Posted on 01/23/2008 12:25:36 PM PST by Gamecock
“Do you suppose that Jesus would say, “Well, once I give the Church this infallible scripture, there really is no need anymore for infallible interpretations of scripture.”
Well, if you believe that a mortal man is capable of interpreting it for many, then yes, that is what you believe.
Sola Scriptura is based on the living presence of Christ in every person. That’s the part that was left out of this apologists argument.
1. Scott Hahn is correct.
(He spent the majority of his young christian life trying to disprove the very church he now clings to, and correctly, i might add)
2. The Orthodox churches throughout the early days of the church CONSTANTLY REFERRED TO THE POPE to settle issues and abided by them, even if the deny that today.
LOL
And... who gives the infallible interpretation of the Pope’s infallible interpretation?
YOU:
Sola Scriptura is based on the living presence of Christ in every person. That’s the part that was left out of this apologists argument.
ME: so how do five hundred and counting, denominations by fallible men, show an sort of ‘living presence of Christ’ if they cant agree on the essentials of the faith?
Yet you criticize, unjustly, the Pope, who was ordained by Christ himself through Peter to be INFALLIBLE in church teaching (and only in certain situations)guided by the Holy Spirit, down to today.
The pope, when speaking ex cathedra is guided by the Holy spirit, he doesnt need to have that interpreted, unless you doubt the Holy Spirit.
A thread which will re-fight the battles of the 16th century. I’ve got a sock drawer to organize.
Truly Evangelical denominations do not differ in substance, but only in form.
They have the liberty in Christ to do this.
Oh, they may quibble a lot, but they all share these.
1. The born-again experience
2. Baptism of believers
3. The Lord’s table
4. The fellowship of the saints
5. The propagation of the gospel
I know more than a few Catholics that I would consider brethren in Christ, to the horror of some of my Baptist and Anabaptist friends.
And I fear there are more than a few Baptists and Anabaptists who have not really been born-again.
We know one another by the love we have for one another and the love we have for Jesus.
Read Ephesians 4 and put your denominational pride away.
“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”
Titus 3:9
Christ never ordained Peter to be infallible. That was a misintrepretation. The reason for Christ’s coming was that having appointed Men lead the faithful had failed throughout the entire OT. Christ the Messiah is the Rock.
“Through Christ all things are possible.” <— Many Christians believe this.
“From Christ, through the Pope, all things are possible.” <— Catholic version.
Do you think it’s possible for a person, working with Christ, to accurately interpret the Word? Obviously you do, and so does the Catechism.
Where does it say that the Holy Spirit only resides in one man?
That's what Scripture teaches. That’s the part that was left out of this apologists Catholic's argument.
2 Corinthians 1:22 and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
Ephesians 3:17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
Ephesians 3:17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
2 Timothy 1:14 By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.
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It goes on and on, but I suspect that tradition teaches otherwise.
Thank you,
In Christ...Alone!
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Tradition has value, but has proven to run afoul of the Word. Why some folks place tradition above Word, I’ll never know.
There is no truth that isn’t fully reconciled to the Word.
Wilco, Thanks!
Oh, that’s so funny.
So the Pope is capable of speaking in an infallibly perspiquous way...
...but...
...God isn’t!
Oops: p-e-r-s-p-i-c-u-o-u-s.
Sorry.
Christ said he is the true vine and that I am a branch on that vine. If I am joined this way with Christ with his Spirit directly nourishing me with God’s truth, why would I need a guy in a funny hat to interpet scripture for me?
“So the Pope is capable of speaking in an infallibly perspicuous way...”
My wife does, so I don’t see why the Pope can’t. In fact, it’s kind of like maternal succession; infallibility passes from mother to wife which causes her to become a mother and passes it on to another wife etc.
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