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Seven Prophecies That Must Be Fulfilled Before Jesus Christ's Return
Good News Magazine ^ | Feb 2008 | Melvin Rhodes

Posted on 02/22/2008 5:31:45 PM PST by DouglasKC

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To: onedoug
‘If you are planting a tree and hear that the Mashiach has come, first finish the planting, then go to greet him.’

Here is an interesting sidelight related to your thoughts on the planting of trees ......and "Yah'shua Mashiach".

101 posted on 02/24/2008 9:45:52 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: DouglasKC

VERY interesting. The books highlighted here are also interesting. It looks like the US and Great Britain had better turn back to God before it’s too late. Perhaps it already is?


102 posted on 02/24/2008 12:39:05 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: ozarkgirl

I believe 2012 is also a pivotal year. I’ve read that in prophecies as well.


103 posted on 02/24/2008 12:40:30 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: DouglasKC
I think you're mixing up Christ's spiritual presence with his physical return....So Christ departed and made it possible for his holy spirit to come to those who believed in him. But he has not physically returned.

I'm not quite sure there should be a difference. We know when two or three are gathered, He (Jesus) is in our mist. Does Christ physically being here make any difference than His spiritually being with us? Does it change anything?

The bible teaches that Christ will physically return to establish an earthly kingdom.

I think you would get an argument on that. This earth was cursed a long time ago and, as you've pointed out, under the rule of Satan. Christ promised His believers that one of the reasons He was going away was to prepare a room for them in His Father's house. It would be difficult to imagine Christ returning to "reign" over this earth. This place along with everything in it is corrupted and is to be burned.

I would suggest Christ has already established His kingdom but it isn't here. Christians have been born into this kingdom and we are His ambassadors to this world. Someday we will be called home. This world is not our home.

104 posted on 02/24/2008 12:42:22 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: vetvetdoug

Through Jesus Christ the crucified and the Messiah, you are acceptable already, if you have Him as Lord and Saviour of your life. Just put your faith and trust in Him and HE will make you ready. Don’t agonize over it, vetvet.


105 posted on 02/24/2008 12:42:38 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: GOPPachyderm

We ARE made righteous through Jesus Christ. He is who God sees when He looks at us, when we receive Jesus into our lives. It IS amazing! Thanks be to God.


106 posted on 02/24/2008 12:45:02 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Quix

I still believe UFO’s are demonic, fallen angels sent to confuse and deceive the world into thinking these are from other planets. But, who knows? I sure don’t. Something is out there...


107 posted on 02/24/2008 12:51:05 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary

Good points.

Thanks.


108 posted on 02/24/2008 12:52:14 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: cva66snipe

To Daniel, much of what he saw was prophecy. To us, now, it’s history. We already know what happened to his prophecies historically with the four kingdoms, etc. But there are some prophecies yet unfulfilled which I think we will see in our lifetime.


109 posted on 02/24/2008 12:53:58 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: DouglasKC

Our Women’s Bible Study is just completing the study on Daniel by Beth Moore. It’s amazing and I heartily commend it to anyone who is interested in studying this book.


110 posted on 02/24/2008 1:01:25 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Seven_0

I wouldn’t be surprise if the next president would turn his or her back on Israel. Every nation will in time.


111 posted on 02/24/2008 1:03:42 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Quix

I always say, wear pants!


112 posted on 02/24/2008 1:04:26 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Seven_0

Whenever the US does something governmentally to damage Israel, WE suffer damage. I believe with all my heart that Katrina was a curse from God for our helping the Palestinians get Gaza and all the Jews were thrown out. They’re homeless, now we’re homeless, is my thought on that. We really need to be very careful about Israel, but, of course, we won’t be with the government to come.


113 posted on 02/24/2008 1:08:06 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: bray

Not now, but as the time draws close, we’ll have a pretty good idea if we read the signs correctly.


114 posted on 02/24/2008 1:11:01 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary
I believe with all my heart that Katrina was a curse from God for our helping the Palestinians get Gaza and all the Jews were thrown out.

I think it has a lot more to do with New Orleans government corruption than any curse from God. I think God's grace and punishments are a lot more subtle than causing a levee to break.

115 posted on 02/24/2008 1:14:40 PM PST by Hacksaw (I support the tiger.)
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To: Hacksaw

Well, think what you will. A lot of prophetic words about Katrina came out even before it happened. A corrupt government didn’t help, for sure, but I believe and will always believe that God had a hand in what happened.


