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Seven Prophecies That Must Be Fulfilled Before Jesus Christ's Return
Good News Magazine ^ | Feb 2008 | Melvin Rhodes

Posted on 02/22/2008 5:31:45 PM PST by DouglasKC

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1 posted on 02/22/2008 5:31:51 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Interesting.


2 posted on 02/22/2008 5:33:25 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo

After listening to Chris Matthews, I thought he did return already. Wasn’t he the guy debating Hillary last night?


3 posted on 02/22/2008 5:37:18 PM PST by tips up
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To: DouglasKC
Good News Magazine? I guess it doesn't get any better than this?
4 posted on 02/22/2008 5:42:59 PM PST by vetvetdoug (Just when one thinks life is strange, it gets stranger.)
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To: tips up
After listening to Chris Matthews, I thought he did return already. Wasn’t he the guy debating Hillary last night?

That may be the "other" guy he was talking about...

5 posted on 02/22/2008 5:44:29 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: swmobuffalo
Interesting.

Indeed and a good study...

6 posted on 02/22/2008 5:45:31 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: vetvetdoug
Good News Magazine? I guess it doesn't get any better than this?

The return of Christ and the establishment of his kingdom IS good news indeed and it doesn't get much better than that. :-)

7 posted on 02/22/2008 5:54:11 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

#4 is incorrect.

A revived Roman Empire would NOT be a group of European nations.

The heart of the Roman Empire was Mediterranean nations.


8 posted on 02/22/2008 5:57:07 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
#4 is incorrect. A revived Roman Empire would NOT be a group of European nations. The heart of the Roman Empire was Mediterranean nations.

This interpretation is based upon the fact that the current European Union has it's roots in the Treaty of Rome.

Can you elaborate on the interpretation you're presenting?

9 posted on 02/22/2008 6:03:20 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

It’s a shame you posted such a great article on a Friday night! I’d love to discuss but after a long week, I’m just tired. There are so many indications of the Lord’s return.

There is Daniel sealing up the book until the end of times, significant.

There is God made the earth in 7 days, a day is like a thousand years. The old testament lasted 4000 years when in Hosea, 6:2, God said in 2 days I will revive you (speaking of Isreal), in 3 days I will restore you. Israel was restored in either 1947 or so or after the 8 days war in 1968 but in either case, restored in this century.

So 4 days (or 4 thousand years) and add 3 days (the time Jesus was in the earth before being brought to be with the Father) and now 3000 years since that happened, so a total of 7 days or 7 thousand years (remember a day is like a thousand years). For some reason, God likes 7.

And then of course, there’s the Mayan calendar that went for a thousand or better years after their demise, it ends 2012.

This probably all sounds kooky because I’m not up to discussing tonight. Utlimately, yes, I think it’s close.

Look for a 7 year peace agreement between Israel and Palestine and then for 2 witnesses to be killed and seen the world over. At the time this was written, no one could imagine how they could be seen the world over but with television, it will happen. Also there was the verse where when Jesus came back, the entire world would see. Only with our technology of today, can that happen.

Have at it, but I do think the time is near.


10 posted on 02/22/2008 6:10:25 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: DouglasKC

I am glad you are ready. I am forever worried that I am not ready and acceptable for the coming. Its one test I don’t think I will ever have studied and acted enough for.


11 posted on 02/22/2008 6:12:49 PM PST by vetvetdoug (Just when one thinks life is strange, it gets stranger.)
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To: xzins
But isn’t Turkey (Byzantium, or Rum) part of EU? That would be much of the Roman Empire, except Egypt and Libya, (and Palestine)
12 posted on 02/22/2008 6:23:18 PM PST by NathanR ( Duncan Hunter for SecDef)
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To: vetvetdoug
I am glad you are ready. I am forever worried that I am not ready and acceptable for the coming. Its one test I don’t think I will ever have studied and acted enough for.

I think everyone has doubts and fears and the ones who are the most confident that they've "made it" probably haven't yet.

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

I don't think worry is the attitude Christians should have, but assurance tempered with humility and obedience should be the proper attitude.

