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Keeping the flock faithful (Catholic priests in battle with Evangelicals for their flock)
Tampa Bay.com ^ | January 4, 2008 | SAUNDRA AMRHEIN

Posted on 01/05/2008 7:06:01 AM PST by NYer

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To: GoLightly
Good point.

Maybe the term has outlived its usefulness. The use here on FR got my attention because I was brought up in an organization which called itself the "Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America" and did so until after I was ordained, I think.

And, as I've said on FR before, it was at an acolytes festival at "Smoky Mary's" in NYC that I first saw candle racks and people praying to, ah, idols.

I've found that some Protestants on FR don't take kindly to that's being called "protestant", but that's what the piskies thought they were back then.

81 posted on 01/05/2008 4:59:02 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Thank-you and God Bless.


82 posted on 01/05/2008 5:03:05 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Zero Sum
A statement can be precise without being accurate, but it cannot truly be accurate without being precise.

You mean there's nothing like a slide fit with statements? If I tell you someone is an thin as a rail, it could be an accurate statement, yet it lacks precision.

83 posted on 01/05/2008 5:05:49 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly
What's a "slide fit"? Is that like when a cabinet maker gets out the 5 lb easing hammer and just, uh, taps that part in there a little?

But yeah, I think that's right by my questionable lights.

84 posted on 01/05/2008 5:13:52 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I don't think I ever went to church with my Piskie friends... the ones that made a big deal over the statue of Mary in front of St. Mary's Catholic Church (the church was their next door neighbor.

The Lutheran Church doesn't offically consider itself "Protestant". We're Reform. If someone calls me a protestant, I don't figure it's any big deal.

I think most Baptists are bothered when someone calls 'em "Protestant", specially those who claim their roots go back to John the Baptist.

85 posted on 01/05/2008 5:23:49 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Campion

NO!!


86 posted on 01/05/2008 5:33:09 PM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: phatus maximus

A thread seeking to reach an agreement on what is the definition of “”Protestant” with the sub-thread of who gets to make the call should be a good one.


87 posted on 01/05/2008 5:39:57 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
What's a "slide fit"? Is that like when a cabinet maker gets out the 5 lb easing hammer and just, uh, taps that part in there a little?

Your example would be more of a press fit. A slide fit allows for movement. Picture a hinge. The pin & the dealybobs that move around it would have a slide fit. The term is used for some kinds of bearings.

88 posted on 01/05/2008 5:44:23 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Zero Sum; Mad Dawg
I would posit that, hellish as Trenton may be, Hell itself is actually headquartered in Camden.

No comparison. < g >

89 posted on 01/05/2008 5:48:26 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

FOTFL


90 posted on 01/05/2008 5:49:20 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Mad Dawg
ANyway .... the teacher seemed to go with your usage rather than mine.

I'm not surprised, since I'm approaching this from an empirical/scientific view. From this view there is such a thing as absolute accuracy and absolute precision, but beyond that, things that don't achieve these ideals might be relatively more or less accurate or precise. Anyway--since you like talking about guns :) --perhaps this analogy might help:

Suppose you're shooting at a target, and you have impeccable aim, so you hit the bullseye every time: This is both accurate and precise. However, perhaps the scope isn't calibrated properly, so you might end up missing the bullseye while still hitting the same point consistently: This is precise but not accurate. On the other hand, if your aim is lousy then you'll be all over the map: This is neither accurate nor precise. Also, with this lack of precision, accuracy is impossible (you might get lucky with a shot, but you won't be able to do it consistently).

Now I'll admit that I'm not sure how well this can be applied to pure philosophy, since this understanding is generally applied to empirical data and not to abstract logic. But I can try! :)

91 posted on 01/05/2008 5:52:08 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Mad Dawg

“And was Jerusalem builded here // Among these dark satanic mills.”

I keep searching Youtube for ELP’s Jerusalem.


92 posted on 01/05/2008 5:54:39 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Mad Dawg
The FMJs ALL went through and through, while the HPs all failed to penetrate the entire dictionary but sho' tore up what they DID penetrate.

The Very Reason Why I carry .45 ACP . . . or .455 Webley. Big cross-section, heavy and slow wins out over small and fast, at least on energy delivered to the target. The great advantage to the Webley Mark VI is that if you run out of rounds, the revolver makes a great club (it must weigh 4 pounds empty and it's bigger than a breadbox).

Apropos of firearms stuff . . . we were out doing Cowboy Action Shooting today, only my second match, I was a little faster than the first time (but missed more). I've always been a 1911A1 and Garand and Rem 1100 person, so I had to learn to shoot single action revolvers, a lever action rifle, and a double barrel shotgun with no ejectors . . . which of course necessitated several visits to the gun shop < aw rats! >

93 posted on 01/05/2008 5:54:41 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother; All

Prayers and bed for me, guys. Bless you all.


94 posted on 01/05/2008 5:59:29 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GoLightly; livius
Oddly enough, Protestants frequently hold up Arians and other Arian-influenced heretics as what they refer to as the true (but submerged) Church that limped along in the shadows and didn’t emerge for 1400 years until the advent of Luther.

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So far in this thread I've read ... we don't believe in the Trinity (since we claim descent from Arians & it seems we have Luther to thank for that)

I'm no scholar on Luther, but I've never read anything that would suggest he had Arian sympathies. That would be news to me!

95 posted on 01/05/2008 5:59:55 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: GoLightly
If I tell you someone is an thin as a rail, it could be an accurate statement, yet it lacks precision.

That's a simile: It's meant to express something comparatively, but it's not literally true. Although I'm sure most people would understand what you meant if you said that. ;)

96 posted on 01/05/2008 6:06:14 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: CharentonChina
I just meant that Catholic services mention Mary more than Protestant ones do.

The ordinary, garden-variety Catholic daily Mass mentions Mary exactly once.

Mass on Sundays and major holy days (except those holy days which are specifically related to her) mentions her twice, but the second reference is in the Nicene Creed. One hopes that most Christians won't quibble with the idea that Jesus "by the power of the Holy Spirit, was born of the Virgin Mary". :-)

97 posted on 01/05/2008 6:08:46 PM PST by Campion
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To: Zero Sum
I'm no scholar on Luther, but I've never read anything that would suggest he had Arian sympathies. That would be news to me!

The Lutheran Church confesses the Nicaean, Apostles & Athanasian Creeds, so that would be a big NO on Arian sympathies.

98 posted on 01/05/2008 6:10:55 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Mad Dawg; GoLightly
I've found that some Protestants on FR don't take kindly to that's being called "protestant", but that's what the piskies thought they were back then.

That's because the Anglican Communion has its roots in the Reformation (I say this practically, but I know there are many Anglicans who would disagree). Anyway, when you call denominations that weren't born from the Reformation "Protestant", it probably strikes them as odd because they don't see themselves as protesters.

99 posted on 01/05/2008 6:14:54 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Biggirl
I do. The division is not a good thing. The hatred of the Catholic Church and of Christ is so embedded in some people it is sometimes shocking.
They are doing Satan's work for him.
100 posted on 01/05/2008 6:17:47 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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