116 posted on 02/24/2008 1:18:15 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Diego1618
It was Judaism that championed the idea of Tikkun Olam -- repairing the world. It is in our folklore that we read the well-known tale of Honi, who saw an old man planting a carob tree. "How long before that tree bears fruit?" asked Honi. "Seventy years," replied the old man. And Honi asked, "Will you be alive in seventy years to enjoy the fruit?" And the man answered, "When I was born, this world was filled with carob trees planted by my ancestors. And likewise will I plant trees for my children."

This is a variation of what I tell - more often liberals - when they basically ask, What's in that for me?"

I say that I want to make this world better than I found it for my children, their children and theirs...and yours.

Interesting site. Thank you so much.

God bless You and Yours....

117 posted on 02/24/2008 1:24:12 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Marysecretary
To Daniel, much of what he saw was prophecy. To us, now, it’s history. We already know what happened to his prophecies historically with the four kingdoms, etc. But there are some prophecies yet unfulfilled which I think we will see in our lifetime.

I think so too possibly all of them. Things are moving very, very, fast toward a conclusion.

118 posted on 02/24/2008 1:32:00 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: DouglasKC
The author actually did. He provided support in the paragraphs proceeding and provided a link for further study.

Obviously, you referred here to these two paragraphs:

"The name Ephraim is sometimes used representatively in Scripture for the entire northern kingdom, though it can also refer solely to the descendants of Joseph's son of that name—prophesied to become a "multitude of nations" (Genesis 48:19). Remarkably, this promise to Ephraim was fulfilled in the British Empire and Commonwealth.

Ephraim's older brother Manasseh was also prophesied to become a great nation (same verse), separating himself from the multitude of nations. This prophecy would be fulfilled in the formation, growth and dominance of the United States of America. "

Friend, that is no support at all. Instead, it is raw speculation, an unfounded conclusion. The author claims those prophecies were fulfilled but fails to offer any substantiation at all. He merely assumes that which he claims.

119 posted on 02/24/2008 2:58:51 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Marysecretary

yup


120 posted on 02/24/2008 3:27:37 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

And the pace is picking up.

I think that’s one reason that the 3 front runners on all sides are traitorous globalist stooges—2 of the very worst order and the 3rd not that far behind.


121 posted on 02/24/2008 3:32:12 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

I’d love to see some maps of early migrations. Saw some once . . .

And current maps of DNA mapping.

I suspect Nat Geo has more than they are revealing.


122 posted on 02/24/2008 3:33:47 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DouglasKC

Are these guys the same Herbert Armstrong cult idiots? Cause, half the stuff in here is bogus white-supremacists mixed in with antisemitism in the disguise of Christianity. Reminds me of the old stuff my grandma warned me about. Armstrong was a wack-job kool-aid drinking fraud. As is about anyone who starts with the “Lost tribes of Israel are The UK and America”. I quit reading after THAT nonsense.


123 posted on 02/24/2008 4:09:33 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
Armstrong was a wack-job kool-aid drinking fraud. As is about anyone who starts with the “Lost tribes of Israel are The UK and America”.

Since I am not....or ever have been a member of any "Armstrong" organization I feel somewhat obligated to respond to your statement.

From what I understand Herbert Armstrong did not invent any "Lost Tribes Theory". This concept has been around for many years and I believe there is some truth to it. I also understand that some organizations have taken this idea to themselves and indeed do present a racist point of view with their outlook. I feel that if one looks at scripture with an open mind there are some legitimate questions raised about the possibilities of a lost to history, "House of Israel".

It seems that your major dispute in this area is with Armstrong and some identity groups so we should be able to have a polite conversation regarding the location of the Ten Tribes since I represent neither of these factions.

If you are game..... I would like to start out by asking you, Where do you think the Israelites are today....21st Century?

124 posted on 02/24/2008 6:36:53 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

Isn’t it amazing/fitting that the basic assumption of the masses is that Joseph is dead? There is nothing new under the sun. :-)

Somtimes I think Palestinians are smarter than the average Christian. Even the savages have some weird compulsion to destroy Joseph’s tomb over and over again, as if there’s something really important (read: alive) in there.


125 posted on 02/24/2008 8:04:28 PM PST by Ezekiel
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To: cva66snipe

You can almost feel it in the air...


126 posted on 02/24/2008 8:48:38 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary; Quix

Christ’s righteousness is imputed or accredited to us, we are not made righteous. There is a subtle but very important distinction. Because of this distinction, we can depend on Him, not on what we need to accomplish to be certain of our salvation. Praise God! Because I can trust Him whereas I constantly fail!


