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Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
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Posted on 03/04/2008 6:46:14 AM PST by crusty old prospector

High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week. Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.

"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.

Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.

"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a classic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."

He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.

He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.


TOPICS: Judaism
KEYWORDS: crackheadprofessor; judaism; moses; projection; religion
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Dude, pass some more of the crazy toadstools.
1 posted on 03/04/2008 6:46:15 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

IBTZ!


2 posted on 03/04/2008 6:46:58 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Weeeellll....he had a pretty steady hand to carve out all those 20...ah, 10 Commandments in stone, considering (according to this story) he was “stoned” himself.


3 posted on 03/04/2008 6:48:10 AM PST by NordP (Obama might be for change....but I want dollar bills!)
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To: crusty old prospector

I wonder what this guy is on?


4 posted on 03/04/2008 6:48:17 AM PST by mountainlyons (confused conservative)
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To: crusty old prospector

It’s nice to see other religions have their nut cases and fringe!


5 posted on 03/04/2008 6:48:30 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: caver

Why?


6 posted on 03/04/2008 6:48:36 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: caver

Oh chill out!

There’s no zot here.


7 posted on 03/04/2008 6:49:34 AM PST by Artemis Webb
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To: crusty old prospector

What was he on when he parted the Red Sea?


8 posted on 03/04/2008 6:49:51 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: crusty old prospector

LOL, so all that smoke was not from a burning bush, but just Moses smoking weed. Too funny the levels that ‘researchers’ stoop to.


9 posted on 03/04/2008 6:49:58 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: poobear

LOL - in Islam, “nutcases and fringe” are the norm. Come up with a story like this and he’d be “stoned”, or preferrably, decapitated.


10 posted on 03/04/2008 6:50:05 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: NordP

He must have also given some to Pharaoh so as to help deceive him with his magic tricks, like the plagues.


11 posted on 03/04/2008 6:50:05 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.

No surprise there ...

12 posted on 03/04/2008 6:50:06 AM PST by tx_eggman ("they want to be judged on their intentions, not their results" - libtards official motto)
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To: crusty old prospector
"The Bible says people see sounds"

Chapter/verse, please.

13 posted on 03/04/2008 6:50:36 AM PST by Enosh ()
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To: crusty old prospector

Pharoah, and all his subjects. That’s a lot of weed.


14 posted on 03/04/2008 6:51:01 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: tx_eggman
Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology...

No surprise there.

15 posted on 03/04/2008 6:51:55 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

That’s right: The Easter is just around the corner... Passover a bit further on. But it’s never too early to denigrate religious observances.


16 posted on 03/04/2008 6:52:00 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: NordP

Carved in stone? That is a fairy tale. Maybe later, but not at the time they were declared.


17 posted on 03/04/2008 6:52:12 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: crusty old prospector
Yes and Moses only thought he saw the water part and the tripping people really walked across on top of the water. /sarcasm
18 posted on 03/04/2008 6:52:31 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: LetsRok
I KNEW I should have put "/sarc" after my post...thought I didn't need to. Teach me to think.
19 posted on 03/04/2008 6:53:29 AM PST by NordP (Obama might be for change....but I want dollar bills!)
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To: crusty old prospector
Sure. He was there. He saw it in person. He knows FOR SURE EXACTLY what was going on. Right. Just like all these so called experts on everything back in history. They ALL KNOW now what happened back then. They are THE EXPERTS, in their own mines that is. /sarcasm still on very heavy
20 posted on 03/04/2008 6:53:49 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama: NOT the next JFK. He is the NEXT STALIN!!!! Wake up America!!!)
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To: crusty old prospector

“Dude, pass some more of the crazy toadstools.”

He’s lucky Pharaoh’s SWAT team didn’t break into his tent and shoot his dog.


21 posted on 03/04/2008 6:54:11 AM PST by dljordan
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To: NordP

I thought it was originally 15, 15 ( CRASH )...

10, 10 commandments...


22 posted on 03/04/2008 6:54:21 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: crusty old prospector
Uh oh, expect wild mobs of Jewish and Christian youths to riot in the streets, demanding the death of this researcher!

Oh, thats right, never mind.

23 posted on 03/04/2008 6:55:10 AM PST by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: MortMan

Yeah, I was pulling up the scene with Mel Brooks in my head when originally typing that post.... ;-)


24 posted on 03/04/2008 6:55:17 AM PST by NordP (Obama might be for change....but I want dollar bills!)
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To: agere_contra

That wasnt Moses it was global warming


25 posted on 03/04/2008 6:55:41 AM PST by italianquaker (Hussein is his middle name, maybe his parents should apologize for it)
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To: tx_eggman
They'll stone you when you are in your car,
They'll stone you when you don't get very far
They'll stone you when you're at the dinner table
They'll stone you whenever they're able

Well I would not feel so all alone
EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED!

(cue off-key harmonica...)

26 posted on 03/04/2008 6:56:16 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: LetsRok

“Carved in stone? That is a fairy tale. Maybe later, but not at the time they were declared.”

Why is it a fairy tale? Obviously you do not beleive that God gave them to Moses. Carving in a stone would not be too hard for God.


