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Compare and Contrast (FSSP vs. Jesuits)
WTPRS ^ | 1/17/2008 | Fr. Z.

Posted on 01/17/2008 12:11:34 PM PST by Pyro7480

I was sent these by e-mail from a reader

This is the FSSP in a gathering in 2006:


This is the 2008 General Congregation of Jesuits in Rome:

 



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; fssp; jesuits
This is just sad.
1 posted on 01/17/2008 12:11:38 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 01/17/2008 12:12:12 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

I don’t get it. What’s different about the gatherings, aside from the Jesuits not wearing the black robes, and there being one black woman up front in their picture?

(No insult intended, I’m seriously curious. I’m Protestant and don’t even know who the FSSP are.)

}:-)4


3 posted on 01/17/2008 12:16:41 PM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: Pyro7480


Solid, orthodox Catholic priests





Business meeting at XYZ Corporation
4 posted on 01/17/2008 12:25:17 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Moose4

I think the one you think is a black woman is really an East Asian man: Malaysian, maybe, or Bengali.

The FSSP is a traditionalist, Latin-using order, while the Jesuits symbolically represent Modernity.


5 posted on 01/17/2008 12:29:46 PM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Tax-chick

Ack! You’re right, TC, I’m embarassed at misidentifying that man. And I’m on a nice 19” LCD monitor at work, not my piece of junk at home, so I can’t use that as an excuse!

Thanks for the info.

}:-)4


6 posted on 01/17/2008 12:31:02 PM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: Moose4
Overall, the FSSP (which is the Latin abbreviation for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter) is younger and they dress like the priests they are.

The Jesuits, on the other hand, show their "progressivist" tendencies by dressing in ordinary clothing and are older.

7 posted on 01/17/2008 12:31:22 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Moose4

No problem. My first thought was, “Who’s that lady?” too :-).


8 posted on 01/17/2008 12:32:29 PM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Moose4
I don’t get it. What’s different about the gatherings, aside from the Jesuits not wearing the black robes, and there being one black woman up front in their picture?

Well, the major difference is that the Jesuit conference could be easily mistaken for an AARP meeting.
9 posted on 01/17/2008 12:32:33 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Mitt Romney)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Business meeting at XYZ Corporation

Not quite. At a business meeting most, if not all, of the attendees would be in suits and ties. I don't see a single necktie, let alone a clerical collar on anybody in that photo.

10 posted on 01/17/2008 12:34:52 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Moose4
FSSP =Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, a society of priests outstanding for their loyalty to the Pope and to the faith and morals of the Church. They're mostly young, and they look like priests.

Jesuits = Society of Jesus, an order of priests founded in the 16th century, once outstanding for their loyalty to the Pope, but recently ---meh--- not so much. They're mostly old, not a cross in sight nor any other symbol of the clerical state, and they look like the Rotary Club ("Not that there's anything wrong with that.")

It reminds me of a picture I saw of Fr. Hans Kung chatting with some lady at the World Council of Churches. He looked like a bank manager or Creflo Dollar or something; and she, of course, was in clericals. Thanks for asking.

11 posted on 01/17/2008 12:45:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Moose4

Besides the dress difference, the age difference is really striking.

Look at all the orthodox orders and they are all well represented by the young.FSSP, LOC, etc. all have a ton of young preists and young seminarians and those that are further from Rome have a bunch of old soon to be has beens.

I wish the Jesuits would return to their founder’s vision, it would be great for the church.


12 posted on 01/17/2008 12:57:28 PM PST by CTK YKC
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To: Pyro7480

My goodness, what a contrast! I’m surprised that there isn’t anyone in the Jesuits who fells that clerics should wear clerical garb. Surely there are some good Jesuits out there, some Cardinal Dulles, Father Fessio, Mitch Pacwa Jesuits?


13 posted on 01/17/2008 1:00:28 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Convert from ECUSA
The only mercy is that the Jesuits (with a couple of exceptions but only a couple) look like a retirement home, while there are plenty of young energetic looking fellows in the F.S.S.P.

We have an F.S.S.P. parish here. They are great! When Summorum Pontificum was coming out, their rector did what my husband calls the "Travelling Latin Mass Medicine Show" . . . at the Archbishop's invitation, he brought his altar servers, deacons and Schola to various parishes and the Cathedral, just to show the younger faithful what a Latin Mass looks like.