127 posted on 02/24/2008 8:58:42 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: HarleyD
I'm not quite sure there should be a difference. We know when two or three are gathered, He (Jesus) is in our mist. Does Christ physically being here make any difference than His spiritually being with us? Does it change anything?

Sure it does, for Christians and non-Christians. Christian faith will be much stronger than it is now. Non-Christians will know for sure whom the Lord is. There won't be a question.

He was going away was to prepare a room for them in His Father's house. It would be difficult to imagine Christ returning to "reign" over this earth. This place along with everything in it is corrupted and is to be burned.

Well yes, but there's the millennium first. Christians are to reign with Christ on earth:

Rev 5:9 And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Rev 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Scripture also indicates that the creation itself will be delivered from corruption:

Rom 8:19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

This most likely occurs during the millennium.

I would suggest Christ has already established His kingdom but it isn't here. Christians have been born into this kingdom and we are His ambassadors to this world. Someday we will be called home. This world is not our home.

I would agree that it's not our permanent home. But the millennium seems to be a transition period. As to what form the universe takes after the millennium there's a question. What constitutes a "new heaven new earth"?

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

128 posted on 02/24/2008 9:24:28 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Marysecretary
I believe with all my heart that Katrina was a curse from God for our helping the Palestinians get Gaza and all the Jews were thrown out.

I would agree the Katrina was from God. All things are from God. Whether Katrina was a curse or a blessing depends on your perspective. I believe that even death is a blessing for the believer.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Seven
129 posted on 02/24/2008 9:25:54 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Marysecretary
Our Women’s Bible Study is just completing the study on Daniel by Beth Moore. It’s amazing and I heartily commend it to anyone who is interested in studying this book.

Thank you for the recommendation.

130 posted on 02/24/2008 9:25:55 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: RachelFaith
Are these guys the same Herbert Armstrong cult idiots? Cause, half the stuff in here is bogus white-supremacists mixed in with antisemitism in the disguise of Christianity. Reminds me of the old stuff my grandma warned me about. Armstrong was a wack-job kool-aid drinking fraud. As is about anyone who starts with the “Lost tribes of Israel are The UK and America”. I quit reading after THAT nonsense.

"British Israelism" has been co-opted and corrupted by white supremacists and anti-semites. But you clearly haven't read any of the information here because none of it is anti-semitic or racist. Can you present evidence of where you see such things?

For information about United Church of God, the publisher of this piece, see post 21

. Let me know if you have any questions...

131 posted on 02/24/2008 9:38:59 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Friend, that is no support at all. Instead, it is raw speculation, an unfounded conclusion. The author claims those prophecies were fulfilled but fails to offer any substantiation at all. He merely assumes that which he claims.

Granted he does make some assumptions. I believe he assumes that people will go to the link he provided to The United States and Great Britain in Bible Prophecy where the claim is presented in great detail. It's a relatively lengthy argument so I think the author can be cut some slack for providing a link and not going over the entire point in the article.

132 posted on 02/24/2008 9:53:38 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Ezekiel
Sometimes I think Palestinians are smarter than the average Christian.

Most folks that call themselves Christians are Biblical illiterates. If they're smart.....or stupid....is another question.

But.....there is no denying the fact that the Palestinians know, "Something is Up"!

133 posted on 02/25/2008 7:58:07 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: Seven_0

He certainly can make good out of what we perceive as a tragedy. Katrina was horrible. My heart goes out to all who lost their homes and their lives or those of loved ones. The innocent are always caught up in these tragedies. But God IS in control and He does what He sees fit for His own great purposes for our nation and our lives individually. We may not like what happens but when we press into God, we are delivered in some mysterious and wonderful way. The US has turned its collective back on God. He is trying to bring us back so he CAN bless us. He still has great plans for us as a nation and as individuals who will put their faith and trust in Him.


134 posted on 02/25/2008 9:21:38 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: DouglasKC

I think you would enjoy it. She’s a marvelous teacher. There are videos that go along with it, that you need to use. But it’s worth it. Maybe someone in your church or area would have them and you could borrow them. The first part is all about the dreams Daniel had, but it really talks about Babylon, it’s culture and mindset, which is OUR culture and mindset. She is trying to get us to see how this culture has affected our lives and our thinking. It’s wonderful.


