Posted on 03/11/2008 8:05:54 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
-why doesn't the Catholic church recant Trent
Er... why should it? Is that the ransom for Lutherans to return to the fold?
-stop using condescending terms like "seperated brethren" when speaking of non-Catholic Christians
You prefer "hellbound heretics" instead? (just kidding, JUST KIDDING!)
-and, formally acknowledge that the full benefits of Christ are sealed in all who claim the biblical title Christian
Including the Clintons?
Only then can anyone have an honest dialog. Oh sure, you can sign a document with the ELCA and claim that progress has been made. But conservative Reformed and Lutherans will never, ever go along with such unless Rome were to take such steps.
Will they hold their breath, too? Because, other religions are currently batting .000 in forcing the Church to do anything against her creed.
Unfortunately, this is a lot like a teenager calling her parents from the bus station and offering to come home only if they agree to live by her rules instead.
I’m so glad you recognized my humor for what it was. Yes, he did. The question is ‘why?’. He did it as a show of respect for a gift that the giver held in high esteem. JP2 was a highly respectful and diplomatic man. I am sure he had a lot of thinking to do when he found out what the gift was to be. (FWIW, he was a far better Christian than I could have been in those circumstances!)
One of the first things to do when attempting to establish a discussion with one’s traditional enemies/opponents is NOT to piss them off needlessly. What is the Pope (B16) trying to do now (and what JP2 laid the foundation for)? He wants the persecution of Christians to stop.
Christ would have been kind to all sinners initially, but would hold to His positions. The same with B16 - let’s be civilized, but the point is we have to stop the persecution of Christians (not just Catholics, BTW). Religious liberty os a 2way street.
**Christ would have been kind to all sinners initially**
He wouldn’t wallow in their sin with them though, would he?
Good plan.
In researching the Joint Declaration of Faith (a friend of mine was in an ELCA seminary and had a bit distorted view of it), I noted that the then Cardinal Ratzinger was very upset about the appendix that was added on to the document. He had worked with the committee very hard to hammer out a good document, and the appendix basically nullified all of it. The JDF was still signed as a publicity stunt, but not much more.
Now, since he is the Pope, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to revisit this issue. But he has a problem. Many of the local Vatican bureaucrats do not want anything to do with it. It will be interesting to see what happens.
“Muslim-Catholic pact to foster respect” Yes, by all means let's UNDERSTAND and CAVE IN to terrorism. Meanwhile Islam begets another victory. Hitler wanted to be friends with the Russians too - some NEVER LEARN - when you are dealing with hideous people, NEVER, EVER, trust them. If we had listened to this guy, HE'D be speaking GERMAN. I'm GLAD the U.S. helped END the reign of Hitler!
I also better understand this:
Pope Issues Strong Appeal for Peace in Iraq
Sunday, March 16, 2008
VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI denounced the 5-year-old Iraqi war and issued one of his strongest appeals for peace in the country Sunday, days after the kidnapped Chaldean Catholic archbishop of Mosul was found dead.
“Enough with the slaughters. Enough with the violence. Enough with the hatred in Iraq!”
(Is he stumping for the Demoncrats?)
...
“At the same time, I make an appeal to the Iraqi people, who for the past five years have borne the consequences of a war that provoked the breakup of their civil and social life,” Benedict said.
He urged them to raise their heads and reconstruct their life through “reconciliation, forgiveness, justice and coexistence among tribal, ethnic and religious groups.”
The Vatican strongly opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. In its aftermath, Benedict has frequently criticized attacks against Iraqi Christians by Islamic extremists. Last year, he urged U.S. President George W. Bush to keep the safety of Iraqi Christians in mind.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338276,00.html
Yes, yes by all means let's resurrect Saddam Insane so they can resume their PEACEFUL terrorist lifestyle. Showing the knee, you can get executed for if you are a woman during a soccer match break. Yes, let's bring Saddam Insanes sons back to - especially the one that liked to rape girls and feed them and others to lions for amusement. Yes, let's bring back that culture and social outings of fear.
This guy was NO CLUE on just how we go out of our way to NOT attack enemies that want to slice off our heads. He happily condemns the U.S. and is slightly SILENT on those lopping heads off for criticism and even wants to be FRIENDS with the very people that are EVIL - ISLAM.
This guy is a disgrace spouting off HUMANISM and trying to pass it off as Christianity. Has he NO CLUE that in the OLD Testament God used WARS to get rid of evil and still does today? This humanistic utopia that is hypocritical at best will not and has NEVER worked in a world with evil. Evil doesn't abide by or respect those that are against good - that's Bible 101.
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