be king. Not an imposing figure, but a man of courage. They called him “George the Good.” Lucky enough to be married to a good, strong woman. Elizabeth like her mother, and in her day as pretty as a movie star. At the time of her coronation esembled Deborah Kerr. I think.


25 posted on 12/15/2007 12:03:45 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I’m missing two, somehow . . . < g >

You mustn’t have read Nostradamus Criswell Thackeray’s The Next Four Georges.

26 posted on 12/15/2007 12:13:14 PM PST by dighton
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To: Clemenza

“Harris, I am not well. Get me a glass of brandy.”


27 posted on 12/15/2007 12:46:34 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: dighton
LOL! I wrote a paper on Lord Grenville for my American Revolution class in college. The First Four Georges was a main source!
28 posted on 12/15/2007 1:53:32 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Williams is surely no +Nicholas of Myra who slugged Arius at the Council of Nicea. He is no +Athanasius the Great or +John Chrysostomos who suffered exile and death for their Orthodoxy. He is no champion of Anglican Christianity like countless known and unknown hierarchs and preachers and missionaries and martyrs. What would a bishop like +JC Ryle think of this spineless character? This man is more than a heretic and more heretical than merely the ArchDruid; he's a clown, a pathetic clown worthy only of contempt from "orthodox" (let alone "Orthodox") Christians.

Well put. Williams is a bureaucrat who sucks up to the British elite on whom he is dependent for his job. Like most bureaucrats, his chief concern is to preserve organizational "structure" rather than doctrinal integrity. How characteristic that he is hiring a team of mediation consultants - just to show his masters in the British Labor Party that he is doing something.

29 posted on 12/15/2007 3:22:20 PM PST by BusterBear
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To: dighton
LOL!

Is that William Makepeace's cousin that he never would talk about?

30 posted on 12/15/2007 3:40:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: SmithL; Huber; sionnsar; lightman; Kolokotronis

I have some advice for Archbishop Rowan Williams, which he of course will not take: invite Bishop Martyn Minns but not “bishop” “Selfish Gene” Robinson. Repent and embrace orthodox Christianity, or else the Anglican Communion as we have known it goes down the tubes.


31 posted on 12/15/2007 3:45:31 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

V at least looks like a guy!


32 posted on 12/15/2007 4:14:53 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: Tax-chick

The resemblance is uncanny.


33 posted on 12/15/2007 4:15:42 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: altura; Tax-chick
I think their facial features are somewhat similar, but really their expression is completely different.

That was an official royal portrait of George VI, that I grabbed in a hurry. Badly painted, and photographed from an awkward angle. This photograph of George VI in his naval uniform is a much better likeness:

If you compare that picture with feckless Charles, you can see the strength of character in his grandfather that he so sadly lacks.

(and I didn't pick a bad picture of Charles on purpose. That is his OFFICIAL photo on the Royal website!)

34 posted on 12/15/2007 4:37:56 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: altura
"V at least looks like a guy!"

Speaking of uncanny resemblances, look at this photo of Georgie and his cousin Nicky (who didn't come to a good end at all)!


35 posted on 12/15/2007 4:38:38 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Nicholas’s mother Dagmar (Maria Feodorovna, wife of Alexander III of Russia) and Queen Alexandra, George V’s mother, were sisters, daughters of King Christian IX of Denmark.


36 posted on 12/15/2007 4:49:56 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Honorary Serb; Kolokotronis
Repent and embrace orthodox Christianity, or else the Anglican Communion as we have known it goes down the tubes.

In my humble opinion it already has, a long time ago. (I have a declared bias in the matter, having departed from ECUSA and the wwAC a quarter-century ago). Too much was compromised in the name of "unity," which simply allowed the American infection to spread to Canada, New Zealand and Mother Church.

The wwAC either needs to reform itself and become what it is not at present, or it will not be worth membership.

37 posted on 12/15/2007 4:54:13 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: AnAmericanMother

“Nicholas’s mother Dagmar (Maria Feodorovna, wife of Alexander III of Russia) and Queen Alexandra, George V’s mother, were sisters, daughters of King Christian IX of Denmark.’

Which, of course, is why Nicky and Georgie were cousins.


38 posted on 12/15/2007 4:59:48 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Can you say, inbreeding???


39 posted on 12/15/2007 7:48:25 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: altura; Kolokotronis; AnAmericanMother
Can you say, inbreeding???

I think "propinquity" is a little more polite :-)!

And I still think Charles looks exactly like King George VI, except that the distinctive features are even more distinctive on Charles. He's like a caricature of George!

40 posted on 12/16/2007 5:16:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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