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Seven Prophecies That Must Be Fulfilled Before Jesus Christ's Return
Good News Magazine ^ | Feb 2008 | Melvin Rhodes

Posted on 02/22/2008 5:31:45 PM PST by DouglasKC

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To: RachelFaith
How do you know Evil Doctrine? By contrasting it against your beliefs?

You didn't answer my question. Were you compelled to your beliefs by overwhelming evidence from a neutral position, or convinced of them first, then found evidence to fit?

Tell the truth and shame the Devil.

201 posted on 03/01/2008 1:47:12 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell

I used to read everything put out by Armstrong until I learned more about his evil doctrine. I found a stack of his old old magazines in a church basement, and read them, intrigued by the very idea about lost tribes. Then as I matured, and read the Bible and not someones commentary I saw many errors, then I discovered several bible teachers who clearly and truthfully exposed this lie and I read their take and believe as they do for the same reasons I have posted.

AGAIN:

#1 The promise for the Jews belongs to the Jews and God HATES those who call themselves Jews but are not. Doing so puts the unsaved in danger of Hell by missing the urgent nature of repentance and conversion.

#2 Distracts the saved from Looking for CHRIST and preaching to other the imminent return of Christ, and instead puts the focus on SIGNS and the thinking of Man.

WHO or WHAT you are focused on, says everything, means everything.

Do not bother with Signs, Lost Tribes who aren’t lost and focus NOW on Christ Crucified, Risen and RETURNING.

The end.


202 posted on 03/01/2008 2:02:19 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Prophets who have come forward AFTER the Book of Revelation was Sealed are called Joseph Smith and Mohamed. And I sure hope ya ain’t listening to them!

Christ fulfilled the Scriptures and his return is all that is left.


203 posted on 03/01/2008 2:04:17 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
That is the entire problem. There are only three people on Earth. Those not looking for anything because they don’t know anything. Those looking for SIGNS. And those looking for CHRIST. You cannot BE in two or more camps on this one. This is WHY this False Doctrine is SOOOO BAD!! You are telling people “Christ ain’t coming yet because X Y & Z haven’t happened yet”

Well all I can say is that when Christ himself tells us to pay heed to the signs of the end...then we better.

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, let (him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Christ tells us exactly what prophecies to heed and what actions to take. He shows us things to watch out for before his coming and tells us to take heed of these things so we won't be fooled.

204 posted on 03/01/2008 6:06:38 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: RachelFaith
That’ll send a whole LOT of folks to Hell... Maybe not YOU... maybe you get the big picture, but yer NOT helping the unsaved find Christ by telling them they are covered by the Covenant of Abraham, NOR are you helping Christians with their rewards by telling them to look for SIGNS FIRST!

If people don't know what signs to look for then they're going to be deceived:

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Christ foretold what would precede HIS coming. I'm telling ya, if you don't pay attention to what he says in scripture you're going to be deceived when the "man of sin", the "son of perdition" presents himself as Christ.

Looking toward Christ means LOOKING at what he taught in scripture. Teaching others about Christ means teaching what he taught in scripture.

205 posted on 03/01/2008 6:19:23 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Mad Dawgg
I always wondered about such Bible Prophecies.
Couldn't God just amend them or make new ones at his whim and if he does, how will we know?
If a Bible Prophet comes forward Today he is deemed a nut job.
This has always worried me. How do we know God has not sent someone with New Words to live by and we just aren't listening.

That depends on how you view scripture. I believe that scripture is the final authority on God's plans and promises. We can have teachers, but Christians are to follow no man except Christ and we can't know if Christ is authentically indwelling in us unless we know what is revealed to us through scripture.

Christ kind of warned us against this:

Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Don't believe anyone because the coming of Christ is going to visible and unmistakable.

The book of Revelation is also a very long end time prophecy and at the end we are warned to add or subtract from these prophecies:

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

So if any man (or woman) comes along and teaches prophecies that are contrary to or take away from what scripture teaches the consequences are severe and we are not follow them or believe them.

206 posted on 03/01/2008 6:34:25 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Doug you keep pointing out signs for the JEWS! Are you in Israel right now ready to FLEE into Petra? If not then He’s NOT TALK’N ‘BOUT YOU BRO!

That is all years after the rapture and years after the peace in the Land.

This is why you are confusing the issue!!

Anyone “left behind” who isn’t Jewish is in for one HELL of a time.

The Age of the Gentiles will be fulfilled by the time of those signs you just posted.

And none of them have ANYTHING to do with the return of Christ WE should be concerned with.


207 posted on 03/01/2008 6:35:48 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
You probably need to face the fact that the greatest part of the worlds population contains genetic legacies to Israel and the first covenant. And all races are infected.

I think I know who Armstrong is but never read any of his writings.

Please do this. Google up an old map or two of the Assyrian empire and look at it.

