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There are all sorts of LDS groups
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 04/18/2008 | Robert Kirby

Posted on 04/19/2008 7:43:29 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Recently, I spoke to a group of non-Utahns. It was clear from the beginning that none of them knew much about Mormons other than we were possibly - how to put this nicely? - nuts.

These were not stupid people. In fact, I admit to being the dumbest person in the room. They were in Salt Lake for a university-level conference. They probably all had doctorates in stuff more or less useful.

After my gab, I took polite questions about Mormonism, namely polygamy, the temple, plural marriage, underwear, extra wives and some more about polygamy.

One lady wanted to know when "regular" Mormons like me stopped practicing polygamy. I said we never did. She said she was pretty sure that we had because she read about it in Newsweek.

I explained that Mormons like me no longer needed to take plural wives to live polygamy, that there were enough disparate personalities in one average woman to satisfy the Lord on the matter.

Judging from the looks, about half the room believed me. The rest understood immediately that not only was I not a fundamentalist Mormon, but not their idea of a "regular" Mormon either. How many kinds were there?

A lot, but you wouldn't know it from the way people talk about us these days. Currently, the LDS Church is working hard to keep the world from confusing the FLDS in Texas with the LDS in Utah.

Truthfully, there are all sorts of LDS groups, or Mormon types. Here are some of the ones I know about:

* LDS: Latter-day Saints, or your "regular" Mormons.

* RLDS: Reorganized Mormons, or Mormons who didn't go to Utah with Brigham Young when the church was run out of Illinois.

* FLDS: Fundamentalist LDS. The cloistered men and oddly coiffed women you're seeing on television down in Texas these days.

* GLDS: Gay Mormons. Not only are some Mormons gay, some gays want to be Mormon. They just don't like the marginalizing that comes with the territory.

* XLDS: Ex-Mormons, many of whom still congregate and talk about church, sometimes way more than they did when they were Mormons.

* BLDS: Black or African-American LDS. Not all Mormons are white. There are also LLDS (Latino Mormons), NALDS (Native American Mormons), OLDS (Oriental Mormons), and, eventually, MLDS (Martian Mormons).

* JLDS: Jack Mormons, or Mormons who don't practice the faith, most noticeably Mormons who smoke and drink.

* NLDS: Nazi Mormons, the overly rigid, lock-step, black-and-white wearers and thinkers who give the rest of the world a Mormon stereotype to work with.

* ALDS: Atheist Mormons, or Mormons who still maintain a social connection with the church but don't believe in God or gold books.

* *LDS: Mormons who figure it's none of your business what kind of Mormon they are.


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One lady wanted to know when "regular" Mormons like me stopped practicing polygamy. I said we never did. She said she was pretty sure that we had because she read about it in Newsweek.

I explained that Mormons like me no longer needed to take plural wives to live polygamy, that there were enough disparate personalities in one average woman to satisfy the Lord on the matter.

1 posted on 04/19/2008 7:43:29 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I was going to quote the same thing. Obviously a bald faced lie.


2 posted on 04/19/2008 9:09:57 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


3 posted on 04/19/2008 9:26:10 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

I’m going to be civil in my reply.

[Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy.” ]

That would all be fine, except Celestial marriage IS part of your church doctrine, and Celestial marriage IS polygamous (else how do you populate all those worlds with one god?

[They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members …]

So, you are saying that Mormons are Christians because they believe in Christ but FLDS are not Mormon even though they believe in Joseph Smith and follow more Mormon doctrine than Mormons follow Christian doctrine? My head hurts.

[If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”]

And we aplaud your church for it. But that isn’t the only problem going on, it’s also the heavy handed brainwashing and shunning that are used by the FLDS to control their victims, which also exists in various forms in the LDS and are a vestige of Brigham Young’s polygamy and blood atonement practices. In fact, you yourself are a heavy handed enforcer, using the same tactics a Warren Jeffs uses to deride opponents and call them “evil”.

[• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.]

Well, considering you still worship Joseph Smith who started the whole polygamy thingy (”God will strike me dead if you don’t marry me”), I think the confusion is understandable.

[• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.]

Now that is mighty delightsome of you guys. Yet, if any of us question your being a distant sect of Christianity not deserving of the name, the same rules no longer seem to apply and the Bigot word is used. My how convenient Quemosabe.

[• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.]

Christians are offended when you fail to make distinctions between your plural gods and Christianity. I think you will survive.

[• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”]

Like I believe anything from a self-proclaimed Apostle.

[• There could not be two groups of people more different. ]

Oh yeah? How about the difference between Mormons and Satanists, could that be more different? I think so. Consequently that is a deceptive premise.

[Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.]

Oh come now, they are conguent is soooo many ways.


4 posted on 04/19/2008 10:13:50 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote

Awww! Come on, man. This is the 21st century. We can have it as many different ways as we want it.

Yeah, My head hurts too when ever I try to figure out all the worldliness we are exposed to.


5 posted on 04/19/2008 11:18:31 AM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: FastCoyote

Some Mormons never practiced polygamy. She might be quite right that her branch didn’t. Polygamy was an issue that split the LDS early on. Many that went by wagon train to Utah split away and went on to Oregon and other places because they did not believe in polygamy. It is interesting- because at that time the non-polygamists were the smaller splinter group.


6 posted on 04/19/2008 12:31:56 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Actually , one of the reasons for so many “regular” LDS “looking the other way” or quieting incidents like the man that talked the little Smart girl to become one of his wives (http://www.rickross.com/reference/smart/smart8.html) is because they still believe in polygamy.

Remember there was never a trial of that man, because the “principle” and Joseph Smith would have been a part of the defense. Mormons did not want to air that particular deviance.So, like in the Soviet, he was quietly led to a mental institution.. end of story.

My money is on that little miss Smart was granted a LDS “spiritual divorce” from the man..so she would not be one of his “eternal” wives.

The LDS never repudiated or ended “the principle” (polygamy ) they have simply “SUSPENDED” it.

They believe that as ‘gods” the men will all have many wives, so how can they prosecute someone from doing what their god does??


7 posted on 04/19/2008 1:14:16 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: FastCoyote

In response to your typically deceptive posting:

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


8 posted on 04/19/2008 1:20:21 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Tammy8

[Some Mormons never practiced polygamy. She might be quite right that her branch didn’t. Polygamy was an issue that split the LDS early on. Many that went by wagon train to Utah split away and went on to Oregon and other places because they did not believe in polygamy. It is interesting- because at that time the non-polygamists were the smaller splinter group.]

Which doesn’t change the fact that Brigham Young led the “smaller splinter group”, one of the infallible founding church fathers. Please read Ann Young’s book, “Wife No. 19”, it is Warren Jeffs all over. Much less Joseph Smith himself is the crackpot who started it all in the first place. Apologists never quit.

On such a foundation of sand is based the entire Mormon Church.


9 posted on 04/19/2008 1:51:31 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...

Ping


10 posted on 04/19/2008 1:56:16 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?)
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To: Old Mountain man

So, your reply is to repeat the same baloney? Weak.

Are you going to deny Celestial marriage is polygamous? Are you going to deny that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young started it? Are you going to deny that Mormonism (no matter what sect), is based on what must be the infallibility of Joseph Smith (else he is just a charlatan)?

Go ahead, pretend there is no link whatsoever between the FLDS and LDS, hide your head in the sand like usual. You aren’t even man enough to admit that Joseph Smith’s teachings led directly to child molestation and the pimping of daughters. Heber Kimbal anyone?


11 posted on 04/19/2008 1:56:58 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote; Old Mountain man

I make a motion that calls OMM to answer FC’s questions.

Do I have a second to that motion?


12 posted on 04/19/2008 2:09:32 PM PDT by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
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To: Old Mountain man
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The LDS suspended polygamy in order to have statehood, it did not repudiate it. There are people living the "principle" amidst the Utah LDS. No one turns them in, because they still believe it is a spiritual law

• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them,

You wear the same magic underwear..

worship like them,

You, like them have a temple closed to non Mormons, you have basically the same "spiritual ordinances" and practice the same dietary principles.

or believe the same things.

You both believe that god was once a man and that an observant mormon can also achieve godhood.

The difference is they do not think YOU can achieve godhood because you do not practice polygamy ( both Smith and Young believed and taught that polygamy was necessary for exaltation ). To them it seems you guys are the ones that sold your birthright for as bowl of porridge (citizenship)

13 posted on 04/19/2008 2:11:23 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: Alex Murphy; Old Mountain man; ears_to_hear; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; ...
One point that seems lost in this and related posts:

At one time the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints argued polygamy as practiced by the FLDS cult was essential to salvation.