13 posted on 02/22/2008 6:25:12 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
If, as the Bible is best interpreted, the 4th kingdom of Daniel is the Roman Empire, which I think it is, then we must look at the actual Roman Empire and not at some European federation.

There is nothing in the bible that says, "European Federation." But, we do know who is the Prince of the people to come....Rome. We do know the 7-hilled city...Rome.

The Roman Empire was primarily the nations of the Mediterranean basin. On the northern shore, now European; on the southern and eastern shores, now Arabic.

Here is a paragraph from an article on the "Barcelona Process" link Interestingly in involves a fledgling union of nations, "The Five Plus Five." (Note: 5+5=10)

It always pays to keep our eyes open and not get hung up on interpretations that are opinions.

The “Five plus Five”The creation of the “Five plus Five” in July 1990—originally estab-lished as the “Four plus Five” and later enlarged to include Maltalater in 1990—was aimed at developing cooperation between Spain,France, Italy, Portugal, and Malta, on the one hand, and Algeria,Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, and Mauritania on the other. Discussiontopics included natural resource management, economic links andfinancial assistance, immigration, and culture. The “Five plus Five”very soon encountered serious obstacles, the most important ofwhich was the international embargo on Libya. The absence ofEgypt, friction between Algeria and Morocco over the Western Sa-hara and Algeria’s internal instability also undermined the initiative.The “Five plus Five” excluded military security discussions from theagenda; in that regard it presented a unique approach and may have --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

14 posted on 02/22/2008 6:26:08 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: vetvetdoug

None of us are ever really ready, however, with a simple prayer asking Jesus into our hearts and asking Him for His eternal forgiveness … we will be more than acceptable in God’s eyes. From that point we are forever washed in the Glorified Blood of Jesus and crucified with Him on the Cross. The crucified blood of Jesus will cover all sins, if only we ask.

That is the promise of the Gospels.


15 posted on 02/22/2008 6:30:28 PM PST by doc1019 (Remember always, God is still in control.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Don’t give up.


16 posted on 02/22/2008 6:33:03 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: ozarkgirl
There is God made the earth in 7 days, a day is like a thousand years. The old testament lasted 4000 years when in Hosea, 6:2, God said in 2 days I will revive you (speaking of Isreal), in 3 days I will restore you. Israel was restored in either 1947 or so or after the 8 days war in 1968 but in either case, restored in this century. So 4 days (or 4 thousand years) and add 3 days (the time Jesus was in the earth before being brought to be with the Father) and now 3000 years since that happened, so a total of 7 days or 7 thousand years (remember a day is like a thousand years). For some reason, God likes 7. And then of course, there’s the Mayan calendar that went for a thousand or better years after their demise, it ends 2012.

Thank you for your response. God does indeed love 7!

As far as timing I agree with the thousand years as a day scenario. The "7th" day will be the milleniel rest, foreshadowed by the 7th day sabbath created at the beginning of creation.

However, I think it depends on where God marks the end of the 6th "year". Is it 2000 years AFTER the birth ofr Christ, or could it be 2000 years AFTER the death of Christ? If death, then it could be around 2030 or so. I tend to lean toward that time frame because man can get a whole lot worse than we are now. But then again God only knows.

17 posted on 02/22/2008 6:33:16 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: vetvetdoug

The wonderful thing about salvation is that it doesn’t depend on us, Jesus did it all. We simply accept the free gift He has given us. He is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

We need to repent and ask for forgiveness. Because of what He has done on our behalf, we will do things for others but it is not a condition of salvation.

I am amazed that when God looks at sinful me, He sees Christ’s righteousness. Wow how incredible.


18 posted on 02/22/2008 6:38:15 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: xzins
The Roman Empire was primarily the nations of the Mediterranean basin. On the northern shore, now European; on the southern and eastern shores, now Arabic. Here is a paragraph from an article on the "Barcelona Process" link Interestingly in involves a fledgling union of nations, "The Five Plus Five." (Note: 5+5=10) It always pays to keep our eyes open and not get hung up on interpretations that are opinions.

