Posted on 03/25/2008 9:27:44 PM PDT by Quix
AZTEC'S annual UFO Conference is this weekend.
Featured speakers are:
Stan Friedman
Duane Tudahl
Timothy Good
Ted Phillips
Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
Dennis Balthaser ( emcee )
Scott Ramsey
Ken Storch
James P. Carrion
As you can see--there are some HEAVY DUTY HEAVY HITTERS IN THE GROUP.
Their bio's follow
Title: "Flying Saucers and Science"
Brief Bio
Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer Stanton T. Friedman grew up in Linden, NJ, spent 2 years at Rutgers University, and then received his BSc.and MSc. Degrees in physics from the University of Chicago in 1955 and 1956. He was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist by such companies as GE,GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet General Nucleonics, and McDonnell-Douglas working in such highly advanced, classified, eventually cancelled programs as nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and various compact nuclear power-plants for space applications.
He became interested in UFOs in 1958 and since 1967 has lectured about them at more than 600 colleges and 100 professional groups in 50 states, 9 provinces and 16 other countries in addition to various consulting efforts..
He has published more than 80 UFO papers and has appeared on hundreds of radio and TV programs.
He is the original civilian investigator of the Roswell Incident and co-authored "Crash at Corona: The Definitive Study of the Roswell Incident". TOP SECRET/MAJIC his controversial book about the Majestic 12 group established in 1947 to deal with alien technology was published in 1996 and went through 6 printings. A new edition was published in 2005.
Stan was presented with a Lifetime UFO Achievement Award in Leeds, England, in 2002, by UFO Magazine of the UK. He is co-author with Kathleen Marden (Betty Hill's Niece) of a book in the summer of 2007 "Captured: The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience".
The City of Fredericton declared August 27,2007, Stanton Friedman Day.
His new book "Flying Saucers and Science" is due out in May 2008. An advance preview will be presented in Aztec.
He has provided written testimony to Congressional Hearings, appeared twice at the UN and been a pioneer in many aspects of ufology including Roswell, Majestic 12, The Betty Hill-Marjorie Fish star map work, analysis of the Delphos, Kansas, physical trace case, crashed saucers, flying saucer technology, and challenges to the S.E.T.I. (Silly Effort To Investigate) cultists.
He has spoken at more MUFON Symposia than anyone else.
Stanton T. Friedman is a dual citizen of the USA and Canada and lives at 79 Pembroke Crescent, Fredericton, NB, Canada E3B 2V1.
NEED TO KNOW UFOs, the Military and Intelligence
A compelling exposé of the world’s greatest secret
Based on many years of research by one of the world’s most respected authorities on alien phenomena, Need to Know draws on top-secret documents, reports of encounters with huge craft of unknown origin reported by pilots and naval officers, and interviews with high-ranking military and intelligence insiders.
This book is full of revelations, including the alarming escalation of aircraft accidents following military attacks on UFOs, the disappearance of hundreds of military aircraft during UFO encounters and recent near-misses with UFOs.
‘...THE CLASSIFICATION WAS, FROM THE OUTSET, ABOVE TOP SECRET, SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF U.S. OFFICIALS AND POLITICIANS, LET ALONE A MERE ALLIED MINISTER OF DEFENSE, WERE NEVER IN THE LOOP’
Paul Hellyer, former Canadian Minister of Defense (2005)
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The proof, such as recovered alien vehicles and communication with their crews, is there but it is being denied to the general public, as well as to an overwhelming majority of scientists. But Need to Know provides a wealth of new documents and oral evidence, from all over the world, supporting the existence of alien intelligence and UFOs – and by focusing on military and intelligence evidence it is hard to refute.
Timothy Good’s previous books include the British Sunday Times top 10 bestselling titles Beyond Top Secret and Alien Liaison. As a leading authority on UFOs he frequently appears on television and radio documentaries. He lives in London.
