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Before you convert to Roman Catholicism... (Top Ten List)
http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/08/before_you_convert_to_roman_ca.php ^ | 7 Aug 2007 | James White

Posted on 04/04/2008 11:01:22 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Alex Murphy

I’ll correct you on that because you are not quite right. I monitor my ethics and behavior 24-7. I don’t think anyone is saying that the Eucharist is the *only* way to gain grace...it’s just that taking God into your body is....well...it sorta trumps other ways.


21 posted on 04/04/2008 11:39:33 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Gamecock

Yep, considered pretty much all those things. More Catholic than ever.


22 posted on 04/04/2008 11:39:34 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: Petronski

>>...raised a Catholic all her eighty some odd years, first heard the Gospel on her deathbed...

>She heard the Gospel all her life at Mass, if she went.

You’d think so, going to what is claimed to be a Christian church. But, thank Christ Jesus, she first heard it from my cousin, while she was dying. Imagine that. She thought that going through the motions of a sacramental system was enough, and she thought that is what was taught to her throughout her decades in the RCC.


23 posted on 04/04/2008 11:41:13 AM PDT by Ottofire (Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg

***Do you really believe that the endless cycle of sacramental forgiveness to which you will now commit yourself can provide you the peace that the perfect righteousness of Christ can not?***

Jumping through hoops is for circus animals, not the saints of God.


24 posted on 04/04/2008 11:41:45 AM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Ottofire

If she didn’t hear it, she wasn’t listening....if this story is true at all.


25 posted on 04/04/2008 11:43:07 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Gamecock

Whomever wrote this-—

“Do you seriously believe the Apostles taught that Mary was immaculately conceived...”

has shown their absolute ignorance of the meaning of the Immaculate Conception and the Catholic faith.


26 posted on 04/04/2008 11:43:53 AM PDT by John W (We're all gonna die!!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It is important to you, isn't it?

Well, ZC, we know it's important to YOU...LOL...I hardly see you talk about anything else. :)

And I feel the need to remind you that the inerrantist position has not been repudiated. I would agree with you that people, even bishops and even popes, have been trying to play footsie with it, but what right have they to trump numerous dogmatic statements in this regard?

27 posted on 04/04/2008 11:47:14 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Petronski

>If she didn’t hear it, she wasn’t listening....if this story is true at all.

It is quite true, but then again, I have had the ‘charity’ of the Catholics thrown at me before in forum and in freepmail. Thanks for reminding me.


28 posted on 04/04/2008 11:48:06 AM PDT by Ottofire (Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Much like the many American Catholics are on B.C. pills?


29 posted on 04/04/2008 11:49:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (Viva La Reformacion!)
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To: Ottofire

Practice charity and you might receive more in return.

Claiming a life long Catholic never heard the Gospel is not charitable, and I think you know that.


30 posted on 04/04/2008 11:50:11 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski; Claud; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Frumanchu
You’re really linking up the garbage you posted in that #199? You really want to show that off?

Yeah, I think I'll keep linking to it. See Claud's posts 11 and 21...

If Christ wanted to use bread and water and oil and wine to impart grace, then by gum, I'll take the bread and water and oil and wine and be darn thankful that He did so....I don’t think anyone is saying that the Eucharist is the *only* way to gain grace...it’s just that taking God into your body is....well...it sorta trumps other ways.

From what I am told by Catholics on FR, (and stop me if I’m wrong) Catholics are sanctified primarily by the ingestion of the Eucharist...

31 posted on 04/04/2008 11:53:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Ottofire

“...raised a Catholic all her eighty some odd years, first heard the Gospel on her deathbed...”

Now that’s just silly.


32 posted on 04/04/2008 11:54:40 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Gamecock
9) Have you read an objective history of the early church? I refer to one that would explain the great diversity of viewpoints to be found in the writings of the first centuries, and that accurately explains the controversies, struggles, successes and failures of those early believers?

I would like to hear what said sources are.

It's a bit funny, ain't it, that all the Apostolic Churches, including the Orthodox and Oriental Churches who dispute vigorously the Papal claims and have no truck with Rome, nevertheless seem to shy away from the Reformation doctrines like the plague.

Why is that, Dr. White? Were they *all* corrupted? Every single one of them? Did the Ethiopians all fall prey to the same "Romanism" that affected the Byzantines and the Malabarese and Armenians?

You can make a case that the Church Fathers are not as clear as we'd like. But to portray them as all over the map on core doctrines like the Eucharist is hogwash.

Someone of you Reformed Christians do me a personal favor and post one of the Fathers who is supposedly denying the Real Presence. Have at it. Their writings are all over the Internet...shouldn't be hard to find. I have seen enough of said quotations to know they are almost always twisted and wrenched out of context to support a Reformation position, and when you dig down deeper they are found to *assert* the very thing they are cited to disprove.

Enough idle chitchat. Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work here!

33 posted on 04/04/2008 11:56:00 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Petronski

>Practice charity and you might receive more in return.

I am, actually. Preaching the Gospel to those in an apostate church is an act of love. I will weather your bitterness, and continue in love.

>Claiming a life long Catholic never heard the Gospel is not charitable, and I think you know that.

Truth is truth.


34 posted on 04/04/2008 11:57:53 AM PDT by Ottofire (Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
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To: Alex Murphy
From your post in the linked thread:

For Protestants, it is a question of ethics and behavior 24/7.

"Ethics" and "behavior"? You're sanctified by trying really, really, really hard to be good?

35 posted on 04/04/2008 11:58:36 AM PDT by Campion
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To: OpusatFR

Good thing you were sitting in the pew right next to her. Tell me what she heard! Please?


36 posted on 04/04/2008 11:59:14 AM PDT by Ottofire (Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
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To: Alex Murphy; Petronski

Alex can cite 199 all he wants.

And I’ll cite this.

“Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.”

I don’t think he gets the better end of that deal! :)


37 posted on 04/04/2008 12:01:11 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Ottofire

“Good thing you were sitting in the pew right next to her. Tell me what she heard! Please?”

The story’s premise is that a lifelong Catholic had never heard the Bible.

She was on her deathbed and was what, read the Gospel?

You tell me what occurred.


38 posted on 04/04/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Gamecock
Much like the many American Catholics are on B.C. pills?

The situations aren't entirely parallel. The official teachings of the RC Church on BC remains unchanged and Catholics on BC are objectively disobeying their religion. However, actual documents and catechisms on the Bible written by church authorities and disseminated in Church media actually often state the exact opposite of what the old documents did, thus indicating a change in the "unchangeable" doctrines of the Church. And if you ask them why, they'll tell you these old doctrines had to be changed because they have been disproven.

What else will be discarded when it has been disproven, eh?

39 posted on 04/04/2008 12:02:42 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshei hashanah.)
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To: Ottofire; OpusatFR

LOL...Opus, I think our friend Ottofire is not quite familiar with the concept of liturgy. :)

Opus could tell you exactly what passages she heard and when....to the day. Pick a day and pick a year.


40 posted on 04/04/2008 12:05:20 PM PDT by Claud
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