Erik Quezada, 12, reads a booklet written in Spanish during a youth group meeting at the Los Reales Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Posted on 03/08/2008 5:14:33 PM PST by Zakeet
Spanish-speakers are fueling growth in the local Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which recently opened new worship space on Tucson's predominantly Hispanic South Side.
Many local Mormon worshippers, like 47-year-old Juan Arroyo, converted to the faith from Catholicism while living in their native countries. Arroyo, a roofer who has four children, joined the church when he lived in Guadalajara, Mexico. He's been in the United States for seven years.
"I was missing something, and my life changed greatly after meeting the missionaries," he said in Spanish.
Nationally, the number of Spanish-speaking congregations in the Mormon church grew by 64 percent between 2000 and 2006. There are 639 such congregations in the United States.
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The church is growing quickly in Mexico.
Church officials say its presence there began in 1875 when Brigham Young, then denomination president, called on six missionaries from Salt Lake City to bring Spanish-language materials about the church to Mexico. In 1885, a group of nearly 400 colonists from Utah arrived at northern Mexico's Casas Grandes River. Mexico's first stake was created in Colonia Juárez in 1895. By 1912, more than 4,000 members had settled in Chihuahua and Sonora.
More than 1 million members now live in Mexico, a predominantly Catholic country with a population of about 108 million.
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Erik Quezada, 12, reads a booklet written in Spanish during a youth group meeting at the Los Reales Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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The church is growing quickly in Mexico.
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They are now about 1% of the population, 1 in 108. This can only be good for Mexico.
Mexico could use Mormon values: Strong families, dedication to one’s spouse and children, hard work, appreciation for education and the arts, and HONESTY in all of one’s affairs.
It will be good for the U.S. too.
Could this be why Sen. Orrin Hatch keeps pushing the illegal coddling “Dream Act”?
Wasn’t George Romney born down in Mexico to American Mormon parents?
***Arroyo, a roofer who has four children, joined the church when he lived in Guadalajara, Mexico....
“I was missing something, and my life changed greatly after meeting the missionaries,” he said in Spanish. ****
Found out about their welfare program didn’t you. I have known a few others who joined for that purpose.
Are these not Catholic values?
Are you suggesting Hispanics tend to come from broken homes, are unfaithful to their families, are lazy, fail to recognize the value of learning, and are dishonest?
Do you always deal in stereotypes?
Yes. George Romney, Mitt's father, was born in Northern Mexico.
The Romney family migrated to Mexico in the 1880's (I believe) to practice polygamy after the U.S. began to crack down on the practice. They founded a group known as the Romneyites.
IIRC, George's father left the cult but chose to remain in Mexico. George emigrated to the United States where he joined the Utah LDS church and had a distinguished career in business and as governor of Michigan.
George made a run for the presidency and the question arose concerning whether he was qualified to assume the office since he was not born in the US. George's campaign never took off, and the matter became moot.
We find no problem with people who really want to talk to us about converting to their religion, we spend a lot of time doing it ourselves.
What we find offensive is when people leave out part of the truth to make a half-true lie , or when some one renames something, that we find important or sacred, so it sounds like gutter talk.
“George made a run for the presidency and the question arose concerning whether he was qualified to assume the office since he was not born in the US. George’s campaign never took off, and the matter became moot.”
I heard him give a speech in NH during the campaign in 1968. He was a good speaker. I don’t remember anyone talking about him being a Mormon.
Fred,
Would you please provide me with as many examples as possible of instances where I personally lied, renamed something, or engaged in "gutter talk?"
I would like to learn from my mistakes, and then issue the appropriate apologies and retractions.
Thanks.
/Zak
I’ll keep praying for their return. Always pray when I go past the evangelical church too.
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If Catholics would get back to teaching the Catechism ( as it was taught to me in St. Joan of Arc in the 50s), they too would be enjoying the same conversion success as the Mormons.
The Catholics have the truth. They should get back to teaching it. Mexico would be stronger. The U.S. would be stronger. The whole world would benefit.
Catholics should teach the pure Catechism.
If Catholics would return to the Catechism, if they did this, the whole world would enjoy fewer broken homes, more parents would be faithful to their families, more people would give a full and honest day's work and would receive and honest day's pay in return, learning would be valued, and the world would enjoy more honesty, and all would enjoy more prosperity.
