Posted on 01/12/2008 5:42:13 AM PST by NYer
ROME (CNS) -- At the start of a visit to Italy, excommunicated Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo was denied Communion when he attended a Mass at a local parish church near Naples. The former Zambian archbishop and his wife, Maria Sung, attended an early evening Mass at a local church in Pompeii Jan. 10, one day after his arrival in Italy from South Korea. When the archbishop approached the celebrant -- Father Francesco Soprano -- he refused the Eucharist to the archbishop, who then reportedly blessed the celebrant and lightly touched his head, according to Italian media reports. Archbishop Milingo, who was married in a Unification church ceremony in 2001, was excommunicated by the Vatican in 2006 for illicitly ordaining married men. While he is excommunicated, the archbishop cannot receive the Eucharist or any sacrament of the church. The 77-year-old former archbishop of Lusaka was to be in Italy Jan. 9-27 to promote a new book, meet with supporters of his U.S.-based Married Priests Now! movement, and attend to various medical visits.
Ping!
Thank You, Lord, for priests like Father Francesco Soprano.
God bless Fr. Soprano! And by this holy discipline, bring Bp Milingo to repentance and conversion of heart.
Bada Bing! Way to go Fr. Soprano!
I am amazed Milingo presented himself for communion.
I am amazed a person with his obvious rebellious tendencies every became an archbishop in the first place.
Amen again ans again. More American priests need to follow suit.
Because I and Timothy both agree with the former archbishop of Lusaka.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry . . .
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Seminarians VOLUNTARILY take a vow to be celibate. No one is forbidden to marry. If Milingo wanted to marry he could have simply left the religious life behind.
It is a requisite of their religious order but never one of God.
It has led to rampant homosexuality, child molestation, and overwhelming corruption in the majority of religious faiths.
They shall soon be destroyed.
You wrote:
“It is a requisite of their religious order but never one of God.”
1) It is expected of most, but not all seminarians.
2) God gave the Church authority to ordain.
“It has led to rampant homosexuality, child molestation, and overwhelming corruption in the majority of religious faiths.”
False. Celibacy does not lead to homosexuality. St. Paul was celibate. Do you think he was a homosexual? How about Jesus? He was celibate. Do you think he was a homosexual too? Jesus praised those who chose celibacy to better serve God. Did you know that? Do you know where the verse is in the Bible or should I help you find it?
Also, celibacy does NOT lead to child molestation. Again, do you think St. Paul and Jesus were involved in that sort of perversion? There is no link, whatsoever, between the two. Some Protestant ministers - thousands in fact - have molested kids. They weren’t celibate. Sexual perversion does not begin with celibacy, nor is it necessarily ended by it either. There was a point in your life when you were not married. Were you out there molesting kids? I doubt it.
Also, celibacy does NOT lead to corruption. There is simply no link between the two things.
“They shall soon be destroyed.”
God has no intention of destroying the Church He made. The Catholic Church will remain until the end of time.
First of all The First Epistle of Saint Paul to Timothy was written by Saint Paul, not Saint Timothy. Second of all, in Saint Paul's instructions to Timothy in how to discharge his duties as Bishop of Ephesus, you think you've stumbled across a smoking gun. However, all you've done is come across the same passages of Scripture that trip up all of you linguistic literalists who never bother to do your homework.
"It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher," 1 Timothy 3:2
"Chapter 3, Verse 2 Of one wife. The meaning is, not that every bishop should have a wife (for St. Paul himself had none) but that no one should be admitted to the holy orders of bishop, priest, or deacon, who had been married more than once." Saint Jerome
"Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth." 1 Timothy 4:3
"Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats. He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Encratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the Church of God, so far from condemning marriage, holds it a holy sacrament and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons, though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance." Saint Jerome (emphasis added for your much needed edification)
You and Milingo should reform that band Simple Minds because you two certainly have the gray matter to fill the bill to a "T".
What's your explanation for the behavior of all these protestants and public school employees?
You really need to get a clue.
LOL!
Not another “if they would only allow priests to get married...” jokester!
yes...I guess the schools are not allowing teachers to get married these days?
When did the non-catholic clergy go celibate?
This is news to me!
I look forward to the day that refusal of communion to those who publicly violate church teaching no longer makes news because it is no longer a rare event.
