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History Channel - "How The Earth Was Made" dosumentary raises many questions in my mind
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Posted on 12/31/2007 5:40:23 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD

So last night (Sunday, 12/30/07) I get ready in front of the T.V. at 8 p.m. with my son to watch the very much hyped documentary on the History Channel titled "How The Earth Was Made". Since my son is a first-grader and very much into science, his main interests include Earth and the entire Solar System.

The two-hour documentary was fantastic, but it raised a key question in my mind and it made me, shall I say, more of a believer in God as Our Creator (not that I ever stopped 'believing', but I'm an open-minded person who believes both in evolution and creationism). However, this show changed my views. Let me explain:

Many of the scientists interviewed (and they had on the best scientists in the world) couldn't explain how water got to Earth. Or how Earth created water. So, they proposed that perhaps the water source came from outer space in asteroids. Because asteroids contain moisture, they stated that these massive rocks from outer space (many of them the length and width of Mt. Everest) created water after the hit the Earth.

Baloney. It is so obvious that none of these scientists want to admit that God was the creator of water and of everything that flourishes in this planet. They should would not or could not state it on the program.

Even my grandmother -- who is 96 years of age and saw the program in Puerto Rico -- said to me this morning that she thought the program lacked "any mention of God".

Anyone else see this show last night?


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: cometsaremostlyice; creationism; evolution; globalwarming; heatmeltsice; origins; religion; sheesh
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1 posted on 12/31/2007 5:40:27 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

two words...

“Big Bang”


2 posted on 12/31/2007 5:41:31 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Yeah I’ve watched it twice and liked it.

I don’t have any conflicts over religious belief or scientific belief. Sure God created it all, by what process is a whole different question.

Lets not forget that the genesis of the whole big bang theory was a Catholic priest and scientist.


3 posted on 12/31/2007 5:43:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
>couldn’t explain how water got to Earth

That is a joke. I hope.

Water did not “get” here, it was formed here.

4 posted on 12/31/2007 5:44:29 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: xcamel
This is about 12 billion years after the "big bang" ("In the beginning" part of the Bible), and about 4 billion years after this solar system coalesced.

So, with a solar system filled to the brim with comets made up mostly of water ice, if someone tells you meteorites brought in the water, I'd suggest he or she hadn't thought about it too much.

No doubt God created this part of the Multiverse.

5 posted on 12/31/2007 5:44:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bill1952

Well, yes, I know, but the way that these scientists were explaining it — it appears that water got here through an alien source - asteroids.

I don’t buy it.


6 posted on 12/31/2007 5:46:24 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (Hard lesson learned in the 1980's: "Never perm and dye your hair at the same time")
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

I don’t buy it.

I never did either. Some scientists are not smart.
Happy New Year, BTW. - Bill


7 posted on 12/31/2007 5:55:46 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: muawiyah
I solved the Hawking paradox at the same time. It was easy...once you realize if space-time “works in forward”, it can “work in reverse.”
8 posted on 12/31/2007 5:58:20 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: cripplecreek

[I don’t have any conflicts over religious belief or scientific belief. Sure God created it all, by what process is a whole different question.]

I am a degreed physicist and I, too, have no trouble with anyone’s God belief and science. Afterall, no one was here to winess and I can accept what I see. Any rational (read RATIONAL) discussion within scientific boundaries is fine with me.


9 posted on 12/31/2007 6:00:14 PM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

YEC INTREP


10 posted on 12/31/2007 6:04:20 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: dbacks

You are aware, of course, that the fuzzy wuzzies and the mullahs don’t want you asking “how” either.


11 posted on 12/31/2007 6:04:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dbacks

One thing I liked about the show was the fact that they didn’t seem to state that it was all fact. A very large portion of science is theoretical and a good scientist can admit that.

Stating theory as fact is one of the things that concern me about manmade global warming hysteria. I fear that it gives all science a bad name in the eyes of the public.