That's certainly a possibility. The article does have this caveat for those who think they have it all figured out:

Some have speculated that the 10 kings referred to in this prophecy will be leaders of 10 regions of the EU that will redraw the boundaries of Europe, ending the present nation-states. The Bible is not clear on exactly which 10 regions or nations will configure the final revival of the militaristic Roman superpower—only that this new superpower will indeed emerge just before Christ's return.

19 posted on 02/22/2008 6:39:07 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
So why did the United Church of God take Herbert W. Armstrong's name off of the books in the links (I could find his name nowhere, but I certainly recognize his speil). And who did the editing (Joseph Tkach, Sr. perhaps?) It's easy to spot the revisions in the .pdf versions at the website, and they didn't even bother changing the American flag/British flag cover of the 60s edition of "The United States and Britan In Bible Prophecy" (which dates to at least 1948). The Armstrong original Worldwide Church of God materials are available today from the Philadelphia Church of God with Armstrong's name still on it and I presume his copyrights still intact.

I'm not trying to start a row, I have no dog in the fight and Armstrong died in '86 (not to be confused with his renegade son Garner Ted, but that's another story). I've followed the schisms in Armstrong's WWCOG for over forty years - call it an amusing hobby, but I've never come arcoss this outpost of Armstrongism. Is the United Church of God comprised of followers of Tkachism and haters of Flurry's Philadelphia group who carry on the HWA banner or is this a Garner Ted offshoot?

I did look on the "About" page at the UCOG site and saw that the church "began as a formal assembly in 1995" but there's not much to that breif "History". I'm just interested in who's behind recycling H.W. Armstrong's teachings without mentioning him. Who are you folks? I hope you can answer, but I won't get my hopes up.
20 posted on 02/22/2008 6:40:27 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: Drumbo
I'm not trying to start a row, I have no dog in the fight and Armstrong died in '86 (not to be confused with his renegade son Garner Ted, but that's another story). I've followed the schisms in Armstrong's WWCOG for over forty years - call it an amusing hobby, but I've never come arcoss this outpost of Armstrongism. Is the United Church of God comprised of followers of Tkachism and haters of Flurry's Philadelphia group who carry on the HWA banner or is this a Garner Ted offshoot? I did look on the "About" page at the UCOG site and saw that the church "began as a formal assembly in 1995" but there's not much to that breif "History". I'm just interested in who's behind recycling H.W. Armstrong's teachings without mentioning him. Who are you folks? I hope you can answer, but I won't get my hopes up.

United was begun by many who left the Worldwide Church of God after they abandoned biblical doctrine. It's the largest of the so called "splinter" groups that broke off Worldwide.

From UCG's website A Brief History Of United Church of God.

Many of the current ministers and members of the United Church of God were once members of the Worldwide Church of God, a nonprofit corporation under the leadership of Herbert W. Armstrong until his death in 1986. A subsequent unwarranted shift toward nonbiblical practices and beliefs led numerous ministers and members to leave the fellowship of that organization.
Concerned with uneven administrative practices of the former assembly, more than 100 ordained ministers developed a new administrative structure that was more directly accountable to members and the ministry.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

21 posted on 02/22/2008 6:48:26 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

“E’en so, Lord Jesus, quickly come, and night shall be no more. They need no light nor lamp nor sun, for Christ shall be their ALL.”

From a choir anthem we sang in college 45 years ago. It is more beautiful now than when I was young.


22 posted on 02/22/2008 6:51:23 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
“E’en so, Lord Jesus, quickly come, and night shall be no more. They need no light nor lamp nor sun, for Christ shall be their ALL.” From a choir anthem we sang in college 45 years ago. It is more beautiful now than when I was young

It is beautiful. I always interpret that passage to mean that we'll be in a different spiritual realm with Christ so we won't need a lamp or the sun...those being physical objects needed for physical things.

23 posted on 02/22/2008 7:03:29 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Thank you for responding. Definately not followers of Tkachism then and I presume put off by Flurry’s axe-grinding perhaps? I’ve bookmarked it all for further study FRiend. Thanks again and God bless.


24 posted on 02/22/2008 7:16:35 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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Thank you for responding. Definately not followers of Tkachism then and I presume put off by Flurry’s axe-grinding perhaps?