More information is on his website:
HERE: http://www.timothygood.co.uk
Timothy Good is available to write features and for interviews - for more information please contact:
Claiborne Hancock, Editor-in-Chief, Pegasus Books
Born in London, Timothy Good completed his formal education at The King's School, Canterbury. As a violinist he gained a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music, where he won prizes for solo, chamber and orchestral playing. His professional career began in 1963 with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. He played for fourteen years with the London Symphony Orchestra, and has freelanced with the English Chamber Orchestra, London Philharmonic Orchestra, Mantovani Orchestra and Philharmonia Orchestra, among others. Composers he has played for include Leonard Bernstein, Benjamin Britten, Igor Stravinsky and William Walton. He has also freelanced as a session player for television dramas, commercials, feature films, and recordings with pop musicians. Among those he has recorded for are Phil Collins, Depeche Mode, George Harrison, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Rod Stewart, and U2.
"Autor of the Book - The Roswell Legacy"
The son of the first military officer at the 1947 crash site tells his Father's story - and his own.
"The world has waited a long time for the inside scoop on Roswell. Truth is an excellent curative for false proclamations. The Roswell crashed saucer retrieval is one of the most important UFO cases ever, anywhere. We need more information from those directly involved, and this book provides a good deal of important new material."
--Stanton T. Friedman
Description
My focus in this book will be to present the reader with a clearer picture of the man who was - and remains - at the center of the Roswell controversy; my father, Jesse Marcel, Sr.. While I must acknowledge that my own account carries within its own bias, I realize that my duty to my father is to present him as the man he was, as accurately as possible, lest I fall into the same trap as those who have allowed their own biases and agendas to paint a portrait that is not as much the man as what he represents to them and their goals. As such, I feel I am the only living person truly qualified to wield the brush. I hope I serve his memory well..
Update on the Aztec Crash/Landing Research
Just like any other topic, people are drawn to the topic of Unidentified Flying Objects for many reasons. Possible sightings, curiosity, a search for the unknown or the unexplained, legends, confirmation or a belief system, or documentation of history.
Unfortunately as with so many issues, information on UFO's can get lumped together, distorted or mistaken.
The authenticity of the Aztec UFO Crash/Landing of 1948 is a debated topic.
Scott D. Ramsey has focused the past 18 years tracking and documenting piece by piece the facts from the fiction. This journey has taken him to travel 29 states interviewing 60 + 1st and 2nd hand witnesses. In addition Scott has archived over 2279 Atomic Energy Commission and US Air Force Documents including uncovering three secret radar bases. Including having spent hundreds of hours at the alleged crash site on Hart Canyon Road comparing data collected from witnesses to physical evidence.
Fascinated by documenting historical research is what drives Scott to continue this quest.
TOPIC - Mr. Ramsey will provide an overview and update on the Aztec 1948 Research. This will be in an interview format conducted by Suzanne Ramsey.
Scott has been interviewed on Dreamland, the cover story for the MOUFON International Journal, Hilly Rose Show, Coast to Coast and Chad Lewis - The Unexplained. He has presented a number of speaking engagements and will be a featured speaker at the Ozark UFO Conference in Ozark Springs, Arkansas in April 2005 and the Denver MOUFON International Conference.
Additional links are active at the Aztec Conference link above.
I would ideally like a task force from our UFO and END TIMES ping lists to come up with some though provoking questions to help probe the Spiritual/religious issues so central to the Biblical GREAT DECEPTION involved in all of this . . . as well as the looming global government. Usually such experts know a lot more than they share at such Conferences. But sometimes perceptive questions can pry loose bits of puzzle pieces of some value.
Some folks are contending that the next world war will be lit off the last months of 2008 with China attacking the USA. I figure that the UFO phenomena will then erupt openly on the world stage in concert with such festivities. And, likely, the global government will become more overt along the way amidst all that.
