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Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor Wavers Again From Church Teaching on Condoms (Catholic Caucus)
On the Side of the Angels ^ | 2/10/2008 | Paul

Posted on 02/11/2008 6:45:19 PM PST by Pyro7480

[Originally titled: I don't bloody believe it - he's done it again !!!!!????]

I was away this weekend [more later] ; but as I was in a minibus returning home from London I missed radio 4's sunday show - so had to wait for the ' listen again ' feature on the website.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/sunday/prog_details.shtml

Our Cardinal's done it again !!!???

What exactly?

Well take a wild guess - he's invited to comment on one thing the church opposes; and by the time he's finished he's equivocated and compromised to such an extent he ends up saying the exact opposite !!!

That using contraception leads to an increase in infections because it provides false security for all involved but really it's a woman's choice if she wishes to use it to prevent infection !!!!????

What next ? let's go the whole hog - let's ask him to comment on the Trinity while he ends up arguing for modalism ; or why not get him arguing for the divinity of Christ and end up adoptionist ??? Let's hope that when he retires from Westminster Richard Dawkins hires him as a publicist - he might just start advocating catholic orthodoxy !!!!??


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: cardinal; catholic; condoms; westminster
For a little history, from 'Good Shepherd' Awards

In January, Cardinal Godfried Danneels of Belgium articulated on Dutch public television a highly nuanced position on AIDS prevention that accepts the church’s position on abstinence but acknowledged that if sexual relations are going to occur between people who are at risk, condoms should be used. “When an HIV-positive person says to his partner, ‘I want to have sexual relations,’ he must use a condom,” said the cardinal. “Morally, it cannot be judged on the same level as when a condom is used to reduce the number of births.”

...In July, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor of Westminster, England, publicly agreed with Cardinal Danneels in an interview with The Independent of London. “While we can say that, objectively, the use of condoms is wrong, there are places where it might be licit, or allowable, as when there's a danger of intercourse leading to death. It would be wrong to take a special case and make it a universal law.”

While I was spending time in the waiting room in the doctor's office today, I was reading from Michael Davies' excellent biography of St. John Fisher. He was the only bishop who didn't cowtow to Henry VIII. We need to pray that God send us more bishops like he was!

St. John Fisher, pray for us!


1 posted on 02/11/2008 6:45:29 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: wagglebee; NYer; Salvation

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 02/11/2008 6:46:25 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

“The walls of hell are lined with the skulls of bishops.”
Saint John of the Cross

“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.”
Attributed to St. Athanasius, St. John Chrysostom, and St. John Eudes. Probably all three said it, but I like to give credit to Athanasius because he was the earliest.


3 posted on 02/11/2008 10:00:04 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pyro7480

Does the anti give you fire or does the pro give you fire.If the anti’s lite your fire give it up.Love of Christ rules everything else.
14 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
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and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
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He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
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Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
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For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’
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Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
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And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’
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17 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’
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18 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’
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He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’
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And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


4 posted on 02/11/2008 10:17:26 PM PST by fatima
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To: Salvation
What about the ceiling?

Skulls of bishops?

5 posted on 02/12/2008 5:01:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Fortunately, I think Cormac Murphy-O’Connor is pretty close to retirement. I guess he’s trying to make the best of his last few occasions to say something that conflicts with Church doctrine.

There’s a lot of speculation on who’s going to be appointed to replace him.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 5:23:52 AM PST by livius
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