I've read what you said, and there is no evidence at all that any of the house of Israel went back to Judea. Look at the map and use your common sense.

There is nothing "evil" about God's promise to Israel to spread out and populate the Earth.

It's been 2500 years since the Assyrian empire collapsed. Israel was place on the norther border of Assyria when it did. Look at the map.

There seems to be something about the remnants of the house of Judah not being the only heirs to the first covenant that drives some people crazy. I think it has something to do with what they think is going to happen in the end times and with the tribulation.

I haven't been able to get any sense out of many folks that bark their knees on this topic, just blind rage.

208 posted on 03/01/2008 6:38:01 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: DouglasKC

I am waiting for the Trumpet to meet him in the air! If anyone comes to Earth saying they are Christ and I am not coming WITH him at that time, that is the only sign I need to be worried about.

But then, that too all comes AFTER everything else, so we are still where we are...

You are pretending to be a Jew and concerned with the promises He made TO the Jews, About the Jews and FOR the Jews.

I am a Gentile and ready for Christ. The rest is out of context confusion at best and out right apostate evil lies most likely.


209 posted on 03/01/2008 6:42:05 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: William Terrell

I am not sure you’ve read anything I have posted Will.

Because your very first post is about RACE!

Genetics!

THAT... right there! Look no further! That IS the Racism of which I speak. That you are at all, remotely, in the slightest bit concerned with WHO is Jewish or Not... THAT is RACISM.

It is a blinding, unnecessary, ludicrous and repugnant distraction!

The Prophecy was SIMPLE, that the Jews would be REBORN as a Nation and as a PEOPLE.

WHO they are as a percentage of genetic tissue is INANE !!

There is NO Miracle if there ARE “Lost Tribes” of white dude claiming to be Jews scattered all over kingdom come!

You are, by the use of a man made construct, MISSING THE REAL MIRACLE!

That the Jews are BACK !!

Get it yet?

Jews... in the Land of Milk and Honey... and a Nation OF Jews that the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS to BE Jews.

That is everyone but a few off the mark cultists in the UK and USA.

Jews scattered... Jews Back. That is it. We’re DONE! Game OVER.

No more Prophecy to come.... for US anyhow... Our time on the stage is about over and I assure you... You DO NOT WANNA BE HERE for Act III!

Act II is God’s second Chance for HIS people, the Jews who have rejected Him....

Anyone who ain’t a “real Practicing Jew” (without regard to race in any way) has a one way ticket to HELL by then.

The whole “end of the World” is about God showing the Jews exactly what they wanna see.... cause they didnt want to see a poor crucified carpenter!


210 posted on 03/01/2008 6:51:48 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
Doug you keep pointing out signs for the JEWS! Are you in Israel right now ready to FLEE into Petra? If not then He’s NOT TALK’N ‘BOUT YOU BRO!

Christ never says we are to flee to Petra. He says:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, let (him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:

He says that when we see the abomination of desolation IF we happen to be in Judea we should flee to the mountains. This prophecy isn't just for Jews.

Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Christ's follower won't all be in Israel. Rather we'll be scattered all over the earth.

Oh, and the "rapture" theory, or a secret coming of Christ before he returns, is unbiblical. The return of Christ will be visible, unmistakable and a one time only event.

211 posted on 03/01/2008 6:54:19 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: RachelFaith
You are pretending to be a Jew and concerned with the promises He made TO the Jews, About the Jews and FOR the Jews. I am a Gentile and ready for Christ. The rest is out of context confusion at best and out right apostate evil lies most likely.

If you're a gentile you're not a Christian and you're not under the new covenant because the new covenant is only for Israel and Judea:

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

You probably meant to say that you were formerly a gentile who through the blood of Christ has become heirs of the promises to Israel....including the new covenant.

Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--
Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

As you are a heir to the promises to Israel, it would certainly behoove you to pay attention to those prophecies directed at Israel.

212 posted on 03/01/2008 7:01:06 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: RachelFaith
I don't understand how there being the bloodline of Israel widely spread over the Earth is racism, and certainly not capitalized. It would appear God is fulfilling His promise to Israel and Abraham.

The legacy of the first covenant was linked to the Israelite bloodline. Isn't that pretty clear from scripture?

The current day Jews are not a race. The Israelites of which they are a part are a certain bloodline descended from Shem. Has nothing to do with race. How do you think it does?

What is this hangup about the current day Jews? Please explain it to me. And what is it about the game over now that they're back? Remnants of the house of Judah have always been here.

I'm not sure I'm making much sense out of what you say. What sect of the Protestant church has this doctrine?

213 posted on 03/01/2008 7:31:45 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: DouglasKC

OK< I know where you are now. And I think you have been exposed all that I care to. My work is done here.

Oh but just in case, anyone is fooled by the use of language, there ISN’T ANY SECRET ANYTHING in the Bible.