For example, citing the opinion of the United States Supreme Court in the case of Reynolds v. United States case (98 U.S. 145), George Reynolds, Brigham Young's personal secretary, plead as follows:

On the trial, the plaintiff in error, the accused, proved that at the time of his alleged second marriage he was, and for many years before had been, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly called the Mormon Church, and a believer in its doctrines; that it was an accepted doctrine of that church "that it was the duty of male members of said church, circumstances permitting, to practise polygamy; . . . that this duty was enjoined by different books which the members of said church believed to be to divine origin, and among others the Holy Bible, and also that the members of the church believed that the practice of polygamy was directly enjoined upon the male members thereof by the Almighty God, in a revelation to Joseph Smith, the founder and prophet of said church; that the failing or refusing to practise polygamy by such male members of said church, when circumstances would admit, would be punished, and that the penalty for such failure and refusal would be damnation in the life to come." He also proved "that he had received permission from the recognized authorities in said church to enter into polygamous marriage; . . . that Daniel H. Wells, one having authority in said church to perform the marriage ceremony, married the said defendant on or about the time the crime is alleged to have been committed, to some woman by the name of Schofield, and that such marriage ceremony was performed under and pursuant to the doctrines of said church."

It should also be noted the LDS Church steadfastly resisted all attempts to abandon the Principal (of polygamy) until the church was disbanded as a criminal organization under the Edmunds-Tucker Act of 1887 and their property ordered seized.

Furthermore, many in the LDS Church ignored President Woodruff's instructions to abandon polygamy until the Church was embarrassed in the Smoot Hearings (1904-07), at which time two members of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles (among others) were expelled from the brotherhood by a Second Manifesto for increasing their number of polygamous wives.

Finally, it should be noted every LDS Church President openly practiced polygamy for over 120 years beginning with Joseph Smith in 1833 [when he "married" Fannie Alger after impregnating the 16-year old] and continuing through 1945 and Heber Grant (above).

In light of the above, I find attempts by current LDS members to distance themselves from their FLDS cousins on the grounds polygamy is morally and/or spiritually and/or doctrinally wrong both amusing and disingenuous.

14 posted on 04/19/2008 2:49:52 PM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: FastCoyote; Alex Murphy; Zakeet; greyfoxx39; colorcountry
I said we never did

I saw that in the paper this morning. My first thought was, come on Kirby, try to be a bit more honest. Then again, we can be certain to hear the same BS from Lonsberry and Beck.

15 posted on 04/19/2008 3:26:56 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America!)
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To: fishtank; Old Mountain man; FastCoyote
I make a motion that calls OMM to answer FC’s questions. Do I have a second to that motion?

I second it! (Remember, OMM, Lds have taught that Joseph Smith needs to give his consent for you to enter into the celestial kingdom. How's he going to take this moment in time if you denied the reality of all his wives in celestialdom?)

16 posted on 04/19/2008 3:28:18 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Alex Murphy; FastCoyote; Utah Binger; greyfoxx39; fishtank; ears_to_hear; Zakeet; Colofornian
NALDS (Native American Mormons

Back a couple of years ago, that would have been LLDS (Lamanite Mormons)

Oopsie!

17 posted on 04/19/2008 3:32:07 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: FastCoyote; Old Mountain man
Christians are offended when you fail to make distinctions between your plural gods and Christianity. I think you will survive.

(LOL)

That would all be fine, except Celestial marriage IS part of your church doctrine, and Celestial marriage IS polygamous (else how do you populate all those worlds with one god?

I think, FC, you've hit on one of the most least discussed aspects of 19th century Mormonism that people least understand.

It's the fact that a key reason LDS were told to practice polygamy--that it was after the order (as in pattern) of how marriage was practiced in the Celestial Kingdom. Now that just doesn't mean how folks who died practiced it, but rather that the Mormon god himself was an alleged polygamist.

Therefore, how could mormon folk expect to...

(a)...be created exactly in the mormon god's image???

(b)...become a god associate in the council of gods???
(c)...& live in the celestial kingdom???
...if they didn't have wives like the Mormon god did???

So, you are saying that Mormons are Christians because they believe in Christ but FLDS are not Mormon even though they believe in Joseph Smith and follow more Mormon doctrine than Mormons follow Christian doctrine? My head hurts.

Now do you see, FC, why despite the fact that lds tend to be highly educated folks, head knowledge is always greatly subverted to feelings & burning bosoms? (Too many headaches & headspinnings over their pretzellogic).

18 posted on 04/19/2008 3:41:39 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: FastCoyote

Deceit seems to be ingrain in Mormons at an early age ...


19 posted on 04/19/2008 3:45:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: FastCoyote

Thanks for the book recommend.

I assume is is a biography?


20 posted on 04/19/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: colorcountry
This flailing and hand wringing that the LDS church is doing about not using the word Mormon when polygamy is mentioned is to no avail.

I live in middle America.

You say the word Mormon the first word association most people have is polygamy. That is just a fact, there is nothing they can do to change it.

