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To: markomalley
The individual should not be punished for the failure of the shepherd of the church...

However, what I am referring to is found in:

Matthew 16:19

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." (NIV)

These are the words of Jesus speaking...

Also there is:

John 20:23

If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (NIV)

Now I had quoted from the National Shrine of St. Franics in San Francisco

Here is the key point:

... In 1686 the Franciscans received from Innocent XI the right to erect Stations in their churches; thus they, and all others affiliated to their order, could gain the same indulgences for making the Way of the Cross in their own churches as if they had made the journey to Jerusalem.

In 1726 Benedict XIII extended the right to gain indulgences in these Franciscan churches to all the faithful. And in 1731 Clement XII permitted indulgenced Stations to all churches—provided they were erected by a Franciscan priest. In 1862 this last restriction was removed, to accommodate those places where no Franciscans were available.

Basically, there are three Popes that have submitted decrees on the Via Crucis.

Therefore, what is Matthew 16:19 is applicable, since Jesus was speaking to Saint Peter, and in particular, it is the Keys to the Kingdom passge, which refers to Saint Peter's Papal Authority, and that of the successors of Saint Peter.

If you question what I write in this thread, then you are questioning the works of three Popes, and establishing your own norm for the Via Crucis.

True, people may gain spiritual merit from the meditation on the Stations of the Cross, but they might be denied Plenary Indulgences because the stations are not liturgically correct.

Basically, the point I am making is that if the Church you go to uses regular LEAVENED bread for communion, then that communion is invalid.

It is a violation of Liturgical Law.

Would the people know that the communion was invalid?

Finally, some people say the Via Crucis to help the poor souls in purgatory. By denying the Papal Authority behind the Stations of the Cross, the FULL SPIRITUAL MERIT MAY BE ATTAINED.

I originally learned the importance of this from the co-founder of EWTN -- Father Michael McDonough -- who thought much of prayer. That was the reason why there was a split between him and Mother Angelica... The mystic in this split, Alice Sullivan, went with Father Michael McDonough.

Alice Sullivan departing from Mother Angelica hurt Mother Angelica. I know because before one of Mother Angelica's TV Shows, I asked Mother Angelica if she remembered Alice Sullivan. She in turned asked me a question, which my response clearly left sadness in the face of Mother Angelica...

If you understand about mystics like Alice Sullivan, you will understand why following the rules of the Church are important...

In this case, it is the decrees of three Popes to help PROMULGATE THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS...

20 posted on 02/02/2008 8:41:55 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
I had posted:

Finally, some people say the Via Crucis to help the poor souls in purgatory. By denying the Papal Authority behind the Stations of the Cross, the FULL SPIRITUAL MERIT MAY BE ATTAINED.

I had meant to post:

Finally, some people say the Via Crucis to help the poor souls in purgatory. By denying the Papal Authority behind the Stations of the Cross, the FULL SPIRITUAL MERIT MAY NOT BE ATTAINED.

The point being that there is some mystery in our faith and how Church functions. It may be that for a PLENARY INDULGENCE heaven must intervene in some unseen way.

That is why there are many attachments to the provisions for a PLENARY INDULGENCE.

21 posted on 02/02/2008 8:47:01 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
I would submit that point #5 of the current Enchiridion covers those who are in the situation of not having valid stations:

5. Legitime impediti eamdem indulgentiam acquirere poterunt, si piae lectioni et meditationi Passionis et Mortis Domini nostri Iesu Christi saltem per aliquod tempus, e.g. per horae quadrantem, incubuerint.

But, whatever.

22 posted on 02/02/2008 9:08:39 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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