27 posted on 03/04/2008 6:56:36 AM PST by jimbergin (GO FRED GO)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Why not? It’s a pretty stupid article.


28 posted on 03/04/2008 6:56:45 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Enosh
Caleb 3:45

And the people did partake of the forbidden toadstools, which caused them to turn on one another and see visions of sight and sound that resonated within their innermost being, calling out to them in unison - VOTE FOR OBAMA!!"

29 posted on 03/04/2008 6:57:26 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Artemis Webb

“There’s no zot here.”

What makes you say that? You must know something the rest of us don’t know.


30 posted on 03/04/2008 6:57:52 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

Just because the guy is new and he posts something about moonbats, doesn’t mean it’s some insidious, nefarious liberal posting.


31 posted on 03/04/2008 6:58:22 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: crusty old prospector
This is great! I just read that the Last Supper included amanita muscaria mushrooms, now this!

There is no evidence that acacia was used as a drug anywhere around the Mediterranean Sea. Some acacias contain dimethyltriptamine, but merely drinking a concoction of DMT is not psychoactive, they’d need to add in an MAOI like syrian rue.

There were psychoactives in use then, and they show up in literature and records, but to assume that Moses was high on an ayahuasca analog when he recieved the commandments is pretty outside.

32 posted on 03/04/2008 6:58:38 AM PST by DBrow
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To: crusty old prospector

Benny Shanon, “Who are you going to believe? Me or your own Mind?”


33 posted on 03/04/2008 6:58:48 AM PST by Isara
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Now I’m not saying I believe what this guy is saying, but in direct response to your question, wheat, the primary source of nutrition for all of the Middle East at that time is susceptible to a fungus called ergot which produces and alkaloid very closely related to lysergic acid. So if this was occurring, then mass hallucination is not beyond the realm of possibility.


34 posted on 03/04/2008 6:58:56 AM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: crusty old prospector

God’s gonna get you for that, Benny!.........


35 posted on 03/04/2008 6:58:58 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Artemis Webb

36 posted on 03/04/2008 6:59:22 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: agere_contra
What was he on when he parted the Red Sea?

The shore....

37 posted on 03/04/2008 6:59:23 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: crusty old prospector
"...suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances."

Well, d'oh, that explains this bogus viewpoint!! Want some Scooby snacks with those 'substances', Shanon? ;-)
38 posted on 03/04/2008 6:59:41 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: crusty old prospector
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.

Well, looks like Shanon has it all figured out...except the part about how the "narcotics" caused the commandments of God to be written on the stone tablets.

39 posted on 03/04/2008 6:59:45 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: crusty old prospector

40 posted on 03/04/2008 6:59:58 AM PST by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: crusty old prospector
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.

In the Hebrew Scriptures acacia is not mentioned as an ingredient in concoctions.

It is referred to as a building material and as one of several other plants in an idealized landscape.

Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures are any rituals involving psychoactive substances discussed or described.

41 posted on 03/04/2008 7:00:07 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: crusty old prospector

Caleb is a book in your Bible?


42 posted on 03/04/2008 7:00:08 AM PST by Enosh ()
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To: colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Elsie; Zakeet
Now this explains everything. I think I'll get some really good mushrooms for my next soup batch. Now we know why JS was so mixed up about all of the versions of the first vision. He was eating toadstools over in the grove.
43 posted on 03/04/2008 7:00:44 AM PST by Utah Binger (Statesmanship requires having no religious hangups; being owned by no one)
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To: crusty old prospector

Just another leftist seeking to denegrate our Western Judeao-Christian value system.

Nothing to see here.


44 posted on 03/04/2008 7:00:47 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: crusty old prospector
Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology

Is'nt that what that dips#!+ Casteneda had a degree in? Or was it some form of Anthropology?

So if I write up all the goofy crap that I saw when and heard when I was on L and 'shrooms and Peyote, and then say that this is what must have been Jean d'Arc's problem and that the Normans that ran France got everybody messed up on Bella donna just like their Viking ancestors, can I get a degree in incognito psychology, too?

45 posted on 03/04/2008 7:01:20 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: crusty old prospector

Moses supposes his toes-es are roses.


46 posted on 03/04/2008 7:02:03 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: NordP
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47 posted on 03/04/2008 7:02:18 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: crusty old prospector

“it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don’t believe, or”

or this researcher can make up whatever he likes, the more inflammatory the better to get media attention, and believe that instead. I suppose the Pharoah and all his court were also tripping like mad when the plagues came or the rods turned into snakes and started eating each other, etc. etc. Yep, one giant party there in ancient Egypt. :p


48 posted on 03/04/2008 7:02:34 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: theDentist

Passover is always the week of Easter - before.

That’s why we get the deMille flick “Ten Commandments” on network TV on Palm Sunday, instead of something dealing with the way-controversial Christian subject matter.


49 posted on 03/04/2008 7:02:43 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Utah Binger; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Elsie; Zakeet
WooHoo! I knew religious figure + drugs would yield JS.

:)

50 posted on 03/04/2008 7:02:57 AM PST by Enosh ()
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