21 posted on 04/19/2008 3:48:34 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle

First is should be it!


22 posted on 04/19/2008 3:49:13 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: colorcountry

There must be one called Angry Old Mormon Men or Mad Old Mormon Men. I believe there is a chapter called Horny Old Mormon Men in Colorado City....HMMMMMM. Seems Jeffs liked the little boys too.


23 posted on 04/19/2008 3:52:15 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America!)
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To: ears_to_hear

Mitchell .......thought he was “higher than God.”
__________________________________________________

Mitchell was a good disciple of the false prophet joseph Smith...

The false prophet Joseph Smith thought he was higher than Jesus...


24 posted on 04/19/2008 4:02:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I agree


25 posted on 04/19/2008 4:04:14 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: Old Mountain man; FastCoyote
There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.

(Give me a break, OMM...Here later in your post you boast about LDS being in every country...and then you have the gall to claim that every Mormon worldwide has a certain "look"...)

Mormons do not...believe the same things...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.

I would say that four of the key distinctives of the fLDS in comparison to the "Mother Ship" is...
(a) polygamy for "time" (otherwise both groups agree on polygamy for "eternity"):
(b) blacks as eligible members of the priesthood (fLDS is still pre-1978 mainstream Mormonism on that tenet);
(c) they follow distinct leaders;
and (d) the fLDS is isolationist whereas the "Mother Ship" openly proselytizes. (Most of the rest of the distinctions are minor)

Bottom-line? The fLDS are simply a time-machine reminder of what generations-ago-Mormonism was. And that's why I've said on other posts that LDS have a "love-hate" relationship with fLDS polygamy & its own polygamous past AND alleged future.

Of course LDS want to distance themselves from the children, grandchildren, & greatgrandchildren of LDS (now called fLDS)...After all, who wants to look in the mirror of what their grandparents, great grandparents, & great-great grandparents were like? Who wants to open the time machine door & see your own heritage, something you thought was carefully tucked away, displayed in color for all the world to see?

26 posted on 04/19/2008 4:05:24 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Utah Binger
I saw that in the paper this morning. My first thought was, come on Kirby, try to be a bit more honest. Then again, we can be certain to hear the same BS from Lonsberry and Beck.

LOL and Amen! I have to say Utah - you cut through the BS like a buzz saw. I would love to meet you someday.

27 posted on 04/19/2008 4:14:07 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Utah Binger; colorcountry; Old Mountain man
There must be one called Angry Old Mormon Men or Mad Old Mormon Men. I believe there is a chapter called Horny Old Mormon Men in Colorado City....HMMMMMM. Seems Jeffs liked the little boys too.

Old Mountain Man - this might be time for one of your deep, introspective, sensitive, patented Freep Mail "conversations."

28 posted on 04/19/2008 4:16:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Colofornian
I second it! (Remember, OMM, Lds have taught that Joseph Smith needs to give his consent for you to enter into the celestial kingdom. How's he going to take this moment in time if you denied the reality of all his wives in celestialdom?)

"I won't call you from Behind the Veil."

29 posted on 04/19/2008 4:20:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: FastCoyote

I am not an apologist for the LDS church- any branch of it. I know quite a lot about their history because I am very interested in history and my husband was raised LDS (and has had no part of it since he bacame an adult) His ancestors went to Utah and some stayed and practiced polygamy but his line went on to Oregon because his g-g-g-grandmother would have no part of polygamy and she convinced her husband to continue to Oregon. My sister was LDS, converted as an adult with her husband. I have known many LDS members- there is an LDS community near me. I think their beliefs are quite odd to say the least. I will also say they are as a rule very hard working, and would give you the shirt of their back if they thought you needed it. Most are good upstanding people who live quietly and harm no one. That of course is not true of all the branches. I have never been able to understand how they could believe some of the outlandish things they believe. Warren Jeffs and his inner circle are nutcases and would be nutcases in any religion- but I do agree that they are following many of the teachings of the early LDS church- in spite of what some would like everyone to think.

I have read Ann Young’s book- I read the book in the 1970’s and LDS claimed she was really his 17th wife, but I can understand the confusion- hard to keep track when you take marriage so casually. The book is now out of print and can be found used but maybe not now with all the interest.


30 posted on 04/19/2008 4:20:58 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Zakeet

Great post (#14) Zakeet.


31 posted on 04/19/2008 4:23:37 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Colofornian; Elsie
pretzellogic...I like it!
32 posted on 04/19/2008 5:02:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?)
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To: SkyPilot

Our son was on a Spanish speaking mission in New Jersey. We went to pick him up; stayed at the Holiday Inn in Edison and went over to his apartment in Perth Amboy. (Wow) After his release, he said, “Mom and Dad, I hope you will not be offended but I am now leaving the church”. We had already left by then but as a BYU’er he decided to go on a mission. What a beautiful place NJ is.