The Pope “gets it”! He really is Christ's truth. He teaches the pure Catechism. He is doing all he can to get his sheep to follow in the path of righteousness.
Are you unaware that Utah leads the nation in financial fraud?
I used to have an insurance restoration business. Aside from attorneys, Mormons were the worst customers. I was wonderful until the Monday after they had a loss; after they talked to their friends at church. From then on, every one of them tried to screw me over any way they could. Got to the point where when they unilaterally cancelled the contract by telling me to leave the job site, I kept my mouth shut. Not one of them ever heard of expectency in contract law. Every one of them learned an expensive lesson; some of which were very expensive.
A month or so later, I would have them served with a lawsuit for damages in the amount of the expected GROSS PROFIT; not the anticipated net profit. It usually amounted to 35-40% of the total contract price. It got to the point that I loved it when I was kicked off a job. I had the case law down pat and even a Mormon judge didn't dare try to screw me over to help my mormon ex-customers. The law is very cut and dry. I never lost.
I am sorry. I don’t know what “insurance restoration” is, however, I don’t think I ever want to be in the position to need to know.
Sounds nasty for all involved!
SeaHawkFan, could you expand a bit on this post? I can’t relate an “insurance restoration business” to a jobsite. It sounds like it has something to do with construction contract law, but maybe it is just a difference in terminology that I am used to vs. what you are used to.
I was intrigued by your description of what happened, but there was not enough for me to follow what you meant. I would like to know more.
Thanks.
They founded a group known as the Romneyites.
IIRC, George’s father left the cult but chose to remain in Mexico. George emigrated to the United States where he joined the Utah LDS church and had a distinguished career in business and as governor of Michigan.
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This out right disinformation!
It is one thing to post your contempt but to make up stories
Is despicable!
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Re. This out right disinformation! ... This person does not tell the truth nor does it seem he has any integrity to draw upon from within! ... You can not converse with someone like that and neither would the Lord bother with this type! ... /restornu
I must admit I can't imagine anything more awful than polygamy ... Mitt Romney
I can see where you might get confused if you listen solely to Mitt, but according to this story in the Deseret Morning News ...
Polygamy was prominent in Romney's family tree
His ancestry lists several men who had multiple wives
While Mitt Romney condemns polygamy and its prior practice by his church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Republican presidential candidate's great-grandfather had five wives and at least one of his great-great-grandfathers had 12.Last time I checked, the Deseret Morning News was owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Polygamy was not just a historical footnote but a prominent element in the family tree of the former Massachusetts governor now seeking to become the first LDS president.
Romney's great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney, married his fifth wife in 1897. That was more than six years after LDS church leaders banned polygamy and more than three decades after a federal law barred the practice.
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Romney's father, former Michigan Gov. George Romney, was born in Chihuahua, Mexico, where church members fled in the 1800s to escape religious persecution and U.S. laws forbidding polygamy. He and his family did not return to the United States until 1912, more than two decades after the church issued "The Manifesto" banning polygamy.
"When you read the family's history, you realize how important polygamy was to them," said Todd Compton, a Mormon and independent historian who wrote a book about the polygamous life of the church's founder, Joseph Smith.
You can also catch a reprint of an article originally published in the Salt Lake Tribune titled Could ancestors haunt Romney? Polygamous family tree of Mitt Romney. Among other things, it points out:
Romney, of course, didn't mention that about the time The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints renounced polygamy in 1890, his great-grandfather was among those Mormons who fled to Mexico to start their own community where plural marriage continued to be practiced.
In light of the above, you might be better served in future posts by performing a simple Google search before accusing a person of lying and lacking integrity when they post facts which contradict your preconceived notions.
Ping
It seems you are a victim of Mormon Propaganda....
Two national censuses in Latin America asked people to identify their specific religious affiliation. In 2000, Mexico tallied 205,229 Mormons ages five or older. But the LDS Church there claimed 846,931 members as of the end of 1999. “Even if one recognizes that the census figure includes only people five and older while the church numbers include infants and small children, the difference is stunning,” wrote David Clark Knowlton of Utah State Valley College in an article.
Chile’s 2002 census said that 103,735 people 15 and older identified themselves as Mormon, whereas the church reported that Mormons in Chile numbered 520,202 at the end of 2001. The census reports in Mexico and Chile, after accounting for the different ages included, both listed Latter-day Saints in their nations at numbers only about 25 percent of what the church counted, according to Knowlton, a specialist in religion in Latin America.