It was the acceptance of homosexuals to the priesthood along with the relaxed sexual morals of the culture that lead to the sexual abuse crisis in the Church.
You wrote:
“An organization of single men that spans from roman culture,...”
The priesthood comes from Christ - not Roman culture.
“...unwatched, unchecked with some self proclaimed authority and access to young boys upon which to sate their perverted lusts, from which to build their ranks and spread their filth.”
That’s not even a sentence. You’re rambling.
“The catholic church is one of the most foul, corrupt, filthy entities under the heavens.”
Uh, no, actually it isn’t. What you condemn as foul founded the first hospitals, the first universities, etc.
“Timothy was the book from which I sourced.”
I never doubted it. I think you meant to address that comment to someone else.
“I doubt that this would have occurred amongst a group of married men.”
But it has. Look at the Episcopal Church (especially in the US and Canada) and you’ll see it has happened.
“Most of the splinter cells broke away in disgust but they over time have also been inundated as well as governments and schools.”
What? Are you in your bunker right now, because your message isn’t coming through very clearly? What’s the frequency Kenneth?
“I might not be the brightest bulb in the box, but I can usually discern between good and evil, right and wrong.”
No, apparently not. If you could you would realize that there is no association between celibacy in itself and child molestation. If there was then you too would have been a child molester sometime in your life because yuou must have been unmarried at one point. Jesus never married and yet I doubt you would suggest he molested children. You would say the same thing for St. Paul. I know a number of fine priests and have no reason whatsoever to believe they’ve ever harmed a single child in their lives. And yet, almost every day, I see in the newspaper or online that teachers are being arrested all over the country for child molestation and almost all of them - whether male or female - are married.
“The catholic church is not that kingdom that shall break all others or endure forever. That was promised to David and only on condition of obedience.”
The Catholic Church has been around for 2,000 years. It will outlast you and whatever sect you belong to. You’ll just have to accept that because you can’t refute it, and can’t change it.
“Ezekiel 34:16 . . . I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.”
Yes, God will. You, however, will accomplish no more than you already have.
Do you consider Archbishop Milingo a believer? Is he a bona fide follower of Jesus Christ?
Does Archbishop Milingo preach heresy? Does he deny the Lordship of Christ? Does he deny the Incarnation or the Resurrection?
Unless it has gone unreported, Archbishop Milingo’s only “crime” is to challenge Rome’s celibacy policy. If this is worthy of denying him Holy Communion, then why is Ted Kennedy still welcome?
So an archbishop that ordained married men cannot receive the Eucharist, but Ted Kennedy can?
“Unless it has gone unreported, Archbishop Milingo’s only “crime” is to challenge Rome’s celibacy policy. If this is worthy of denying him Holy Communion, then why is Ted Kennedy still welcome?”
Let’s put it this way: (You do know he joined up the that well known whacko Moonie Sun Yung Moon and his cult, right?)
I personally think he’s gone insane.
He sneaks around and can’t be found,
Until he’s on TV...
He takes a Moonie for a wife,
Embracing heresy;
And underneath his mitre,
Seems his lost his sanity.
I heard him once professing Docetism.
He’s always breaking canons
But his penitence is real
He’s always late for everything
Except for every meal
I hate to have to say it
But I very firmly feel
Milingo’s even worse than Charlie Curran!
I’d like to say a word in his behalf
(then say it, Sr. Margaretta)
Milingo makes me… laugh.
How do you solve a problem like Milingo?
How do you make a bishop keep in line?
How do you find a word that means Milingo?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o’-the wisp! A clown!
If bishops are dogs, Emmanuel is a dingo
Which even a German Shepherd couldn’t tame.
So how do you make him stay
And shut up for just one day?
How do you keep a crosier from his hand?
Oh, how do you solve a problem like Milingo?
How do you keep a Moonie’s feet on land?
When I’m with him I’m distressed
Things he blesses don’t seem blessed
And you never know what stunt he’s pulling next
He’s defiant as M. Luther
Wacky as Rosemary Reuther
He’s a bishop! He’s a nutcase! He’s a wreck!
He’s a Gnostic without Gnoss
Like a crosier sans a cross
He could make a Trappist hermit scream out loud
He is funny, he wild
Pray his wife is not with child!
He’s a headache, he’s amusing
He’s a looooooon
How do you solve a problem like Milingo?
How do you make a bishop keep in line?
