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To: Boagenes
There is no scriptural basis for the "veneration" of Mary.

Your first test is invalid. You assume everything from God has to be in Scripture. The voice of the seven thunders is purposely omitted, yet will that not be from God?

40 posted on 04/03/2008 5:26:49 PM PDT by papertyger (The left fosters lawlessness & bad culture by denying the legitimacy of the law and Western culture.)
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To: papertyger
Ummm, scripture is all we have to go on, that we can be sure goes back to the apostles (if you're a believer, anyway). The Catholic Church began to invent all sorts of things along the way, starting very early on. I don't accept anything made up by men as being on equal basis with scripture.

For instance, the "assumption of Mary" - that was simply made up. It wasn't even declared "from the seat" until the mid 1800's. But there's no evidence for it, no basis for it, none. The church has a long tradition, and the church fathers wrote a lot - and there is nothing indicating Mary died anything other than a natural death. The same can be said of the issue of her perpetual virginity.

This gets into the thing that keeps me from the church (though other things attract me to the church, the liturgy, parts of the tradition, etc) - a lot of stuff that got added along the way. I mean, the Borgias bought into the Papacy, they had orgies in the Vatican. Am I supposed to believe that anything "from the seat" (or whatever they call it) by men like that is on par with the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John or the Apostles Paul, Peter and James? Sorry, can't accept that.

41 posted on 04/03/2008 5:32:21 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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