Posted on 01/09/2008 1:45:44 PM PST by NYer
Gavin Newsom, the divorced San Francisco mayor who provoked a constitutional crisis in 2004 by granting marriage licenses to 4,000 same-sex couples, has chosen the historic Mission Dolores Basilica for a family Mass on the occasion of his inauguration to a second term.
Newsom and his family are scheduled to attend Mass at Mission Dolores tomorrow, Tuesday, Jan. 8, in what his press office is calling a “low-key” second inauguration. Following the Mass, his father, William Newsom, a retired state appellate judge, will administer the oath of office during a swearing-in ceremony at San Francisco City Hall.
Given his record, it is difficult to understand why Newsom would choose a Catholic church – or why any Catholic sanctuary would agree to it. In 2006, Newsom – who describes himself as a “lifelong Catholic” – cancelled a trip to Rome for the installation of former San Francisco Archbishop William Levada as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Newsom said he decided not to go in protest of the Church’s position against homosexuals adopting children.
"The idea, the principle that two loving parents of the same sex can't be great parents and that this church is now going to start attacking gay adoptions in this country and around the world was really disconcerting," Newsom told the San Francisco Sentinel.
Last year, Newsom scandalized even ultra-liberal San Francisco when he confessed to an affair with the wife of one of his closest and most trusted aides. Newsom admitted to a brief sexual fling with the wife of Alex Tourk, who at the time was manager of Newsom’s re-election campaign and previously a trusted member of the Newsom administration. Newsom said he had a drinking problem and that the affair occurred while he was undergoing a divorce from his first wife. Tourk resigned; Newsom entered a rehabilitation program.
On Feb. 23, 2007, Newsom issued the following proclamation: "Be it resolved that I, Gavin Newsom, Mayor of the City and County of San Francisco, congratulate Colt Studios on the occasion of their 40th anniversary and proclaim February 23, 2007, as Colt Studio Day in San Francisco!" Colt Studios is one of the largest purveyors of hardcore homosexual pornography in the world. Colt’s web site lures visitors by telling them to "come inside to experience the hottest man-on-man action."
Newsom also issued a proclamation welcoming the 2007 Folsom Street Fair, whose publicity mocked Christianity by lampooning the Last Supper. The publicity poster, which created a national outcry, showed Jesus and His disciples as leather clad homosexual sadomasochists who, instead of sharing bread and wine, were gathered around a table full of sex toys. The event honored by Newsom describes itself as “the world’s largest leather event.”
“Mission Dolores has always had a central place in the religious, civic, and cultural life of San Francisco,” says the Mission Dolores web site. “Misión San Francisco de Asís was founded June 29, 1776, under the direction of Father Junipero Serra and is both the oldest original intact Mission in California and the oldest building in San Francisco.
“True to its origins, the Basilica Parish of Mission Dolores remains an important part of the community as the center of a vibrant, diverse parish which ministers to all in need.”
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Newsom is Catholic? Who knew? When his former wife pantomimed oral sex at a public event, I would have never thought! I guess a San Francisco Catholic is a little more liberal than most.
Gavin was also having an affair with his best friend’s wife. Real Christian dude.
this is insane, and does not cause me to think well of Bp. Niederaur.
You were thinking well of him before this???
< Snicker >
No.
But I’m open to persuasion.
I’m sure they’ll have no trouble finding a gay priest to officiate.
Mary, Queen of the Americas, pray for us.
I’m afraid the answer will be, “Not a chance”.
I imagine the archbishop will not even lose a minute’s sleep over this. I wonder if the issue is even on his radar screen.
I mean, he would actually have to face scorn and ridicule for doing the right thing. Couldn’t have that, now could we! Better not to ruffle any feathers. Wouldn’t want to embarrass the mayor or make him feel bad!
By the way, I’m going to go look up how old the archbishop is, so I can begin to count down the days until his retirement!
What's to pray about??? Jesus will be at that Mass in person...
And that brings up a question...When a priest conjures up Jesus at a Mass, does Jesus have a choice which Mass He shows up at???
