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To: Alex Murphy; pipeorganman; NYer
Ouch!

LOL...seriously.

Pipeorganman, I understand where you're coming from but this is a dicussion forum, and there are plenty of folks on here who are up for a reasonable discussion. I hardly think it's fair to characterize all of them as...well...what that parable implies! :)

41 posted on 02/21/2008 7:17:22 AM PST by Claud
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To: Claud
No, it is not fair to characterize everybody that way. But it is fair to characterize some of the comments that are extracted from some of The Swarm as products of the wallow. That is the point.

Yes, this is a discussion forum. But, when it comes to Catholic doctrine and practices, we all know full well what invariably happens here. Therefore, it is in full keeping with Matthew 7:6 that threads like this should be caucused. Honest inquiries can still be made, but the execrable characterizations of the Eucharist that we see here and on nearly every other similarly themed thread would not take place. It is a disgrace to subject Our Lord to such venomous invective and wretched spew. It is also, when done knowing full well the massive precedent of thread after thread, more than arguably sinful.

If everyone here were "up for reasonable discussion," that would be one thing. But there are always 5-15 individuals who descend on these threads and not only ruin them by utterly hijacking the subject matter, they also wind up - intentionally or through sheer ignorance - uttering blasphemies in the process. To afford them the opportunity to heap coals on there own heads in this way is also wrong.

The better Catholic apologists from a few years ago seem to be largely absent from these "debates" of late. I suspect a certain amount of fatigue and disgust with it all. I felt it myself well over a year ago, and I'm just a hack compared to the people I have in mind. I hardly ever post myself anymore. Nothing changes. We all go around and around; our separated brethren seem to wallow in willful ignorance, citing the same falsehoods and deliberate misinterpretations over and over again. And unprotected threads (where they are eligible for caucus status), simply afford our misapprehending brethren more and more opportunities for their disingenuousness, even as they force the remaining few worthy Catholic apologists here to spend more and more time arguing with people who simply will not listen to the truth!

No! These threads, when left naked, are merely platforms for the creation of disingenuous counter-argument, feigned incomprehension, and (often) deliberate blasphemy and sacrilege. When protected, they can be a useful forum for expository dialogue from the Catholic side and honest inquiry from others. They do not have to be invariably turned into a collection of three-ring circuses, as they most assuredly are now.

This post that I am sending will be at or near the 260th post of this thread. Fully half are full of venom and invective against Our Eucharistic Lord - by professing "Christians," yet! Had this post been caucused, the invective would have been eliminated, the presentation of the Catholic case would still be available for all to read, reasonable questions and honest inquiry would be quite legitimate, the Catholics wouldn't have to repeat twenty times over the same clarifications against obfuscatory and disingenuous nonsense from the usual suspects of The Screeching Swarm, and I strongly suspect that there would be far fewer than 260+ posts overall. An objective review of the posts on this thread merely serves to confirm all of my apprehensions concerning the alarming naivete and lack of discernment some have in exposing even God Himself to ridicule on this forum. Read this thread objectively. A better case for invoking Matthew 7:6 can scarcely be found! Caucus these sorts of threads! The prosecution rests.

268 posted on 02/22/2008 7:09:00 AM PST by magisterium
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