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To: Iscool; raygunfan; annalex

“God’s people do not need signs of His power...We walk by faith, not by sight...”

Is that why the thousands of “ecclesial groups” seem to be walking in so many different directions, I?

The veneration of relics is nearly as old as The Church itself, I. No one says you have to believe in the power of relics, though the overwhelming majority of Christians today do and always and everywhere have. I must say, however, that if I believed in the sort of God you folks do, One Whose apparently all consuming wrath at His creation could only be assuaged by the bloody torture death of His completely innocent Son, I’d probably leave off the scorn lest it turn out that I’m wrong and The Church right.


43 posted on 01/27/2008 6:01:11 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

>The veneration of relics is nearly as old as The Church itself, I. No one says you have to believe in the power of relics, though the overwhelming majority of Christians today do and always and everywhere have. I must say, however, that if I believed in the sort of God you folks do, One Whose apparently all consuming wrath at His creation could only be assuaged by the bloody torture death of His completely innocent Son, I’d probably leave off the scorn lest it turn out that I’m wrong and The Church right.

Actually the veneration of relics used by God is much older than Christianity:

2 Kings 18

1Now it came about in the third year of Hoshea, the son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah became king.

2He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem; and his mother’s name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah.

3 He did right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father David had done.

4 He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.

5 He trusted in the LORD, the God of Israel; so that after him there was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor among those who were before him.

6For he clung to the LORD; he did not depart from following Him, but kept His commandments, which the LORD had commanded Moses.

Note that the bronze snake, commanded by God for the salvation of the people of Israel in the desert from the poisonous snakes is venerated.

Note that a righteous King of Judah, clinging to the Lord and the laws of Moses, destroyed this idol when the sons of Israel venerate it by burning incense to it. This was destroyed alongside the Asherah, the idols to the Queen of Heaven.


44 posted on 01/27/2008 7:51:28 AM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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