Regardless, as the Chinese would say--these are interesting times. And, FREEPERS are quite bright. I think we should come up with 25 questions minimum--which would be thought provoking and have at least a significant chance of prying loose some bits of info of great interest to authentic Christians contemplating being alert, watching, ready, prayerful and ready to minister in coming trying times.
Also, what questions should we be asking in order to help our fellow Christians and others who are still clueless to wake up in time to avoid being deluded by what the Bible calls the GREAT DECEPTION--SO GREAT--THAT WERE IT POSSIBLE, even the elect would be deceived.
"ET's," fallen angels, nephilium, watchers claim that THEY bioengineered mankind as well as all man's famous religious leaders including Christ for social engineering purposes. The globalist puppet masters have bought into that deception wholesale and will be selling it to the planet en mass. This is no time to remain in the dark and clueless.
Please prayerfull consider what questions you'd like me to ask any or all of the above in view of such scenarios.
I expect to post the answers every day at the end of the Conference . . . along with my summaries of the better points of the better speakers.
I hope at least a handful of wise, discerning, informed folks contribute questions. But any fitting, respectful questions by anyone are welcome.
Thank you for your time. Please be aware that the conference is coming up quickly. Please ponder and post your questions soonish.
Blessings,
PINGING
both UFO ping list and the END TIMES/DREAMS, VISIONS, PROPHECY ping lists.
I’m hopeful that we can get together some penetrating questions at this critical juncture on the brink of so many fascinating dramas—most of which will likely include this phenomena as part of satan’s END TIMES deceptions and globalist manipulations.
Actually, some folks claim to have found extensive evidence of UFO type visitations to the Aztecs and that same encouraged the blood sacrifices.
I haven’t examined that evidence that closely but what I read sounded plausible.
Now, do you have a fitting respectful question for any of the expert researchers in the field?
Area 51 is isn’t the real base man their all down Mexico way. I know because I can’t sleep because of the radio waves and they tell me about the dig on the dark side of the moon man the government they’re developing the same super weapon that killed the Martians to use on the Chinese that’s what these Tibetan riots are all about because the Chinese are doing the same thing on mars.
It’s an arms race man an arms race!!
Perhaps you’d do well to check the Religion Moderator’s homepage out and pay some extra attention to the meaning of a
CAUCUS THREAD.
Is their “technology” based on an advanced understanding of the natural world (we could learn it) or on the supernatural (it will never make sense to us)?
Freegards
Will there be specific regions the ETs try to dominate first, or will it be worldwide?
Will some countries be allied with the ETs?
Will our current level of defense tech be of any effect to fight them, stop them, or at least slow them down?
Where will people be able to go to be safe from them?
Will they bring legions of ETs with them or just enslave humans?
As they have to come likely hundreds of light years to get here, how do they do that in vehicles that reflect light?
Thanks.
Appreciate the questions, you two.
My own understanding at present is . . . both . . . natural and supernatural. . . . though there is the old saw about a sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic.
But the ET’s appear to at least be in cahoots with satan if not out-right fallen angels etc.
But I’ll ask the question—who would you like me to ask it to?
Will check your questions next, Joya.
Thanks, Joya;
Who would you like me to ask those questions of?
My own preliminary understanding is as follows:
Will there be specific regions the ETs try to dominate first, or will it be worldwide?
Their efforts will be global . . . particularly in concert with the NWO oligarchy.
Will some countries be allied with the ETs?
The USA seems to have the corner on that-i.e. the traitorous globalist shadow government.
Will our current level of defense tech be of any effect to fight them, stop them, or at least slow them down?
Some say star wars was to fight God’s angel armies on behalf of satan’s global government. but uder the guise of protecting earth from evil ET’s.
Where will people be able to go to be safe from them?
ONLY IN THE ARMS OF JESUS, UNDER HIS BLOOD
Will they bring legions of ETs with them or just enslave humans?
some think the hybrids are being created as their slaves and army.
