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Provides a useful background on Marian devotion for Catholics
1 posted on 04/11/2008 8:33:54 PM PDT by markomalley
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Challenge the Caucus designation of this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2000422/posts

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Non Caucus members should be able to refute misrepresentation:

Article states that “Luther and Calvin believed, for example, in Mary’s perpetual virginity.”

Compare with:

‘It is said that Joseph knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son: but this is limited to that very time. What took place afterwards, the historian does not inform us. Such is well known to have been the practice of the inspired writers. Certainly, no man will ever raise a question on this subject, except from curiosity; and no man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.’
Calvin’s COMMENTARY ON A HARMONY OF THE EVANGELISTS, MATTHEW, MARK, AND LUKE
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom31.ix.xv.html


2 posted on 04/11/2008 9:32:08 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: markomalley
Ave Maria.

Mary is...there aren't enough words. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee!

4 posted on 04/11/2008 9:39:28 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ( If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...)
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To: markomalley

Wonderful article. Marking it for my saves page of bookmarks.


5 posted on 04/11/2008 9:49:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: markomalley
Don't get me wrong, I hold Mary in high regard, just as I do all the Saints of the Bible, but none of them are Deity, so how come people pray to them? That's about like me praying to my grandmother that passed on.
11 posted on 04/11/2008 10:36:28 PM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: markomalley

Scott Hahn will be speaking here next month. I’m encouraging my husband to go, since I’ve seen Dr. Hahn before, but he keeps mumbling about Boy Scouts.


21 posted on 04/12/2008 4:38:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: markomalley
You know, I doubt anyone would seriously question the devotion of Orthodox Christians to the Most Holy Theotokos, especially this time of year when so many of us come home a night or two a week reeking of incense and hoarse from chanting the Akathist Hymn, but when I read articles like this one, I get marginally "creeped out" because, as it seems to me, lurking in the background is that whole Co-Redemptrix heresy.

Panagia the Unfading Rose

27 posted on 04/12/2008 7:15:51 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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28 posted on 04/12/2008 7:17:04 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: markomalley; vladimir998; Salvation; dangus; Kolokotronis

Gk Chesterton said the following so beautifully and it pretty much shows that the puritans were bizarre fundamentalists in understanding Christianity,it’s only gotten worse these days

Chesterton writes...

“”When I was a boy a more Puritan generation objected to a statue upon my parish church representing the Virgin and Child. After much controversy, they compromised by taking away the Child. One would think that this was even more corrupted with Mariolatry, unless the mother was counted less dangerous when deprived of a sort of weapon. But the practical difficulty is also a parable. You cannot chip away the statue of a mother from all round that of a newborn child. You cannot suspend the new-born child in mid-air; indeed you cannot really have a statue of a newborn child at all. Similarly, you cannot suspend the idea of a newborn child in the void or think of him without thinking of his mother. You cannot visit the child without visiting the mother, you cannot in common human life approach the child except through the mother. If we are to think of Christ in this aspect at all, the other idea follows I as it is followed in history. We must either leave Christ out of Christmas, or Christmas out of Christ, or we must admit, if only as we admit it in an old picture, that those holy heads are too near together for the haloes not to mingle and cross.””


35 posted on 04/12/2008 10:09:02 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: markomalley; newgeezer
Scott Hahn: "If We Ignore the Mother, We Can't See the Child"

John 5: 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

1 John 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

rev 22: 18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;

The RCC is guilty of adding scripture!!! If God wanted to hold people accountable to knowing Mary it would be there a we see the relationship between knowing the Son and the Father is there. But the Bible always falls short of proving RCC doctrine doesn't it.

49 posted on 04/14/2008 6:01:25 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: All
Jesus is no longer a child.

It is not common practice (or biblically encouraged practice) to relate to any mature adult ... through his/her mother.

50 posted on 04/15/2008 8:13:11 AM PDT by Quester
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