135 posted on 02/25/2008 9:23:53 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Diego1618
I should have used "more perceptive" rather than "smarter". Well you get the idea. The knee-jerk revulsion to discussion about the northern tribes is typical. Knowledge contrary to the status quo would force people to confront major (foundational) theological issues.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hebrews 11:1-3

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Hebrews 11:22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

Joseph still lives (as evidenced by faith in the word of God), and it is an absolute vexation to those who desire to avoid this fact.

136 posted on 02/25/2008 3:39:10 PM PST by Ezekiel
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To: Marysecretary
. The first part is all about the dreams Daniel had, but it really talks about Babylon, it’s culture and mindset, which is OUR culture and mindset. She is trying to get us to see how this culture has affected our lives and our thinking. It’s wonderful.

I agree that Christians living in the culture we live in today is very much like Daniel and other jews living in Babylon and we can learn alot from the examples in scripture.

Thanks for the information.

137 posted on 02/25/2008 4:07:25 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Quix
I always recall the case of a UFO abductee . . . [keep in mind I consider “ET’s” to be fallen angels etc. . . .]

So do I. Quix, I am being bombarded by friends and neighbors lately trying to convince me the UFO's are from other planets, or the latest craze, "parallel universes!" More and more people are beginning to believe this.

138 posted on 02/25/2008 4:28:47 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Ezekiel; DouglasKC
Joseph still lives (as evidenced by faith in the word of God), and it is an absolute vexation to those who desire to avoid this fact.

You have hit on something here. People are absolutely vexed over this possibility.....that the Northern Tribes never returned from their exile and quite possibly are now located exactly where God wants them to be.

[Isaiah 65:15] And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name.

They will no longer be known as Israel. And........

[Isaiah 62:2] And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

[Genesis 21:12] And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

"Isaac's Sons"....Saxons?????

[Romans 11:25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

They will not know who they are.

[Hosea 1:10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

They will be believers in the Messiah but unaware of their heritage.....and a multitudinous people.

[Jeremiah 15:7] And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people since they return not from their ways.

On the other hand....Judah will not be as populous.

[Genesis 35:11] And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Israel was the name given to the Sons of Joseph:[Genesis 48:5]

[Jeremiah 24:9] And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

Judah.....would not receive the same blessings.

[Jeremiah 31:33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Israel to be under a New Covenant. Judah to remain under the Old Covenant.

[Jeremiah 33:17] For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.

The house of Judah has not had a King....or a throne since Zedekiah [II Kings 25:7] who died in Babylon.

When people learn these things they should shout "Praise God" to the roof tops. But.....some indeed get vexed!

139 posted on 02/25/2008 4:32:28 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: cva66snipe

Excellent post about Reagan!


140 posted on 02/25/2008 4:33:24 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: DouglasKC
where the claim is presented in great detail.

I should have mentioned that I had, indeed, visited that link. My point is that even there no argument, as such, is presented! Never does he present an argument attempting to demonstrate, using any of the common rules of argumentation, that there is any real link, other than in his imagination, between the UK and US on the one hand and tribes of Jacob on the other. I'm not going to send in for his booklet if I have no reason to suppose that its argumentation is any more persuasive.

I am not opposed to learning that there exists such a convincing argument--indeed, I am predisposed to believing that myself. I am opposed to faulty logic and assumption masquerading as one.

141 posted on 02/25/2008 4:40:41 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Marysecretary
I totally agree with you about UFOs. In a post to Quix, I said I have several friends and neighbors who are coming to the conclusion that they are from other planets, therefore they may be gods, etc.
142 posted on 02/25/2008 4:40:42 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred

imho . . .

they MAY be all the above together or some all some parts of such a scenario . . .

After all

ALL CREATION WAITS GROANINGLY EXPECTANT, EAGERLY SEEKING THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.

Whatever that means . . .

but why would other worlds . . . for example . . . hypothetical example . . . why would other worlds groan except under the weight of sin . . . polluting all creation . . . awaiting those ruling and reigning with Christ to set things to right . . . finally.????


143 posted on 02/25/2008 4:44:28 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
I'm not going to send in for his booklet if I have no reason to suppose that its argumentation is any more persuasive.

You can also get it in PDF Format right beneath the "Request by Mail" link.

144 posted on 02/25/2008 4:46:02 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
When people learn these things they should shout "Praise God" to the roof tops. But.....some indeed get vexed!

It is good to see you fighting the same battles Diego.

Why do folks get vexed? It is as if learning something new and wonderful should be shouted down. One of the troubles is when they shout it isn't with scripture because they can't argue the points...instead they attack what they believe is the source. The trouble being the source is scripture.