They seem to have been interested, because the crowds kept increasing. The Mass at the Cathedral was S.Rp

14 posted on 01/17/2008 1:25:42 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
That's not some weird ecclesiastical abbrevation.

I meant to say S.R.O. and my keyboard slipped . . . < g >

15 posted on 01/17/2008 1:30:38 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Moose4
and there being one black woman up front in their picture?

That's not a woman.

That's part of the problem.

16 posted on 01/17/2008 2:53:25 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Tax-chick

Even if that person was female, we should paraphrase Frank Sinatra and say: That was no lady, that was a Jesuit.


17 posted on 01/17/2008 3:26:00 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

LOL! Always a pleasure to cross paths with you, BlackElk!


18 posted on 01/17/2008 3:28:13 PM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: AnAmericanMother

The closest FSSP parish to me is Chesapeake, VA (Norfolk, VA) which is about 180 miles or so southeast of where I live in Arlington (DC Metro area). I’ve contributed regularly to them. While I still like the parish I’ve been attending since 9/2003, I miss the wonderful Irish dreadnought pastor who brought me into the Church. I’d love to have an FSSP chapel/parish in Arlington or Fairfax counties in VA.


19 posted on 01/18/2008 4:28:05 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: BlackElk
"That was no lady, that was a Jesuit."

ROFL! Excellent!
20 posted on 01/18/2008 4:28:55 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: ELS

I’ve attended business meetings where nobody had on neckties. Which is neither here nor there since I was trying to make the point that the Jesuit picture looked like some type of secular meeting.


21 posted on 01/18/2008 4:30:20 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Sounds like fertile ground for Summorum Pontificum. Do you suppose there's a sympathetic priest and sufficient critical mass, so to speak, to get a service off the ground? One of our parochial vicars is studying with the F.S.S.P. priest so that he can offer the Latin Mass.
22 posted on 01/18/2008 12:22:49 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Bishop Loverde did permit two parishes to have Latin Masses, the parish in Front Royal and one in Franconia (near Springfield, VA) back in 2006. The Diocese of Arlington has had a reputation over the years for being one of the more conservative diocese. I’m hoping that with Pope Benedict’s encouragement of use of the Latin Mass of 1962 that the FSSP might be able to some in to the Diocese. After the Pope’s further encouragement of the Latin Mass, a parish in McLean also started having the Latin Mass (1962 version). I think there are a number of priests that are sympathetic, but I’m not sure if there is sufficient critial mass among the laity in the Diocese. I have a feeling that there is a lot of behind-the-scenes politics in the Diocese that may mean a slow and perhaps grudging permitting more parishes having the TLM in the future.


23 posted on 01/18/2008 12:35:43 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Gosh . . . well, if you're ever in Atlanta . . . .

We had an absolutely amazing Christmas Mass. Lots of great music, and Monsignor let us sing the Mozart "Spaurmesse" in C Major in its entirety as the Ordinary of the Mass. And gave us a plug afterwards . . . told the congregation this was a "rare opportunity to hear Mozart's Mass as it was intended to be heard."

We're going to be living off that music until Ash Wednesday . . . .

24 posted on 01/18/2008 6:54:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Convert from ECUSA; BlackElk
OK, I gotta run in my Usual Jesuit Graphic here . . .

"Are you a good Jesuit . . . or the other kind?"

25 posted on 01/18/2008 7:00:34 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Pyro7480

As I understand it, in the late ‘60s and early ‘70s, there was a great division among Jesuits, particularly within the United States. On the one side, you had an “old guard” of traditionalists. And on the other side, there was a large crop of men in their 20s and 30s who embraced what has been known as the “Spirit of Vatican II.” The former group insisted that the latter group’s ideas of “reform” would ultimately sow the seed’s of the destruction of the Society. Nevertheless, by the early ‘80s, the latter group had completely prevailed. But their “success” has ultimately vindicated the predictions of the old guard that opposed them in the ‘60s. The Order has essentially self-destructed, as seminary enrollment has dropped from 5500 in 1965 to 140 now.


26 posted on 01/18/2008 7:14:30 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: sneakers

bttt


27 posted on 01/19/2008 4:50:26 PM PST by sneakers (This Pennsylvania gal supports DUNCAN HUNTER for President!)
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To: Pyro7480

28 posted on 01/30/2008 2:53:57 PM PST by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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