B. Carmon Hardy, a polygamy expert and retired history professor at California State University-Fullerton, said polygamy was "a very important part of Miles Park Romney's family."
Hardy added: "Now, very gradually, as you moved farther away from it, it became less a part of it. But during the time of Miles Park Romney, it was an essential principle of the Romney family life.
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Miles Romney and his one clearly documented wife, Elizabeth Gaskell, had 10 children. Among them was Miles Park Romney, one of Mitt Romney's great-grandfathers.
Miles Park Romney had five wives. With his first wife, Hannah Hood Hill, he had 11 children. Among them was Gaskell Romney, Mitt Romney's paternal grandfather.
Hannah Hood Hill's autobiography offers an eyewitness account of the Romney family's polygamous past. Hardy, the Cal-State historian, found it amid research for his upcoming book, "Doing the Works of Abraham: Mormon Polygamy."
Hood Hill wrote of Miles Park Romney: "I felt that was more than I could endure, to have him divide his time and affections from me. I used to walk the floor and shed tears of sorrow. If anything will make a woman's heart ache, it is for her husband to take another wife. ... But I put my trust in my heavenly father, and prayed and pleaded with him to give me strength to bear this great trial."
Miles Park Romney's final marriage, to Emily Eyring Smith, came in 1897, more than six years after "The Manifesto."
Gaskell Romney, Mitt Romney's grandfather, was not a polygamist. He married Anna Amelia Pratt, the daughter of polygamists and the granddaughter of Parley P. Pratt, the apostle with 12 wives. Their marriage took place Feb. 20, 1895, in Dublan, Mexico.
Gaskell Romney had moved to Mexico with his parents in 1884 amid the proliferation of U.S. laws prohibiting "unlawful cohabitation." Anna Pratt was born in Utah but had emigrated to Mexico and lived in one of nine colonies established by the church over the border.
Gaskell Romney and Anna Pratt had seven children, including George Wilcken Romney, the former Michigan governor. He lived with his parents in Mexico until 1912, when the family returned to the United States.
George Romney married Lenore LaFount, who does not appear to have polygamy in her family tree. The couple, now deceased, had four children, including Mitt Romney.
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Tithing from illegals swells church coffers just as well as does tithing from citizens.
Senator Fine-Tuning immigration Measure (in UT)
"However, Elder Marlin K. Jensen of the Seventy has urged lawmakers to take a "more thoughtful, factual, not to mention humane, approach" to immigration legislation. And Elder Russell M. Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve has, as a member of the Alliance for Unity, opposed the repeal of in-state tuition for undocumented college students. That provision has been removed from Hickman's bill but passed the House as a stand-alone measure, HB241, which now awaits a Senate hearing."
I don't read Mormon propaganda.
LOL. I see your screen name on mormon-RELATED threads occasionally. If you don't read "mormon" or "anti-mormon" propaganda, how about reading facts that are posted with corrobating links? Do you check out the links?
If I had an opinion similar to that you have described, I doubt I would click on the mormon threads at all.
I believe Zakeet’s post was related to how the roots of mormonism were planted in Mexico.
Ok, then I completely missed it.
I am watching the grandkids this am and have not had coffee....ok not an excuse but the best one I could think off ;-)
Grandkids early in the morning are a challenge! ;)
Do you read Mormon propaganda?
Nope!
And,,,It is pretty rare for me to be on a Mormon thread. Very negative! Very bad Spirit!
“And,,,It is pretty rare for me to be on a Mormon thread. Very negative! Very bad Spirit!”
Even though Mormonism is a non Christian cult you believe that it is good for people to join them, you believe that the Pope “gets it” and that he really is Christ’s truth, but you aren’t a Catholic.
I think that it may help you to continue to read these threads, it may help you to reach a more definitive, passionate commitment to your faith.
I believe that is why I am reading them, it reinforces for me that my Christianity is under constant challenge and that it is important for me to know where I stand.
I will give a small example. I could bore you with hundreds.
One of my teachers was amazed that none of the students in the class ( all from the U.S.) had ever bribed a policeman, nor did anyone of us know anyone who had ever done it. We tried to explain that the policeman would likely be **insulted** and the legal consequences for us ( if we tried) could be very severe. My teacher was amazed!