The standard answer is that they have a way of bending time/space yielding a short-cut through our time/space continuum.
Thx.
Popcorn placemarker ... Quix, my FRiend, you have the patience of a saint. You know you will get ridicule posting this thread. Yet you go ahead and post it and remain friendly to even the insults. [BTW, just leave off trying to answer some questions which require a different temporal perspective ... our science hasn’t gotten to that yet so it will all sound like gibberish. When so few even believe Jesus left the tomb with His body without rolling away the stone or unwrapping the burial clothes, well, the hill is too steep right now.]
I reckon the nuke physicist Friedman. I guess what I meant by “supernatural” is something that we have no perspective on, that is apart from any possable means of us obtaining/understanding from science, ever.
Freegards
EXCELLENT POINTS.
WELL PUT.
Thankfully, it is in a caucus designation for good cause.
But I’d rather not bother the RM unless necessary.
Thanks for your kind words.
Thanks for the clarification.
Will ask him if I at all get the chance. Usually he’s wandering around quite accessible as well as the end of his talks offer some question time.
He is a bit curmudgeonly—though of a friendly sort. But he doesn’t suffer fools gladly and gives typically quite terse answers.
Though if one believes that, they have to have a theory as to how it's done. By the scientific method, "they have a way", doesn't really cut it.
Think for a second: why would they reflect a perfectly good source of energy for their use?... And if their craft reflected light, our astronomers would have detected them by now. And one more thought: what makes you think they travel here in the same temporal field which we sense?
Not sure your point.
If you are expecting that I can ask a question and get a detailed mapped out, diagramed out explanation suitable for the common man in 25 words or less . . .
you’ll likely wait a long time.
If such is available, at the conference, however, I’ll try and retrieve it for you.
If you are bordering on being skeptically provocative and cheeky—find another thread, please. The caucus designation is a serious one.
Again, scientific method. I'm not trying to be a wise guy.
Many folks who really have it together come off as curmudgeons! I can’t say that I believe in aliens or devils posing as aliens, but I reckon this is an interesting thread for anybody who digs sci-fi and/or thinking about what might be going on if the reported phenomenon is true.
Freegards
When I was about 11 years old, I flung a trash can lid into the air several times and photographed it with a Poloroid Land Camera. Those were some of the best “UFO” pix I’ve ever seen before or since. But I had faked the evidence. Do you see what I mean?
Happy to have such friendly interests.
Thanks much.
Those issues are not the point nor focus of this thread.
Friendly skeptics posing fitting questions in a friendly way are likely to be somewhat tolerable.
But this thread is primarily for Christians who are well informed and well aware of the issues confronting Christianity already from the vast mysterious field full of disinformation . . .
and are likely to confront Christians all the more so in coming months and years. . . . indeed-confront everyone . . . but some Christians are not ready for the purported and real paradigm shifts that are looming. How to help them be more prepared is a reasonable question.
Debating the realities of whether UFO’s exist or not—is not at all a welcome part of this thread.
FREEGARDS.
How would I show you scientific evidence of Jesus leaving the tomb without rolling the stone away? How would I show you evidence of the handwriting on the wall in Daniel 5? Besides, I’m not a scientists, I’m a writer. It is my own personal hypothesis that Jesus accomplished what He did via Temporal differences from our current brane. We live on a 4D brane; a 5D brane would have access to the 4D space and the time, without being bound by them.
Too bad I have to work this weekend. If nothing else, it wouldn’ve been a good excuse to take a ride up to the Four Corners area.
sORRY ABOUT THAT.
Up from where, if I may ask?
Been warm up here last few days.
Well gee, I read “UFO Conf” in the title. I’d think Christians would be as open to honest thought even more than most. Am I mistaken?
I love the way you put things.
Thanks tons.
Then of course . . .
putting things for the
dain brammaged is a whole ‘nother issue and context! LOL.
Well thank you, Quix. That was a nice thing to say out of the blue.