I can only offer my personal opinions as United doesn't officially take one. And since I'm not really familiar with either one, my personal opinions probably don't mean much. :-)

I’ve bookmarked it all for further study FRiend. Thanks again and God bless.

Thank you. I hope your study is profitable and God bless to you too.

25 posted on 02/22/2008 7:26:42 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Diego1618

fyi....


26 posted on 02/22/2008 7:49:02 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Thank you for the ping Douglas!

It's been almost 3,000 years since the kingdom of Israel was split in two. Ten of the 12 tribes of Israel rebelled against King Rehoboam, the son of King Solomon and grandson of King David. The Bible continued to refer to these 10 tribes as Israel while the other two tribes (Judah and Benjamin) that remained loyal to David's descendants were known as the kingdom of Judah or simply Judah.

In my opinion....this is a big stumbling block for many. If you cannot separate the Children of Israel in scripture....you cannot understand prophecy. Many prophecies for the end times are made to both houses....some to only one house. If you do not know this....you are quite possibly putting the wrong events on the wrong people at the wrong time!

Scripture never mentions the return of Israel from Assyria [II Kings 17:22-23]. Scripture speaks volumes of the return of Judah from Babylon....200 years later [Ezra and Nehemiah]. During the first century Josephus tells us where Israel still is [Antiquities XI, Chapter 5, Paragraph 2]. He even tells us that Judah (Benjamin and Judah) are the only tribes under the control of the Romans. This was very common knowledge in the first century....but since then history has lost track of the Nation of Israel. Prophecy tells us that they will be spread throughout the world by the end times [Amos 9:9] and [Hosea 1:10] tells us they will be like the sands of the seashore.....uncountable as well.

But....yet, most people....reading in scripture of end time Israel....think only of a little country in the Middle East surrounded by hostile Muslims. They should be placing the prophecies of Judah on this little country instead.

27 posted on 02/22/2008 8:41:18 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: DouglasKC
For now, because it is so late, all I can say is WOW!!! I have a special love for Joseph and have read the Bible through and through but somehow I missed noting some of the verses referenced. I have always been fascinated with Joseph's blessings and how they play out. Joseph was highlighted mightily during my salvation experience by The LORD (when I knew next to nothing Biblically speaking). Thank you.
28 posted on 02/22/2008 10:35:15 PM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: doc1019
None of us are ever really ready, however, with a simple prayer asking Jesus into our hearts and asking Him for His eternal forgiveness … we will be more than acceptable in God’s eyes. From that point we are forever washed in the Glorified Blood of Jesus and crucified with Him on the Cross. The crucified blood of Jesus will cover all sins, if only we ask.

Thank-you for your eloquent presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

29 posted on 02/23/2008 4:10:08 AM PST by Quester
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To: Diego1618
But....yet, most people....reading in scripture of end time Israel....think only of a little country in the Middle East surrounded by hostile Muslims. They should be placing the prophecies of Judah on this little country instead.

Definitely my friend. Thanks for pointing it out. It makes a huge difference and makes the prophecies come alive.

30 posted on 02/23/2008 7:50:24 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Bellflower
For now, because it is so late, all I can say is WOW!!! I have a special love for Joseph and have read the Bible through and through but somehow I missed noting some of the verses referenced. I have always been fascinated with Joseph's blessings and how they play out. Joseph was highlighted mightily during my salvation experience by The LORD (when I knew next to nothing Biblically speaking). Thank you.

You're welcome. It does make for a fascinating and uplifting study. Knowing that the Lord always keeps his promises is encouraging indeed.

31 posted on 02/23/2008 8:29:14 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; ...
END TIMES PING LIST PING. . . . . and all the ships at sea . . . Please let me know if you want on or off the ping list.

Am looking for someone who'd feel led to manage a backup copy of the ping list in case I'm unavailable for whatever reason. Duties would consist of managing to update the Word file as FREEPERS sign-on/off and to ping the list when you felt fitting. MarySecretary has been doing a good job but I don't want the hassle bothering her with her health concerns and stresses.

