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To: hosepipe
as some RCC and EO worship their church(as an IDOL).

Some may. Personally, I post about 9 to 1 criticizing my Church (in terms of its modernist errors), compared to blindly praising it. But it know the Truth is still there, as in the unbroken chain of The Papacy. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on the contemporary Church, although protestantized accommodations by and through ecumenically obsessed bishops and popes (not the current one) makes it tough.

13 posted on 04/04/2008 12:00:29 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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[ But it know the Truth is still there, as in the unbroken chain of The Papacy. ]

The Papacy chain is not supported by everyone.. Job security is not supported by scripture.. i.e Mattias did more or less nothing.. Instead Jesus(Holy Spirit) selected Saul himself.. to replace Judas.. Selecting Mattias was a MISTAKE..

19 posted on 04/04/2008 12:21:27 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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I Tim 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus

I grew up in the catholic church an in my experience, the church places itself first, Mary second and Jesus last. The Holy Spirit is an after thought. I have seen the church do a lot of good, but then I have seen the United Way do a lot of good too. The NFL players association does wonderful work too. Having said that, I have seen a lot more bad than good from the church and Jesus said, “by their fruit you will recognize them.”

I guess if I were in a religion that was so damned by the scriptures I would want to minimize their importance too. I don't blame you for that. In fact, if I were the devil himself, I wouldn't want people following scripture or even reading it. I would much rather the people listen to well intending people who were blind guides.

What it boils down to is the arrogance of proclaiming man and God as equals. That's what you do when you say the church is superior to the scriptures.

The church is made up of people, sinners in need of salvation. All your pope's, bishops and priests were frail sinful men who were and are deserving of death. There is nothing special or sacred about any of your holy men. They are no different from the rest of us. Why would I allow a blind man to lead me in to a pit? Mary's blood cant forgive sin no matter what your scholars write. She was just as awful and sinful as the rest of us. The bible tells me this. And when the bible and the church contradict, you throw out the word of God for the sake of your traditions. You honor God with your lips but your hearts are far from him, your teachings are simply rules taught by men.
These are not my revelations, it's right there in the bible....the words you work so diligently to minimize.

25 posted on 04/04/2008 12:48:34 PM PDT by texan75010
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