Yet, Costa Rica is a Catholic country. I was raised Catholic and I **KNOW** that if the principles of the catechism were applied to their daily family and business lives, the quality of life for Costa Ricans would immediately improve greatly in every possible way!
Why is there this dual culture in Costa Rica ( and likely Mexico)? Why is a country with a long tradition of Catholicism, which is supposed to be teaching principles that would improve their temporal and spiritual lives, how can it be soooooo corrupt?
Having some familiarity with Mormons, I am encouraged to see people in Costa Rica joining this faith. I have met a few Costa Rican Mormon families and they are doing so much better in every way than Costa Rican families in general. Hopefully Mormonism, as it continues to grow in Costa Rica, will help this country spiritually and temporally.
My husband and I like to ski in Utah. It really does have the “Greatest Snow on Earth” and it is a short, **very** convenient trip by car to the slopes ( about 30 to 40 minutes). Therefore, I do have some personal interest in the state. I find it amazing that the great city of Salt Lake did not exist a mere 161 years ago. It was nothing but wilderness! What an interesting history the Mormons have! We also have some non-Mormon acquaintances who have retired in Utah.
It's not often that you'll find my name on the Mormon threads. If I do post, it's usually to say something well known such as the official LDS church does not practice polygamy..or some such thing, I don't usually have much of a spiritual opinion about any religion's doctrine, except my own.
What is your religion and what is its doctrine?
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Yep! Yep! Yep!
Yep! Having spent considerable time living and studying in Costa Rica, Mormon families are doing much better in general that the average Costa Rican. Costa Rican families are quickly unraveling. There is a high incidence of divorce and single motherhood. Infidelity is rampant. Children are being raised with out fathers. With each visit I make, crime and violence is much worse, and the dress and deportment of their youth deteriorates. If Costa Ricans would fully embrace the catechism of their own religion, Catholicism, and fully apply it to their lives they would be a LOT better off! In fact, it is my opinion that if Catholics returned to their gospel principles and junked all the Liberation Theology baggage they would not be hemorrhaging members to the evangelicals and Mormons.
Yep! I believe the Pope is very wise. He gives a LOT of very good advice and Catholics would be a lot better off individually, in their family lives, and in the outside world if they would fully do what he said.
Yep! I am not Catholic any more.
Re: Christ's truth
I do think the Pope is a good and spiritual man. Catholics and everyone would do well to listen and do a lot of what he is suggesting. It is good advice. In reference to the article posted, he was indeed speaking truth! I am sorry if I left the impression that he was was infallible in all area. I don't believe he is.
(Oh. So the "official LDS church" doesn't exist in the celestial kingdom? Could you then explain what that bumper sticker means, "Families are forever"?)
The poster is lacking in fundamental facts about the deeper things in the cult of Mormonism. The LDS work hard to keep that running as a current which they exploit. It is only later that ‘deeper’ things of the cultish beliefs would surface. As currently presenting herself, the poster would reject those hiden doctrines, but if cuaght up in Mormonism odds are she would sucumb. That is precisely why the LDS teach ‘milk before meat’, ‘never offer meat when milk will do.’ Deceit is at the very heart of Mormonism but the poster is unable to discern that presently.
hidden ... caught ... succumb ... is it time for coffee? Yeah!
But she seems to have no problem passing judgment on those who can.
Sorry! You will need to ask a Mormon. I am not Mormon.
It is one thing to post your contempt but to make up stories Is despicable!
Then post the TRUTH and quit complaining!
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This just SHOWS how PERSECUTED we are!!
Why, it is downright DANGEROUS to tell folks you Are a member of the LDS Organization®!
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Anytime!
We agree; but the TYPE of 'spirit' that we are talking about is QUITE different.
Exactly! If you're not a Mormon you shouldn't go around repeating deceptive LDS comments. LDS say, "We no longer practice polygamy" knowing full well they don't fully believe that nonsense. (They've only "colonized" it by saying polygamy is restricted to Kolob & places like that).
It's tantamount to where if you went to a Mormon's house, and they say, "No, our family doesn't practice XYZ..." knowing full well, that if "family" was defined by the practices not only of the immediate family but of the extended family, such a statement could not be made.
So, when you wrote: If I do post, it's usually to say something well known such as the official LDS church does not practice polygamy... that's an example of repeating Mormon lies. (And lying isn't very becoming)
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