You also read caucus in the thread. Please visit the Religion Moderator’s home page for the rules for such a thread.
Basically, caucus threads are for
THE FAMILY of like believers
to discuss in a friendly family atmosphere issues of concern to their particular group.
Other folks are acceptable
IF AND TO THE DEGREE that they are friendly and not argumentative, derisive, naysayers etc.
I say again, this thread is NOT to debate the reality of UFO’s. I don’t think I can state that more plainly.
There are dozens of other threads for that hereon. There’s one in NEWS ACTIVISM that begins with “military” you can search for the link.
Please do not persist in being contrary on this thread. Doing so will earn you nothing pleasant.
Of course Christians are into honest thought.
This thread is for friendly family collaborative sorting through a complex controversial issue without the distraction of constant naysaying and skepticism. Use any one of dozens of other FR threads for that. Not this one.
I hope that’s clear.
I live just south of Sedona. About a six hour ride.
But these are scientific issues, which I also deeply feel can lead us to deeper belief. But science, by definition, is quantifiable.
The 4D and 5D brane are structures within superstring, or M-Theory...which I'm also quite drawn to, but we can't bear them out yet experimentally. So we must ask questions from within are own theoretical experience. We might speculate outside it, with the understanding that it is indeed speculation.
My blood dad lives in Cottonwood.
I worked a summer on the road crew in Oak Creek.
Step-brother lives in Cornville.
Went to NAU.
Hike West Fork several times.
Love the country.
More than a little toooooo new agey for me, now, though.
Okay. I guess that’s it then. I really do apologize to you in that sense.
I appreciate your tone and respectfulness.
However, I’ve a ton of experience on such threads on FR and I really must protect this thread for the goals it was posted for. They tend to get out of hand instantly and never recover. I’m not willing for that to happen to this one, if I can prevent it.
Thanks for understanding.
I'm with you on the new agey bit. My Masonic lodge is next to the airport in Sedona and I have to drive by one of the 'mystic vortexes' on the way up the hill.
Sometimes they show up at the lodge wondering what we (the Masons) know about 'em. ;-)
Fascinating.
Verde Village usually has a good corn on the cob sales place doesn’t it?
Heading to bed.
Thanks,
BTW, How long have you lived in the valley?
If you lived there 30 years ago . . . you might of heard of my Dad. He was known as the Cottonwood town grouch . . . at least by many.
A photon arrives at your eye in the present of the source where/when it was emitted. If you're familiar with the Einstein, Rosen, Podulsky paradox, the only means I can conceive of for the two photons paired then separated, to communicate 'instantaneously', would be for dimension Time to have a volumetric variable expression for which we are not yet equipped to sense. But I think Jesus's resurrected body was that different from ours that He is a 5D (at least) physical entity now. [And, BTW, the eyewitness testimonies of Jesus's appearances post crucifixion are reliable enough to stake your eternal destiny on. He takes care of the rest for you when you Trust Him to be your Redeemer. Read through my profile page, then if you have further queries I'll be more than happy to attempt to address them in freepmail or e-mail. Or, you could wait for my book to get out on the shelves ... :^)]
Before my time. I moved here in December of ‘93.
I used to live in Aztec as a child in the 1950’s and in Farmington in the 1970’s.
There was never a mention of any UFOs in the area. How do you get a one hundred foot wide flying saucer out of the area without someone noticing?
But then, I also lived at Roswell in 1959 and was stationed at Walker AFB in 1966 and there was no mention of UFOs there either.
I believe this is just Aztec’s way of getting tourist dollars and trying to cut into Roswell’s money pie.
AMEN! PTL!
THX
AHHHH
My cousin made a trip to the site within a week or so of the event.
I suggest you do more research before forming firm convictions.
Nevertheless, this is not the thread to debate such on.
This one will do fine, for that:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1958871/posts?page=383#383
Interesting this many replies and almost 300 views.