God is faithful, and He keeps His promises. He is omnipotent, and as long as the priest does what the Church does and has the faculties, Jesus is there. At least in the Latin/Western tradition, the form of the sacrament is "This is My Body" and "This is My Blood." Once the priest says that, the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ is present. Of course, that's the bare bones form of the consecration.
Gavin “Any Twosome” Newsom.
Jesus is there. He doesn’t like it much when people eat and drink of His Body and Blood unworthily. St. Paul had a few things to say about that.
Black Mass.
This is offensive. A priest doesn’t “conjure up” anything. Unless you are fully acquainted with the Catholic faith (I’d suggest a thorough reading of the Catechism of the Catholic Church first), please refrain from making these kinds of snide remarks.
Before another scandal erupts, the Vatican should be flooded with e-mails about this. Does anyone know the appropriate e-mail addresses of offcials to contact?
As a Catholic, I am disgusted at the media for getting involved in something that is none of anyone’s business. If the Mayor takes communion than he will have to explain it to God. I am sick of this who takes communion business. They started this back when Reagan tried to take communion or did take communion as a non Catholic (I don’t remember which why it resulted).
Well, he might have to explain it to God, but the bishop or priest who gives him communion should have to explain it to Rome. The mayor is a public figure who speaks and works against all of the teachings of the Catholic Church to which he supposedly belongs. He’s the source of scandal and in his public capacity misleads the faithful. This problem wasn’t created by the media, but by the mayor himself.
That said, if Abp Neiderauer has no problem giving Communion to a drag queen dressed as a nun, I’m not expecting him to have much of a problem with the mayor, either.
Big mistake. One shouldn't be enabling ignorance.
FYI, Donatism was an early heresy that held that only “worthy” priests could validly offer the Sacrament:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatism
You might find it an interesting historical study.
“The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?” 1 Corinthians 10:16 “Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.” 1 Corinthians 11:27-29
Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity. That means He is God; therefore, He is present at every Mass throughout the world at all times and in all places.
Yes it was...It tells the story of the Christian society being persecuted and subdued by Pagan Rome (Constantine)...It tells of religious leaders succumbing to the pagans and when the Pagans proclaimed leadership of the church, (with Constantine as head of the church), Constantine's church made the rules that the deserters of the original church were now in the positions of authority, under Constantine...
The original church was now apostate...
That's what we've been saying all along...Your church came out of Pagan Rome...It took over the church that Jesus founded and kicked out the original church...Your church burned their original bibles of the Donatists (all in the article) and killed off who they couldn't persuade to join the ranks of the pagan/church...
I would have been a Donatist...I can't understand why anyone would want to follow the pagan/Roman church instead of the church Jesus founded...
You need to read the the article at the link that Claud posted...
IIRC, iscool is a former Catholic. Iscool - didn’t you mention that once?
I guess you're a Restorationist??
The above is fiction, pure and simple. Constantine was never head of the Church.
Wow, so I guess all that stuff about "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" and "behold, I am with you always" were just a lot of fluff, not anything to believe or trust.
Congratulations, Iscool, you're well on your way toward becoming "IsMormon".
You didn't read very carefully. The article says that the Roman pagans under Diocletian burned Bibles, and they weren't Donatist Bibles, either, because the Donatist heresy arose after the traditors were restored to full fellowship in the Church.
But supposing your reading of the article were true ... that would mean that your Bible is in fact not "the original bible of the Donatists" and is corrupted. So how can you trust it?
Nope, not me...But had I ever been one, I'd be a former one...
After the Constantinian shift, when other Christians accepted the emperor as a leader in the church, the Donatists continued to see the emperor as the devil.
Couldn't say...I didn't write it...Appears to be Catholic written history which was recommended reading by one of your fellow Catholics...
If you did you’re homework, the term “Constantinian shift” is Anabaptist. Click on the link in the Wikipedia article.
In my view, you guys have misapplied this verse for a number of centuries...
After Jesus died, He went to Hell...Jesus unlocked the gates of a section of Hell where people were being held captive...From then on, all Christians will go to Heaven...Satan will never again hold believers captive behind the gates of Hell...
There are no cross references anywhere in the scripture to confirm your application of that verse...
And as far as 'I am with you always'; I don't see a problem with that verse...Jesus says he will always be with the body of Christ...I believe he has...