12 posted on 12/31/2007 6:20:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
You can not have it both ways.

The Bible can not be partially correct, for how do you decide what is correct in the Bible, that which you like, that which fits the way you wish to live?

Science has been slowly creating a false front of long and slow to make God and obsolete, since the 1700's.

The Bible is literal and should be taken as such, if you try to fit man's belief of misinterpretation and misrepresentation of the physical evidence that cries out of a supernatural creator, then you may as well put down your Bible and take up Buddhism.
13 posted on 12/31/2007 6:23:29 PM PST by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
I have seen this documentary and simply rejoiced in their choice of words for the title:

How the earth was made!

Having a fairly competent grasp of English, I couldn't believe it when I first saw it.

14 posted on 12/31/2007 6:38:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Creationist
The Bible is literal and should be taken as such, if you try to fit man's belief of misinterpretation and misrepresentation of the physical evidence that cries out of a supernatural creator, then you may as well put down your Bible and take up Buddhism.

Why not take up thinking, instead?

15 posted on 12/31/2007 6:39:16 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: xcamel
two words...
“Big Bang”

The funniest words for those Einsteins who insist on making a adversary controversy out of the discussion:

"First there was nothing...
...and then it exploded."

16 posted on 12/31/2007 6:41:27 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
Ah.. but there was something...
17 posted on 12/31/2007 6:44:09 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Misterioso
How witty.

Thinking is what I do. I believe the Holy Bible to be true, and that the visible evidence of the physical world can be best explained by a global flood around 4500 years ago, and the the universe and everything in it was created by God in six literal twenty-four hour days.

The physical evidence in the universe and this world all point to young, not long and slow.

Evolution is not real it does not happen it is a fable in the minds of those who believe they are god's of their own world.
18 posted on 12/31/2007 7:00:30 PM PST by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: Creationist

God’s what?


19 posted on 12/31/2007 7:10:52 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: xcamel

One of the three fundamental flaws to all the ‘theories’ you have just pointed out.

1) There had to be something there to explode.

2) The laws of physics have to be suspended for the explosion to occur. There is this little thing called an event horizon that has to be surpassed before matter could actually get out of the pull of the supermass. Otherwise, you have the ‘Big Puff’ not the ‘Big Bang’. However, all the scientific ‘evidence’ to the length of this time of no laws/reverse laws is still not long enough before the event horizon to kick in and suck everything back in.

3) The original poster’s comment about water is part three of the three flaws. The spinning velocity needed for the Earth to form from gas is too fast for water to have remained on the exterior of the surface, and not instead be trapped in the interior.


20 posted on 12/31/2007 7:57:46 PM PST by Lightfinger (Those that are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it. Progressive = National Socialist.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

“How the earth was made?”

So there were eyewitnesses, previously unknown, now coming forward? /sarc off

At best interesting academic questions and speculations which prove nothing. Someday we might land on Mars or even leave the solar system, but we will never know how the earth was made.
This “science” is mostly a Trojan Horse for secularism.


21 posted on 12/31/2007 7:57:48 PM PST by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Yes I saw it. They forgot the one about: If God made the earth, what did he stand on. Some of their ideas were on a par with that.Notice all their brainstorms try to avoid God as the great creator.


22 posted on 12/31/2007 8:43:47 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman

IAC, more humility is in order. Visting the McDonald obsrvatory years ago, I saw a video that made an indelible impression. An animation showed the necessity of the magnetic field that surrounds Earth. There it was, a tiny planet bathed in fire from the sun, and protected from incineration by its magnetic field. Here we are, tiny creatures on a speck of matter in the universe. YET we are able to speculate and to pretend to comprehend all the vastness of a universe that seems to grow exponentially as our telescopes—and our minds—reach out and out. These ARE god-like powers. Where do they come from?


23 posted on 12/31/2007 8:49:27 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Misterioso
Your religion?

I assume, sorry.