How do you find a word that means Milingo?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o’-the wisp! A clown!
Many a thing you know you’d like to tell him:
Celibacy’s not just a papal whim
So how do you make him stay
And shut up for just one day?
How do you keep a crosier from his hand?
Oh, how do you solve a problem like Milingo?
How do you keep a Moonie’s feet on land?
http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/09/how_do_you_solv.html
Unless I have it wrong, Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham wouldn’t be preaching from a Baptist pulpit if they joined the Moonies and by doing so announced they believed Moon is Christ.
I could be wrong. That would be their only “crime” I guess.
“Does Archbishop Milingo preach heresy? Does he deny the Lordship of Christ? Does he deny the Incarnation or the Resurrection?”
FYI
Docetism
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm
A heretical sect dating back to Apostolic times. Their name is derived from dokesis, “appearance” or “semblance”, because they taught that Christ only “appeared” or “seemed to be a man, to have been born, to have lived and suffered. Some denied the reality of Christ’s human nature altogether, some only the reality of His human body or of His birth or death.
I could be wrong, but I think this fits the concept of heresy.
I am aware of what docetism is. Promoting it is a denial of the Incarnation. I am not aware of whether or not Archbishop Milingo preaches it. If he does, then he promotes heresy.
My point is that opposing clerical celibacy is not in and of itself heresy. It is simply opposition to the practice of the Roman Church. Archbishop Milingo chose to get married and, from my understanding, voluntarily left the Roman Church. Unless he has committed heresy or apostacy, nothing else can be held against him.
“Unless he has committed heresy or apostacy, nothing else can be held against him.”
You can read the comments on Canon Law here:
http://www.canonlaw.info/2006/09/this-time-milingo-made-it-easy-two.html
Take it up with him. I’m not a Canon lawyer. I’m happy this has happened.
We need more actions like the one taken against Milingo. The Holy Spirit is cleaning house.
No, the Holy Spirit is not cleaning house. The Vatican is cleaning house. Ordaining to the episcopate married men is not the same as preaching that Christ is not fully human. It is not a good idea to elevate institutional policy (even if it is implemented for the best of intentions) to the same status as divinely revealed Truth.
Unless you can present a legitimate instance of this man preaching something contrary to the teachings of the prophets, apostles and the Lord Himself, there is no basis to condemn him to eternal damnation.
The Roman Church is perfectly within its rights to insist that its leaders and members adhere to the policies it sets in order to advance its ministry. Archbishop Milingo has chosen not to adhere to those policies, and he has chosen to leave the Roman Church. That does not, however, mean he has abandoned the Christian Faith.
Doesn’t the fact he married is a mass moony ceremony kindof point to his rejection of christian teaching?
Who has condemned him to eternal damnation?
I am not aware of the particulars of his marriage. An association with the moonies certainly is questionable at best.
That’s what excommunication is.
If he is condemned to "eternal damnation" it isn't the Church who is putting him there. The purpose of excommunication is to correct the offender and guide him back to the Church.
“The Roman Church is perfectly within its rights to insist that its leaders and members adhere to the policies it sets in order to advance its ministry.”
So, what’s your beef?
No one has condemned him to eternal damnation.
If he has expressed interest in your particular faith, you are more than welcome to him.
Yes.
He voluntarily became a priest -and then a bishop, and voluntarily took the vows that go along with all that.
He then turned up his nose at the Church, and got married at a moony ceremony.
It wasn’t just a violation of his vows, it was also a rejection of his Church.
There was a brief period where the Pope attempted to reconcile with him. He stayed in Rome - and may have apologized.
But that didn’t last long. He reunited with his wife, and decided his new mission would be to travel about and tell the Church what was what.
These are the actions of an unbalanced person who has delusions of grandeur.
He knows he’s been excommunicated. He knows what it would take to truly be able to receive communion again.
He doesn’t even have to become a priest.
He could go to confession. He could received a release from his vows. He could have his marriage blessed by the church.
But no - he presents himself for communion so he can become a victim.
And I’ll add to that one more.
Excommunication prevents the person from committing the sin of sacrilege.
It is done out of respect for the Body and Blood of Christ which we believe is present in the eucharistic sacrifice, and it also prevents the person from digging a deeper hole.
A priest’s primary duty is to the eucharistic sacrifice, and this priest acted appropriately by recognizing his responsibility.
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