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United Methodist Bishop Wants Church to Stay in Pro-Abortion Coalition
Life News ^ | 4/15/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/15/2008 4:35:41 PM PDT by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A leading United Methodist Church bishop is coming under heavy criticism for wanting to keep the Protestant denomination as a member of a pro-abortion coalition for religious groups. The UMC has been dogged from pro-life advocates within the denomination for decades.

San Francisco-area United Methodist Bishop Beverly Shamana, the president of the church's Washington lobby office, is urging UMC officials to keep the group involved in the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

The Washington-based RCRC defends unrestricted abortion in the name of its members and actively lobbies against pro-life legislation on Capitol Hill.

The United Methodist Board of Church and Society and the United Methodist Women's Division both belong to the pro-abortion coalition.

Last year, the North Carolina and Mississippi Conferences, along with the regional bodies representing United Methodists in eastern Tennessee, Southern Indiana, and Northwest Texas passed resolutions calling on the denomination to withdraw its membership in RCRC.

The United Methodist General Conference meets April 23-May 2 and a debate is expected on resolutions from the Methodist groups and others against RCRC involvement.

Mark Tooley, the executive director of the United Methodist Action Committee of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, told LifeNews.com the UMC involvement in the pro-abortion group makes little sense.

"RCRC claims that no unborn child ever deserves legal protection. Why would any 'religious' group wish to endorse such an outlandish perspective?" Tooley asked.

"Bishop Shamana claims that 'God offers the freedom of choice to the human family.' On what Scripture or Christian tradition do she and other pro-RCRC church officials base their draconian and absolutist claims that no abortion anywhere should ever be restricted?" he added.

"RCRC is not a faith organization," Tooley added. "It is a radical political lobby that advocates limitless abortion on demand. It is funded primarily by left-wing foundations, while borrowing the credibility of mainline churches in order to slap a religious veneer on abortion rights extremism."

In January, another pro-life group, LifeWatch, the unofficial United Methodist pro-life caucus, urged members of the church to ask it to withdraw its membership in RCRC.

LifeWatch sponsored Bishop William Willimon of Birmingham, who delivered a speech at the annual March for Life.

Two years ago, Bishop Timothy Whitaker of Florida made history at the LifeWatch service by publicly criticizing United Methodist pro-abortion rights policies

In 1972, leaders of the United Methodist Church narrowly voted to adopt a position broadly in favor of legal abortion. But there have been several incremental improvements in the years since then.

For instance, in 2000 the denomination adopted a position against most instances of partial-birth abortion.

Related web sites:
LifeWatch - http://www.lifewatch.org


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; methodist; ncc; prolife; religiousleft
NOBODY can be a true Christian and support infanticide.
1 posted on 04/15/2008 4:35:41 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser

Pro-Life Ping


2 posted on 04/15/2008 4:36:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe

I’m not sure who, if anyone, has a Methodist ping list, but this is very disturbing news.


3 posted on 04/15/2008 4:37:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“Bishop Shamana claims that ‘God offers the freedom of choice to the human family.”

Bishop Shamana is on crack.


4 posted on 04/15/2008 4:41:10 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: xzins

ping


5 posted on 04/15/2008 4:46:05 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: wagglebee

The Bishops do their best to humiliate the flock in so many ways.

All I can say is that I am one Methodist that does not support Abortion


6 posted on 04/15/2008 5:02:43 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian

I know a lot of Methodists and NONE of them support abortion either.


7 posted on 04/15/2008 5:04:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Another “church” full of atheists who have nothing to do on the odd Sunday morning.


8 posted on 04/15/2008 5:13:24 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Women swooned in Mao's presence too.)
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To: DarthVader
“Bishop Shamana claims that ‘God offers the freedom of choice to the human family.”

Yup.That's why they're called The Ten Suggestions.

9 posted on 04/15/2008 5:15:24 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Women swooned in Mao's presence too.)
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To: wagglebee
Is “Bishop Shamana” the husband of one wife? Her problems with God and Scripture began long before she ever gets to the murder of the unborn.
10 posted on 04/15/2008 5:25:26 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: wagglebee
The ironic part is, the closet humanists who have infiltrated the various denominations disguised as clergy are oblivious/unconcerned/unconvinced that they'll burn in a deep pit in Hell for their mockery.

F**k 'em. Let 'em burn.