Is there is no God, that is the one of the Holy Bible.

So your faith is in, live as you please you are just worm food in the end, with, no God, no hope, no moral compass?

For if you believe that there is no God you have a faith based religion, that naturalistic ways created everything we see before our eyes, from nothing expanding into everything including life.
Whew!~ What a religion you have live as you please and do as you please with out the worry of how your actions affect others, Nice.

But why are you here? what is your purpose?
24 posted on 12/31/2007 9:29:22 PM PST by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: Creationist
then you may as well put down your Bible and take up Buddhism.

That's a good start to awakening.

25 posted on 12/31/2007 9:36:14 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: Creationist
Have you ever read the Ferror Fenton translation of the Bible. He read the New Testament for 40 years in Greek to get the feel of the language, then he translated the Greek into English. He did much the same thing with the Old Testatment and the original language it was written in.

Gen 1 By Periods* God created that which produced the Solar Systems; then that which produced the Earth. 2 But the Earth was unorganised and empty; and darkness covered its convulsed surface; while the breath of God rocked the surface of its waters. 3 God then said, "Let there be light;" and light came. 4 And God gazed upon that beautiful light; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And to the light God gave name of Day, and to the darkness He gave the name of Night. This was the close and the dawn of the first age.

*Literally "By Headships." It is curious that all translators from the Septugint have rendered this word, B'reshith, into the singular, although it is plural in the Hebrew. So I rendered it accurately. --F.F.

26 posted on 12/31/2007 9:52:13 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: ninonitti

One will never be awakened by an idol.


27 posted on 12/31/2007 11:01:47 PM PST by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: shield

The old testament is original in the Hebrew, so the Greek is a translation then another translation. I only adhere to the Hebrew text and it does not give rise to ages.


28 posted on 12/31/2007 11:04:37 PM PST by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: Creationist
One will never be awakened by an idol.

IMHO A limiting belief but hey that's only my mind talking and what is mind but an idol?

29 posted on 12/31/2007 11:10:14 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: Creationist

[The Bible is literal and should be taken as such, ]

That is where we differ and that is all I have to say on the subject.


30 posted on 01/01/2008 1:06:43 AM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: dbacks; Creationist
That is where we differ and that is all I have to say on the subject.

Then why say anything at all?

31 posted on 01/01/2008 1:15:36 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Then why say anything at all?

Is that all you have to say on the subject?

32 posted on 01/01/2008 1:46:38 AM PST by Misterioso
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Here’s something interesting about the Big Bang.

About 300,000 years after the BB, Hydrogen and Helium atoms started forming and the cosmic microwave background radiation was released.

The explosion was still preceding outwards at near the speed of light at the time, but the entire universe was contained in an area a little bigger than the Milky Way.

100 billion galaxies of matter all contained in an area a little bigger than the Milky Way - all proceeding outward at near the speed of light.

How come gravity did not take over at this point. How come stars were not already forming at this point. 100 billion galaxies of matter in a space less than 300,000 light years across results in a lot of gravity.


33 posted on 01/01/2008 7:22:53 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Even Einstein had a problem with the Big Bang, because it required him to admit that there was a beginning and he was a deist.

Take a look at the Anthropic Principle, which incorporates some of evolution with a design element and it makes more sense.

Scientists (atheist scientists, anyway) grasp at all kinds of theories to avoid the God concept. Hawking, for example, postulates that there are multiple universes so that the most improbably thing would eventually happen in one of them and thus create itself.

No one can explain why a mass of gas would explode and create matter out of it and why life emerged from non life. To suggest that we are a big cosmic accident takes a lot more faith than a belief in purpose, don’t you think?


34 posted on 01/01/2008 9:06:00 AM PST by skirmisher2006 (http://rememberingliberty.blogspot.com/)
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To: dbacks

Jesus taught in parables (metaphors), thus proving that the Bible is not always literal.