What your missing is that there apparently were NO Roman Catholics till after the church split...
The Donatists didn't change...They were the same before and after half their group quit under pressure and joined the Pagan Rome religion...
And with Pagan Rome in charge of everything, Rome established a NEW official church with deserters from the Donatists and put these 'traditors' in positions of authority who would elevate the Roman, Pagan emperor as the leader, and declared the original church as heretics...
Nope, not me...But had I ever been one, I'd be a former one...
Yes you did, Iscool. You claimed to have been a Catholic in this post you made in September:
benedictxvi@vatican.va
Oh, I guess it’s no problem if this thread descends into history quibbling, but regarding the original topic, if Newsom takes communion, it will be a grave scandal, which imho should be addressed by Rome, since the bishop is clueless.
The term could well have been, but the shift wasn't...
I remember that...I was jesting...Thought it would have been ovbious..Sorry...
What are you, a private detective???
Well, the fact is you said it, and that's what Patriotic1 was quizzing you about. And nobody on that thread took it as a joke. In fact, you were pinged a couple of times to clarify your statement but you didn't bother to respond.
What are you, a private detective???
I'm just a seeker of the truth.
I would agree with you wholeheartedly if it were a matter of secret, or even private, sin. Nobody's in a position to judge whether Jack and Jill have kept the Lenten fasts or even whether the Mayor has truly in his heart repented his adultery. (He says he has, and in charity we have to believe him.)
Where it really matters is where there is serious, public, unrepented sin, becdause this is something that wounds the whole Church via scandal --- wounds even you and me, the ordinary pewsitters.
With Newsome it's not the adultery thing. It's the official, public and deliberate acts in favor of public profitable pornography, in favor of sodomy-as-street-entertainment, in favor of the official authorization of perverse parodies of marriage.
These acts have not the least fig-leaf of privacy, and as blatant, open violations of Divine law authorized by the Mayor they corrupt and injure the whole Church.
Public dcandal requires public repentance, and Newsome has a lot to answer for. And if he's permitted to profane the Blessed Sacrament, Bishop Niederauer has a lot to answer for as well.
Merely an Emperor, which doesn't count for a whole lot in Eternity.
HIs ending of the persecution of Christians was an act of justice comparable to that of Cyrus (a pagan) and Darius (a pagan.) May God have mercy on them, and on us all.
I'm "missing" it because you're imagining it.
The Donatists didn't change...They were the same before and after half their group quit
Not only did they "change," they didn't even exist at all until the one Church moved to re-admit the repentant traditors.
Rome established a NEW official church with deserters from the Donatists and put these 'traditors' in positions of authority
This is fantasy, not history.
who would elevate the Roman, Pagan emperor as the leader
But that never happened, so your fantastic mythology is just that.
All of the so-called "reformers" pointed to Augustine of Hippo as their inspiration. Know who the Donatists' biggest enemy was? The very same Augustine of Hippo. Augustine was no traditor; neither was his mentor, Ambrose of Milan.
The verse refers to the gates of hell not prevailing against Christ's church, not to the fate of individual believers.
I wasn't suggesting Constantine was the spiritual leader of your church...
But apparently Constantine approved or denied church policy on one hand and dictated church policy on the other...
But he was not like Nero and was rather more like Cyrus. Which is why I can express a rather more friendly sentiment in his case: May God have mercy on him.
You are massively distorting the Wikipedia article. Here's the relevant quote:
Many church leaders had gone so far as to turn Christians over to Roman authorities and had handed over sacred religious texts to authorities to be publicly burned.The *authorities* means the pagan Romans, not the Church. Diocletian had passed a law against Christianity and commanded the Scriptures to be burnt. So when the persecution raged, some Christians panicked and handed over their own Bibles *to the Emperor's men* to be burnt. This was before Constantine, so your quaint little fiction about some sort of weird pagan/Christian amalgam hadn't even have happened yet.
And this nonsense about pagans "taking over the Church"....I suppose you have historical evidence to back this up....*from the time period* in question????
Evidence, my friend, show me evidence!!!
Wow. For a moment, I thought I had lost it. See Iscool, even those of us who don’t tend to post to you remember what you write.
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