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To: livius

Thanks. You are correct, some bishops and archbishops are part of the “lavender mafia,” certainly not all, but much more than just a few. These people do all stick together and do promote, hire or cover for one another.

This is true in two areas, each which needs to be addressed a little differently by the Church from the highest levels. One is the topic here, basically diocesan priests and bishops. The other area is certain religious orders, or firmly entrenched groups within those orders, which have become almost like secret homosexual societies.

Given that these orders, the Jesuits for example, are even more “closed societies” than the Church hierarchy, with very little accountability, it will be difficult to reform them without aggressive action.

Interestingly, reform in the Church often comes not from the top, but from the laity. What’s happening is that healthy, normal young men are less and less attracted to the orders that have been perverted, and more men are becoming priests in the newer orders, or more orthodox orders. So the hope is that the aging fags controlling certain orders will gradually (were talking decades here) die, while their orders die along with them.

Another thing happening is there are “undercover” groups in some “bad”orders of faithful, orthodox men who don’t reveal their firm faith (hide those rosary beads) until they are ordained. Their intention is to reform their orders from within, it’s a deliberate and loosely organized plan in some areas, but very difficult to carry out where the insistence on defiance and deviance is pretty heavy-handed.

If this sounds like a weird conspiracy theory, all I can say in this forum is most people have no idea of the corruption, I would not except for family connections. But the sort of priests and people we see on EWTN are countering this evil and we must support them, good priests and bishops, with our prayers and more if we can. And we must refrain from supporting any “Catholic” organization without deeply looking into it to see if it’s still Catholic.


36 posted on 04/25/2008 2:21:01 PM PDT by baa39 ("God bless America" - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: baa39
It's not a weird conspiracy theory at all. I have seen this happen in plain old secular workplaces, when a gay clique installs itself in management or somehow gets control over the hiring.

Years ago, when I first read Malachi Martin's Windswept House, I was was inclined to dismiss it as paranoid fantasy. But the more I observed over subsequent decades, the less inclined I was to dismiss it.

I think we'll be many more decades in cleaning up this mess, and yes, it will be the laypeople who take the lead or who give support to the good priests and bishops in driving this evil out of the Church.

39 posted on 04/25/2008 5:48:39 PM PDT by livius
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