I essentially agree quite a lot. I have had torn feelings about "British Israel" over the years . . . feeling there was some validity for such contentions yet being somewhat skeptical. I'd love to see what the Nat Geo's DNA studies show on that score--not disclosed last I checked. They must have some data on it by now. It seems highly likely to me that at least the tribe of Dan did end up in Denmark--which would make my Step-Dad a full blood child of Jacob.

I don't think we have crystal clear Biblical specifics about the timing of Christ setting foot on the Mt of Olives vis a vis the Gospel being preached to the whole world--but I expect that the Gospel has to be preached to the Whole world before THAT and quite possibly before His coming in the air to CATCH AWAY His Church.

I found the King of the North and King of the South part interesting and likely true.

I have had an increasing sense of . . . calm urgency . . . is the best way I can describe it . . . that Believers really need to be walking close to God, learning to hear and obey His Voice.

I believe that the UFO/ NEPHILIUM/ FALLEN ANGEL/ WATCHER phenomena is in the midst of being rachetted up wholesale. ALL the folks I know who've watched it most closely are convinced that's the case.

The end result is, of course, the coercion of the world's citizens into a global government.

It appears that my long held conviction that some 'ET' races will play the role of 'bad cop' and some the role of 'good cop' is to be the case. I believe that this was partly what President Reagan was referring to when he mentioned 5 TIMES publically that the world would unite if we were threatened by aliens from space.

I think most believers are near totally to totally unprepared.

Guy Malone's websites:

And

are the best websites I know from a Biblical perspective that explains what the whole mess is about and the spiritual warfare that can be necessary to deal with it in Jesus' Name and Blood. Guy has helped many individuals as well as families who've been plagued by such entities for generations to break totally free. He had his own experiences during his teen years IIRC.

I realize that the above is ragingly fierce scoff material for many even Believers. My 45+ years long collection of puzzle pieces as well my reading of Scripture and my sense of Holy Spirit within me have left me with absolutely no doubt at this point. Scoff away, if you are so compelled. And then be prepared to reap the fruit of such scoffing.

For those with eyes to see and ears to hear . . . fear is not to be our brief--unless it's the reverential awe/fear of The Lord God Almighty. And, I do believe that the Peace that Passes understanding can and will be ours IF WE WALK CLOSE TO GOD, obedient to His word and voice.

Believers need to understand that a world figure will appear . . . hopefully, after we are CAUGHT AWAY for the Marriage Supper of The Lamb. Regardless, a world leader will appear convincing even Israel and likely some luke-warm' pseudo-Christians that he is the true Messiah. The global government; the UFO related technologies and forces; all the political leaders and RELIGIOUS leaders around the world will give more or less unified assent within a realtively short time.

Counterfeit miracles are already scheduled. Fatima was just an early volley. The BIBLICAL GREAT DECEPTION has been underway for some time and will become exceedingly more impressive and convincing for masses of folks--many those you love.

Accept only that which comes through The Cross of Jesus; through His Blood, so to speak and only from those confessing that He came in the flesh etc.

Prayerfully yours,

32 posted on 02/23/2008 9:09:47 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

For some reason, my html coding of the websites was flawed and I didn’t catch it on PREVIEW:

HTTP://WWW.ANCIENTofDAYS.NET

HTTP://WWW.ALIENRESISTANCE.ORG


33 posted on 02/23/2008 9:12:37 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DouglasKC
This is what gives us “hope”. Hope in the belief that Christ will return soon and we can have real peace for ever and ever and ever. In this world there will NEVER be peace. Only through Christ will peace be real and lasting.
34 posted on 02/23/2008 9:26:09 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: Quix
I essentially agree quite a lot. I have had torn feelings about "British Israel" over the years . . . feeling there was some validity for such contentions yet being somewhat skeptical. I'd love to see what the Nat Geo's DNA studies show on that score--not disclosed last I checked. They must have some data on it by now. It seems highly likely to me that at least the tribe of Dan did end up in Denmark--which would make my Step-Dad a full blood child of Jacob.