35 posted on 01/01/2008 9:06:02 AM PST by skirmisher2006 (http://rememberingliberty.blogspot.com/)
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To: xcamel
Then inflation.

Not if, but how He did it.

Guillermo Gonzalez & Jay W Richards, The Privileged Planet: How Our Place In The Cosmos Is Designed For Discovery

Great book and video.

36 posted on 01/01/2008 9:15:24 AM PST by onedoug
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To: xcamel
Video on Youtube, BTW.

Science and God. All Good to You and Yours.

37 posted on 01/01/2008 9:17:46 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

did they explain how water got on the asteroids, since they did not exist prior to the exploding nothingness of the Big Bang?


38 posted on 01/01/2008 9:39:34 AM PST by skirmisher2006 (http://rememberingliberty.blogspot.com/)
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To: Creationist

and the NT is largely Aramiac, since the apostles did not speak Greek. The primacy of the language is a source of contention for some scholars, but if you look at the aramaic to english translations, you can reason that they were first.


39 posted on 01/01/2008 9:39:34 AM PST by skirmisher2006 (http://rememberingliberty.blogspot.com/)
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To: skirmisher2006

No.


40 posted on 01/01/2008 9:43:01 AM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (Hard lesson learned in the 1980's: "Never perm and dye your hair at the same time")
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

typical. just ignore whatever you can’t explain and rationalize the rest. Sad what “science” has become.


41 posted on 01/01/2008 9:57:36 AM PST by skirmisher2006 (http://rememberingliberty.blogspot.com/)
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To: skirmisher2006

True.

They might “speculate” that the asteroids became moist in outer space because of the unbelievable cold temperatures. However, that “speculation” would be shot to hell if someone in the science community states that it is impossible for asteroids to continue to carry moisture if they are flying at the speed of light. Thus, at such high travel speed the temps could become hot within the ‘roid itself, killing all moistureness.

Explaining this is like explaining the Constitution or the Bible. Everyone interprets it as he or she wishes or desires, to cater to their own beliefs.

It struck me like a ton of bricks when I heard that scientist on Sunday night speculate about whether or not the ‘roids carried moisture. You could tell in his face that he was trying to feed the viewer some bullshit story.


42 posted on 01/01/2008 10:10:44 AM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (Hard lesson learned in the 1980's: "Never perm and dye your hair at the same time")
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To: Misterioso

Yep.


43 posted on 01/01/2008 11:56:33 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Creationist

Read my post again. I talked of the new testament in Greek...I stated he did the same in the Old Testament with the original language which was Hebrew. You have missed my point. Blessings....


44 posted on 01/01/2008 12:54:03 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Who is this Ferrar Fenton? Did he hold hold a job, have friends, wife and kids?


45 posted on 01/01/2008 5:29:10 PM PST by Daffy
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To: Daffy
He was an Englishman, other than that I do not know much about him. I just like to read his translation as I study the King James. His translation of the complete bible was completed around 1900.
46 posted on 01/01/2008 6:13:02 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: dbacks

That’s cool.


47 posted on 01/01/2008 6:58:58 PM PST by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: xcamel

Four words: “In the beginning God...”


48 posted on 01/01/2008 9:27:45 PM PST by kevinw
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To: Beowulf; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy
"Hot Air Cult"

~~Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ ping~~

49 posted on 01/01/2008 11:16:24 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
"Many of the scientists interviewed (and they had on the best scientists in the world) couldn't explain how water got to Earth. Or how Earth created water. So, they proposed that perhaps the water source came from outer space in asteroids."

The solar system is a condensation driven by the gravitational force from the remnants of a super nova explosion. Oxygen is one of the resultant elements that was created in the star before it blew. The oxygen would easily combine with hydrogen to form water. The formation of Earth as a condensation from the remnants of that super nova, would have included the interstellar water also. See this link for a survey of interstellar H2O.

50 posted on 01/01/2008 11:36:19 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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