11 posted on 04/15/2008 5:30:13 PM PDT by Viking2002 (I hope the AG pounds the Mann Act up Spitzer's ass with a sharp stick.)
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To: Conan the Librarian
Unfortunately, there is a lot more wrong with the Methodist church than just the issue of abortion. They belong to the National Council of Churches which is a definitely left-leaning socialist group.

The NCC was originally founded to promote communism. It is so sad to see unwitting parishoners of the NCC churches supporting the NCC with their time and money.

I urge you to read up on the NCC. They're part of the radical environmental movement as well as the promotion of homosexuality. It's really not churches at all--it's more political than religious. http://www.geocities.com/nccwatch/

12 posted on 04/15/2008 5:31:27 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

If I remember correctly, it was a woman Methodist pastor who met with Elian and his grandmother(s), who joined with the NCC to recommend that he be sent to live with his father.

The grandmothers even behaved inappropriately, as I recall, to try to get Elian to be left alone with his relatives in Miami, but to no avail.

That whole episode soured me on Methodists forever. I do not respect them at all.


13 posted on 04/15/2008 5:40:56 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne

If I recall, the Methodist church paid for the lawyers working to get Elian returned to Cuba. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRD,GFRD:2007-22,GFRD:en&q=methodist+church%2c+elian+Gonzales


14 posted on 04/15/2008 5:54:13 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I had forgotten that. Thanks, and thanks for the link.


15 posted on 04/15/2008 6:22:17 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: wagglebee

NOBODY can be a true Christian and support infanticide.

So true, Wagglebee! In a different article, Tooley revealed that the RCRC got help getting established by Playboy. Just as bad (I think worse), Planned Parenthood’s “chaplain” is Methodist minister Ignacio Castuera.


16 posted on 04/15/2008 6:27:39 PM PDT by Inclines to the Right (Free Compean and Ramos!)
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To: wagglebee; Revelation 911; AppyPappy; opus86

I don’t have a UMC ping list. However, the good news is that the liberals in the denomination are afraid of the progress being made.


17 posted on 04/15/2008 6:45:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: wagglebee

I agree, wagglebee.


18 posted on 04/15/2008 10:01:33 PM PDT by kevinw
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


19 posted on 04/16/2008 4:50:44 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: xzins

With all due respect, I do not believe you can reform the denomination without divorcing them from the NCC and WCC and that will be almost impossible. These liberals are not going to go away. How can you purge the Methodist church of the libs?


20 posted on 04/16/2008 5:02:21 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: xzins
However, the good news is that the liberals in the denomination are afraid of the progress being made.

The bad news is that fear makes liberals even more dangerous.

21 posted on 04/16/2008 5:09:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; Revelation 911; AppyPappy; opus86; Corin Stormhands

Also, with respect, ConservGG, the issue is not the NCC and the WCC. They are symptoms of an underlying problem as are all such administrative/policy type issues.

The issue at the heart of everything is faith in a truly resurrected Christ as revealed in a Divinely inspired, complete, and authoritative Old and New Testament.

The issue has always been deviation from scriptural Christianity.


22 posted on 04/16/2008 5:14:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: wagglebee

Jesus said, “Be of good cheer. I have OVERCOME the world.”

Christianity is a Good News faith. :>)


23 posted on 04/16/2008 5:16:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

The Lord also warned us about wolves in sheeps clothing and it seems that all churches have more than enough of them.

But you’re correct, we have always known that it would get VERY BAD before His Return, and that is Good News.


24 posted on 04/16/2008 5:21:46 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xzins

Absolutely but I still do not know how you can expect these people to go away. You’re outnumbered greatly. You know the problem but I’m amazed at the ignorance of people occupying pews in churches. They truly are like the frogs in a pan of warming water. They’re more loyal to a church name or building than the true word of God.


25 posted on 04/16/2008 5:46:35 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; wagglebee

We have our huge, every 4 year gathering (General Conference) next month. I expect more progress to be made this year.

We will continue our refusal to appoint proven homosexuals as ministers. We will, hopefully, strengthen our statement on life.

One big plus this year is the addition of some very conservative delegates from an African region recently allowed full status in the UMC.

How will we do it?

It will be God who will do it. If it will be done, it will be from our Almighty Sovereign Lord.


26 posted on 04/16/2008 6:05:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

I wish you well. I really do. A few years ago, the Methodist Bishop in our state formed a PAC specifically to help fund the Democrat woman running for governor because she was proabortion. I know that because he told me himself.