Thank you for your response Quix. Out of all the doctrine I believe this requires the most extra-biblical study. Two proofs I find convincing are:

1. The United States has always considered itself a Godly, Christian nation. Not quite a theocracy, but with a strong sense that God is guiding and blessing our nation. Manifest destiny comes to mind. A very large percentage profess belief in God.

2. Circumcision - Although it's not a salvational issue under the new covenant, the circumcision rate in the United States is still somewhere in 70% range...down from a high or 90 something percent. I think it's very interesting that the circumcision rate began to rise as the United States came into prominence in the world. Circumcision is of course what marked a physical Israelite as an Israelite. This of course isn't proof, but is interesting speculation.

UFO etc....I think it's a very real possibility that when Christ returns "in the clouds" that it will be portrayed as an alien invasion and this is why so many will fight against him. But again, this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. :-)

35 posted on 02/23/2008 9:35:29 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: doc1019

Indeed. Otherwise, we are all lost.
susie


36 posted on 02/23/2008 9:39:33 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: DouglasKC
Several more things come to mind as well One is what GOD has done before He will do again. Mankind has passed through two major steps related to knowledge and a concern GOD had that we reach a capability of self generated eternal life. Once at the Garden of Eden then again at the Tower of Babel. The third time is upon us this hour. Our technology is far beyond our wisdom and yet man seeks to create life and gain knowledge without wisdom in all things in our cursed bodies and sinful minds which is not GOD's plan.

Next is Elijah. Indeed he came again {John The Baptist} and I believe the third one lives amongst us today although he will go home before the Second Coming. The one telling all Made way for the LORD. This man is telling us make way in our hearts which is how salvation is received. I won't say the name but he has help lead more to Christ and preached to more persons in his lifetime than any other person in mans history.

The next will likely raise some eye brows but I see it also as true. GOD called out Noah before judging the world. GOD called His People out of Egypt before passing judgment on it's people. Third round? I believe He will call His Chosen out as well before judgment {The Tribulations} take place on this earth. As earth is in kaos below the Wedding Feast is underway on high. Thus the prophecy of the ten virgins.

The dream Daniel had was sealed and not to be understood till later when reveal, communication, and knowledge increase. Indeed much of the prophecies can be seen as having happened or conditions prevalent for them to happen. His dream was not to be understood till the final age. By those who seek to understand it. The world as a whole who rejects Christ will not.

37 posted on 02/23/2008 10:04:14 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
Several more things come to mind as well One is what GOD has done before He will do again. Mankind has passed through two major steps related to knowledge and a concern GOD had that we reach a capability of self generated eternal life. Once at the Garden of Eden then again at the Tower of Babel. The third time is upon us this hour. Our technology is far beyond our wisdom and yet man seeks to create life and gain knowledge without wisdom in all things in our cursed bodies and sinful minds which is not GOD's plan.

Excellent point. Whenever man believes he no longer has to rely on God, or where he believes his own wisdom makes God obselete, then God lets us know where we stand.

Next is Elijah. Indeed he came again {John The Baptist} and I believe the third one lives amongst us today although he will go home before the Second Coming. The one telling all Made way for the LORD. This man is telling us make way in our hearts which is how salvation is received. I won't say the name but he has help lead more to Christ and preached to more persons in his lifetime than any other person in mans history.

Maybe, but be wary.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

The next will likely raise some eye brows but I see it also as true. GOD called out Noah before judging the world. GOD called His People out of Egypt before passing judgment on it's people. Third round? I believe He will call His Chosen out as well before judgment {The Tribulations} take place on this earth. As earth is in kaos below the Wedding Feast is underway on high. Thus the prophecy of the ten virgins.

I believe God promises to protect his people, but that can be done without leaving the world. The plagues were upon Egypt while Israel was still there. They survived the death angel because they obeyed the Lord when he told them they would be spared by putting the blood of the passover lamb on their lintels.

The dream Daniel had was sealed and not to be understood till later when reveal, communication, and knowledge increase. Indeed much of the prophecies can be seen as having happened or conditions prevalent for them to happen. His dream was not to be understood till the final age. By those who seek to understand it. The world as a whole who rejects Christ will not.

Agreed and good summary.