Our daughter is a Jazz singer in New York.
You can see her at the Total Wine Bar in Brooklyn on Thursday nights and sometimes at Birdland in NYC on Monday nights. http://www.angelabingham.com/

Next time you are in Southern Utah, please come to see us. Check out the home page.

We try very hard to be direct and honest about our point of view. I notice you do too.

Thanks,

UB


33 posted on 04/19/2008 6:22:46 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America!)
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To: JRochelle

Yes, Wife #19 is biography. The other book to be read that covers the polygamous roots is Tell It All by Stenthouse (intro by Harriet Beecher Stowe). The second link is probably easier. A mirror image of current FLDS events.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=moa;cc=moa;rgn=full%20text;idno=ant6396.0001.001;didno=ANT6396.0001.001;view=image;seq=3;page=root;size=s;frm=frameset;

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/6373/fstenhouseindex.html


34 posted on 04/19/2008 6:33:16 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Utah Binger
I just clicked that link. My goodness - Angela is so beautiful.

You must be so proud.

35 posted on 04/19/2008 6:42:17 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: SkyPilot

Thanks


36 posted on 04/19/2008 6:59:18 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America!)
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To: Zakeet

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 04/19/2008 9:21:34 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Utah Binger

Your home is beautiful.

Are you attending a different church now? Is your son happy? Is your daughter still LDS?

Feel free to tell me to mind my own business. :)


38 posted on 04/19/2008 10:56:11 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: Politicalmom

The building is now a Living History Museum and former home of the American painter, Maynard Dixon. We don't live there but are in the process of building a home on the adjacent property. If you come here as a painter, photographer or writer, you might qualify for an internship to stay in that building.

Our son is a marketing director for a large computer firm in California. He married a into a Lutheran family and is very passive about any religion. He is fluent in Spanish so that was one benefit of going on a Spanish speaking mission. You might describe our family as Deists. We do not follow any religious organization seeking money but we have firm belief in the larger power in the scheme of things.

The view of the mountain at sunset is proof of that power. Can you believe we have to look at that every day? We also believe in doing good things in our own way. That is why we do art workshops for people with special needs and provide artist retreats and internships free of charge. http://thunderbirdfoundation.com/special-needs-program.cfm

Our daughter is bringing a jazz group of four this year to our annual fundraiser called Maynard Dixon Country. Come and see us sometime!

Sign up here to be included in our news release programs: http://thunderbirdfoundation.com/mailing-list.cfm

39 posted on 04/20/2008 5:21:25 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America!)
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To: FastCoyote

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


40 posted on 04/20/2008 5:58:16 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: SkyPilot

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


41 posted on 04/20/2008 5:58:44 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Colofornian

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.

Colofornian is posting lies as usual.


42 posted on 04/20/2008 5:59:32 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Colofornian

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


43 posted on 04/20/2008 6:00:10 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: FastCoyote

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


44 posted on 04/20/2008 6:00:40 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Colofornian; fishtank; Old Mountain man; FastCoyote
I second it! (Remember, OMM, Lds have taught that Joseph Smith needs to give his consent for you to enter into the celestial kingdom. How's he going to take this moment in time if you denied the reality of all his wives in celestialdom?)

It would be refreshing for him to answer in a manner other than a personal attack, but I am not holding my breath.

45 posted on 04/20/2008 6:11:45 AM PDT by Godzilla (We are the land of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Godzilla

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.

This is not a personal attack.


46 posted on 04/20/2008 6:14:55 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Well that is brilliant, Old Mountain Man. You cut and paste the same canned reply, what , three times? You never address any of my questions about celestial marriage or the FACT that Joseph Smith himself was the inspiration and moral compass of the child molesters ranging from himself to Warren Jeffs to the Eldorado bunch.

But go ahead and show everyone your true colors, an apologist for the bizarre and unpardonable sins that stem directly from the doctrines of Joseph Smith.


47 posted on 04/20/2008 6:25:10 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote

From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.


48 posted on 04/20/2008 6:26:59 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

Wow, you really have lost your cool, I now see you spammed this thread with the same canned reply eight times.

Must be the propaganda spambot at the mothership is overloaded and can only send out the same disingenuous reply.


49 posted on 04/20/2008 6:37:39 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote

Bingo. Here’s why:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8


50 posted on 04/20/2008 6:39:49 AM PDT by bonfire
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