Here’s a courtesy blurb from the Conf website re the conference:
Price for the 2 day symposium is just $30.00 total for both days ($20.00 for Seniors and Students)
**If you are a member of the Military, Police, EMTs or Firefighters
the cost of the 2-day Symposium is absolutely FREE!
All you have to do is show your ID at the reception desk**
Price for the Friday night Meet and Greet dinner is just $15.00 ($10.00 for Seniors, Students, EMTs, Police, Firefighters and Military personel).
To register Online for the UFO 2008 Symposium and the Meet and Greet Dinner Click Here.
For Mail in Registrations click here.
The Meet ‘n Greet Dinner is an informal affair where you will have a chance to meet each speaker in a relaxed atmosphere and ask them a few questions. Also this is where the winners of the Art and Writing costests will be announced.
At this years symposium don’t miss visiting with local author Donalee Wheeler. Her new book “The Chimes of Resdorn” will have you flipping the pages almost faster than you can read them!
Click Here for a preview
Where is Aztec New Mexico? In the North West corner of the state.
Check out Google Maps here
If you would like to be a Sponsor for the 2007 UFO Symposium Click Here
For as little as $50.00 you can help us keep this event going as a fundraiser for the Aztec Public Library - all donations are tax deductible.
The fact that New Mexico is number one in the world for UFO related sightings and because of the little known fact that of the sixteen recovered “crashed disks”, twelve were recovered in New Mexico alone, a new layer of New Mexico history seems to be emerging. So much so that the History Channel filmed much of their show “Hanger 18 - UFO Warehouse” at our symposium in 2006.
Our UFO 2008 Symposium will initiate discussions on the UFO - Alien phenomenon that seems to permeate our culture. Gain more knowledge about our symposium by viewing the Crash Map Page, and Crash Site
Our Mission for the UFO 2008 Symposium is to have discussions on the UFO - Alien phenomenon and the alleged UFO crash that occurred 12 miles outside of Aztec, NM in Hart Canyon sometime around March 25, 1948 and other UFO and Alien stories that invite investigation.
See our FAQ Page for quick answers to your questions about the UFO conference and things to do while in Aztec.
This event is sponsored by the Friends of the Aztec Public Library
and WEBB Chevrolet of Farmington.
SPONSORS
If you would like to become a sponsor of the Aztec UFO 2008 symposium, please feel free to contact Katee McClure-Event Planner, 505-330-4616. aztecufo@aztecufo.com
VENDORS
This years vendors will include: UFO 2008 Memorabilia, Alien Crash Debris, Alien Art, Unique Jewelry, Caricature Artists,, Kirlian Photography, Videos, Gems, Minerals, Rocks, Oils and Incense. Candles, Massage Therapist, Psychic and tours to the site. Food Vendors include: BBQ and turkey legs, hamburgers and hotdogs and soft drinks. If you would like to become an Vendor at UFO 2008, please feel free to contact us. For questions or more details see Vendors Page or call: the Aztec Chamber at 505-334-9551. You can also Email us
MEMORABILIA
To commemorate the Symposium Events, the following items (that have been in great demand) can be purchased from our online UFO Store . Also many unique items will be available at the Vendor area during Symposium 2008.
I would appreciate your views on Friedman. Lately I have the nagging feeling he has gone nutty.
Haven’t read anything that leaves me feeling that way.
His recent appearances on C2C have seemed congruent.
What leaves you with that feeling?
I don’t recall how old he is. Could be over 80. In much better shape than my dads are.
He’s always been quick of mind when I’ve talked to him. Has been very conservative in what he says—doesn’t like to get much into speculation. Prefers to stick strictly to what’s demonstrably evident.
Will certainly let you know after this weekend my assessment on that issue.
He’s kind of a curmudgeonly Walter Brennen in personality. Not totally warm and fuzzy and not totally cold and prickly.
He certainly has strong opinions and states them with wit and sometimes fierceness.
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