Your “I AM A SECRET JEW” theories included.

That was my whole point. No secrets, no signs, just simple plain speaking says what He means, means what He says theology.

And believe me... when He shouts and the Trump sounds and we are all caught up, that won’t be a secret either.

Except for those who lack the spirit and are left behind, and they WILL BE deceived... tho, if ya ask me... I think those left behind are ALREADY deceived, and I am just trying to shed a light on the matter for those still watching.

As for You... I leave you to your own god and the vain imaginations thereof.

Bye!


214 posted on 03/01/2008 7:49:32 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
OK< I know where you are now. And I think you have been exposed all that I care to. My work is done here.

Well, thank you for your contributions and good luck in your studies.

215 posted on 03/01/2008 7:57:58 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: RachelFaith
You are one strange lady.

216 posted on 03/02/2008 6:25:39 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell

Thanks. I am for certain, not of this world.


217 posted on 03/02/2008 7:01:10 AM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
None of us are of this world. Only our bodies are.

Are you ready to explain to me your odd ideas about "racism", now?

218 posted on 03/02/2008 7:34:30 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: DouglasKC
As you are a heir to the promises to Israel, it would certainly behoove you to pay attention to those prophecies directed at Israel.

C'mon Doug.....you're makin' it too easy now.

219 posted on 03/02/2008 1:39:41 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: William Terrell
I don't understand how there being the bloodline of Israel widely spread over the Earth is racism.

And there my FRiend.....is the $64.00 question.

220 posted on 03/02/2008 1:41:32 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: DouglasKC

Bump for later


221 posted on 03/03/2008 7:17:42 AM PST by schu
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To: Diego1618
As you are a heir to the promises to Israel, it would certainly behoove you to pay attention to those prophecies directed at Israel. C'mon Doug.....you're makin' it too easy now.

That's my job.... :-)

222 posted on 03/03/2008 9:02:48 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Diego1618

I agree with you on the man child and the woman. The child is Jesus and the woman is Israel, and God will feed the woman.


223 posted on 08/19/2008 10:37:11 PM PDT by kevinw
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To: DouglasKC

Good Read!


224 posted on 11/15/2009 12:50:23 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: DouglasKC

I believe the parousia took place in the first cent. and therefore i see certain places where you err. Due to space constrains i mention only one:

Gospel reaching the whole world..
The whole world in those days was the “oikumene” the area under the immediate jurisdiction of the Roman Empire. Places like the US of A were not included because they weren’t discovered yet. So unless you see the world from their perspective, you tend to mess up the interpretation thereof.


225 posted on 12/22/2009 11:45:28 PM PST by mumbaiwalla
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Gospel reaching the whole world.. The whole world in those days was the “oikumene” the area under the immediate jurisdiction of the Roman Empire. Places like the US of A were not included because they weren’t discovered yet. So unless you see the world from their perspective, you tend to mess up the interpretation thereof.

That's a good observation about Matthew 24:14.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world (oikumene) for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

But I think the definition of oikumene doesn't limit it to the known Roman empire. For example:

Hbr 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world (oikumene) to come, whereof we speak.

In Hebrews 2:5 the author is referring to a future world...one which presumably doesn't constitute the exact same nation states of the roman empire of the time.

In addition when the gospel is referred to as being preached in the world in other scriptures it uses the term "kosmos", which indicates a wider application.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world (kosmos), and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mat 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world (kosmos), [there] shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Another thing, what I find interesting is Revelation 14:6

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

To me this may indicate that the gospel finally reaching everyone won't be accomplished until this supernatural event happens...very near the end.

Thanks for the chance to study those terms a little.

226 posted on 12/23/2009 6:13:07 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

bttt


227 posted on 03/08/2010 12:40:05 PM PST by daniel boob (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: DouglasKC

Hbr 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world (oikumene) to come, whereof we speak.

In Hebrews 2:5 the author is referring to a future world...one which presumably doesn’t constitute the exact same nation states of the roman empire of the time............................

Bro. Douglas,
I feel “world” might not be the right translation here. I think it should be “Kingdom” or “Empire”.


In addition when the gospel is referred to as being preached in the world in other scriptures it uses the term “kosmos”, which indicates a wider application

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world (kosmos), and preach the gospel to every creature.............

Bro, I didn’t say no. I just said when it speaks about his coming, its “oikemene.” The idea is that The Empire hear the gospel. It also explains the frenetic evangelistic activities of Peter, Paul, et. al. You don’t see that in the second cent.


Another thing, what I find interesting is Revelation 14:6

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,........................

Bro, This could happen even after the parousia. Remember, there is a second coming too. There are two harvests. The first was Pentecost, the second is Succoth at the end of the world. So the Gospel must be preached again after the parousia.


228 posted on 03/22/2010 9:29:44 PM PDT by mumbaiwalla
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