Things don't change....do they?

.........Ping-Pong

145 posted on 02/25/2008 4:58:34 PM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: Hebrews 11:6
. I'm not going to send in for his booklet if I have no reason to suppose that its argumentation is any more persuasive. I am not opposed to learning that there exists such a convincing argument--indeed, I am predisposed to believing that myself. I am opposed to faulty logic and assumption masquerading as one.

The link was to a 60 something page booklet, but it's freely available on line as either in PDF or HTML.

It will require quite a bit of study of both scripture and history. But it's conclusions are fascinating and illuminating. I believe it, but your mileage may vary. :-)

146 posted on 02/25/2008 5:05:52 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Ping-Pong
Things don't change....do they?

Hi Ping. [Ecclesiastes 1:9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

147 posted on 02/25/2008 5:08:02 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618; Ezekiel
You have hit on something here. People are absolutely vexed over this possibility.....that the Northern Tribes never returned from their exile and quite possibly are now located exactly where God wants them to be.

I once posted a simple math example that showed how many Israelite ancestors there must be. Let's say that out of Jacobs 12 sons, each only managed to have 2 children that reproduced. We know that at least in the 2nd generation that it was more than that, but we'll stick with 2 for it's simplicity. That would mean that the next generation would have seen 24 offspring.

Let's then assume that this generation only had an average of 2 offspring that reproduced. The next generation would have 48 members.

Within 30 generations, using the same figures, there would be over 6 billion people...6,442,450,944 to be exact.

Assuming a generation is 70 years, then this number could be achieved in just 2100 years.

Now I'm sure there are factors I'm overlooking, so let's say my 6 billion figure is off by 2/3's...that still leaves over 2 billion people that may have descended from Israel.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if one believes that Jacob actually had 12 children than it's almost inevitable that the world is going to be full of people physically related to him.

148 posted on 02/25/2008 5:31:27 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Sure it does (Christ physically being here), for Christians and non-Christians. Christian faith will be much stronger than it is now. Non-Christians will know for sure whom the Lord is. There won't be a question.

To what end will this achieve? IF Christ were to return tomorrow for 1,000 years, would non-Christians be saved?

As far as Christians, I believe our Lord chastised Thomas because he had to physically see and touch our Lord Jesus. Blessed are those who do not see-yet believe.

Well yes, but there's the millennium first. Christians are to reign with Christ on earth: Rev...

I wouldn't make too much out of Revelation. I have yet to find anyone who can give me a coherent view on the book. There are all sorts of interpretations. You could read Rev 5:10 (Rev 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.") as meaning believers. After all I already posted that we have been transferred into His kingdom.

As far as reigning with Him for a thousand years, Rev 1:6 already states that He "...made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.". We are already His priests. He is the High Priest.

I can't argue, nor am I'm trying to argue, Revelation. I just don't think the book is as clear cut as many purport it to be.

I would agree that it's not our permanent home. But the millennium seems to be a transition period.

With all due respect, why? What precisely are we transitioning to? This sounds much like the Catholic doctrine of purgatory-God's holding tank while we become better people.

Our Lord Jesus turned to the thief on the cross and said, "Today you will be with me in Paradise." I believe that happens to every believer, we are transported from this life to the next. When Christ returns, that will be that. The end. Unbelievers will go to judgment while believers have been judged already through Christ.

149 posted on 02/25/2008 5:41:38 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Ping-Pong; Diego1618
The trouble being the source is scripture.

Yes, instead of that extensive library of scholarly interpretation. It's as if people have invested (covenanted) so much time, effort, and money into studying the works of men that these works have become indistinguishable from (or have simply replaced) the word of Hashem. Notice that the truth can become falsehood by just a little twist or omission of a detail. The whole truth is the truth whereas a half truth is a lie.

Don't have a link handy but their is a valuable Judaic teaching that compares/contrasts the Hebrew word for lie (sheqer) and the word for truth (emet). "Sheqer" (shin quf resh) is spelled with three consecutive letters toward one end (extremity) of the alef-beit, but out of the normal order of quf, resh, shin. The word emet (alef, mem, tav), in contrast, spans the whole alef-beit, in proper order: first (alef), middle (mem), and last (tav).

Now there's an observation that doesn't contradict the word of Hashem; it simply makes note of the obvious.

150 posted on 02/25/2008 5:54:38 PM PST by Ezekiel
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