38 posted on 02/23/2008 10:21:41 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: nmh
This is what gives us “hope”. Hope in the belief that Christ will return soon and we can have real peace for ever and ever and ever. In this world there will NEVER be peace. Only through Christ will peace be real and lasting.

Very true...thanks for posting it.

39 posted on 02/23/2008 10:22:50 AM PST by DouglasKC
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I've got my opinions on things ... but I could be very wrong too .... but on the broader subject of His return - I get ecstatic with joy! I truly can't imagine being with Him and around true Christians for ever and ever and ever. I am sad that some refuse to accept Him and reject Him - for them I am sad ... but I know that is the bitter sweet part of it - and leave that all up to Him.

I could easily walk out of our house and leave everything behind, right now, and we're comfortable to be with Him and true believers for eternity. Things aren't so important to me. I have faith that any and all wrongs will be corrected and not allowed to continue under His reign. It's truly something to rejoice about.

40 posted on 02/23/2008 10:26:50 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: DouglasKC
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Oh I am. Only GOD himself knows that one for certain. The man is not without sin nor wrong but neither were Elijah nor John The Baptist or it was never mentioned they were. Elijah however like Enoch was called up though.

It's just the man who is a messenger and makes no claims to be anything but just that. I don't think he even realizes what impact he has had on the modern age and actually accomplished. If he does is very humble about it. His mission in life has been to preach the Gospel to the world and he literally just about accomplished doing just that in his lifetime. Obviously modern technology has made it a lot more possible.

41 posted on 02/23/2008 10:32:29 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: DouglasKC

thanks for the piing.


42 posted on 02/23/2008 11:37:57 AM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: DouglasKC

Bump


43 posted on 02/23/2008 11:53:11 AM PST by sport
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To: Quix
I have had an increasing sense of . . . calm urgency . . .

Well stated my friend. Do you wonder if Israel will become our enemy after the next election?

Seven
44 posted on 02/23/2008 12:31:37 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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Wellllllllll,

Dilldo and Her Hideousness

treated Israel as our enemy much during their reign of terror the first time. It would be much worse if she gets in again.

And Obumma will not be much better.

Nor McChurian THAT much better than him.

Israel must pass through the valley of the shadow of death . . . a painful object lesson to all Creation that even as God’s chosen—in many respects, especially as God’s Chosen—one, a family, a group, a nation MUST be strictly and wholeheartedly obedient to God . . . not only to receive the best of His blessings, but to survive at all.


45 posted on 02/23/2008 12:41:54 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: nmh

I could easily walk out of our house and leave everything behind, right now, and we’re comfortable to be with Him and true believers for eternity. Things aren’t so important to me. I have faith that any and all wrongs will be corrected and not allowed to continue under His reign. It’s truly something to rejoice about.

= = =

INDEED! Even if I’m caught in the shower when the angel comes . . .

I just want to be VERY CLEAR from the Lord whether I’m supposed to take my bugout bag or not! LOL.


46 posted on 02/23/2008 12:43:40 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DouglasKC

Good points.

Thanks.

LUB,

BTTT

Dear Charismatic etc Believers . . . it might be fruitful for The Kingdom to help keep this bumped for a while.


47 posted on 02/23/2008 12:44:56 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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I just want to be VERY CLEAR from the Lord whether I’m supposed to take my bugout bag or not! LOL.

Very good debates or cases can be made both sides of it. I'm Pre-Trib myself but realize even if I am wrong on that one GOD is right. It's just the way I read, understand, and a conviction given me that it is to be believed for me.

48 posted on 02/23/2008 12:50:51 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Quix
INDEED! Even if I’m caught in the shower when the angel comes . . .

I just want to be VERY CLEAR from the Lord whether I’m supposed to take my bugout bag or not! LOL.


My daughter’s biggest fear is being caught taking a bath or a shower ... ;) NAKED!! I tell her that God will see to it that she is modest in dress when that time comes. He won’t embarrass her.

49 posted on 02/23/2008 12:54:07 PM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: cva66snipe

Agreed.

Thanks.


50 posted on 02/23/2008 1:03:11 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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