27 posted on 04/16/2008 6:51:46 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


28 posted on 04/16/2008 6:54:49 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

God has not yet moved me out of the UMC. He might not in my lifetime.

However, if it ever becomes apparent that He has removed their candlestick, then Christians still within should seek to be lights elsewhere.


29 posted on 04/16/2008 6:55:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Inclines to the Right
There's no point in just piling on Methodists. These others are also partners in crime. This is the list of NCC "churches".

• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
• Church of the Brethren
• The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
• The Episcopal Church
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
• Friends United Meeting
• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• Hungarian Reformed Church in America
• International Council of Community Churches
• Korean Presbyterian Church in America
• Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
• Mar Thoma Church
• Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• Orthodox Church in America
• Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
• Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
• Polish National Catholic Church of America
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Church in America
• Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
• The Swedenborgian Church
• Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
• United Church of Christ
• The United Methodist Church •

30 posted on 04/16/2008 6:57:48 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: xzins
One big plus this year is the addition of some very conservative delegates from an African region recently allowed full status in the UMC.

Many Christians (for certain Catholics, Anglicans and Methodists) have been truly blessed by the leaders that have been coming from Africa over the past few decades. They possess an orthodoxy and moral clarity that often seems missing from American and European bishops and other church leaders.

31 posted on 04/16/2008 7:03:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The Africans are so threatening to the liberals in our church that they have offered legislation to END our position as a world-wide Methodist church and to redesign us as a group of regional churches.

They are desperate to remove conservative elements from United Methodism. They figure if they only had to worry about the USA, then they would not as weak as they are becoming.


32 posted on 04/16/2008 7:09:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

It’s really not that surprising that leadership would start coming out of Africa. They have seen their continent torn apart by various warring factions and Christians there have clung to their faith in the face of persecution that Europeans and Americans have never faced.


33 posted on 04/16/2008 7:30:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Agreed! I do know that these other churches are a part of the NCC as well. The chaplain from Planned Parenthood could just as easily been a minister from the other denominations from the list. Any minister who becomes a “chaplain” for PP needs to be defrocked.


34 posted on 04/16/2008 9:54:46 AM PDT by Inclines to the Right (Free Compean and Ramos!)
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To: Inclines to the Right

IIRC, there was a couple of Reformed “ministers” who blessed a newly opened abortion facility in NY.


35 posted on 04/16/2008 10:15:36 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: wagglebee

A woman bishop.


36 posted on 04/16/2008 10:16:27 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: wagglebee

Their feminist agenda supercedes any concern for the Christian gospel.


37 posted on 04/16/2008 11:07:42 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: xzins

How will we do it?

It will be God who will do it. If it will be done, it will be from our Almighty Sovereign Lord.

AMEN!
RIGHT ON!!!


38 posted on 04/16/2008 11:14:32 AM PDT by Inclines to the Right (Free Compean and Ramos!)
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To: wagglebee
NOBODY can be a true Christian and support infanticide.

It is possible for a brand new Christian, but it shouldn't take long for them to come to understanding that abortion is outright murder.

39 posted on 04/16/2008 2:27:08 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Conan the Librarian
All I can say is that I am one Methodist that does not support Abortion

You are not alone. Sadly, there hasn't been an uprising among Methodists as yet to toss these anti-Christians out on their ears.

40 posted on 04/16/2008 2:28:37 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: MEGoody

Do you know about Lifewatch? http://www.lifewatch.org/
It’s within the Methodist denomination and they need a lot of support! They are getting Carol Everett (a former abortionist) for a speaking engagement (can’t remember where or when).

Get your church to support a crisis pregnancy center (Baby Bottle campaign or Walk for Life)! Or host tables at pro-life banquets if they have them. Encourage your pastor and church to celebrate Sanctity of Life Sunday!
The more churches that do this will crowd out the Castueras and Shamanas!


41 posted on 04/16/2008 6:18:33 PM PDT by Inclines to the Right (Free Compean and Ramos!)
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To: xzins

God bless y’all for fighting the good fight. It’s very sad to see these creatures infiltrating various Christian denominations.

Is there a UMC ping list?

I have a decidedly mundane question to address to my Methodist friends.


42 posted on 04/21/2008 8:04:44 PM PDT by incredulous joe (On the drums; Mr. Bunn E Carlos!)
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To: incredulous joe

There is no Methodist ping list that I know of.


43 posted on 04/22/2008 4:51:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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