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EGAN BLASTS RUDY FOR RECEIVING COMMUNION
NY Post ^ | April 28, 2008

Posted on 04/28/2008 11:41:35 AM PDT by NYer

April 28, 2008 --

NEW YORK - New York Cardinal Edward Egan says Rudy Giuliani should not have received Holy Communion during the pope's visit because he supports abortion rights.

Egan says he had "an understanding" with the former presidential candidate and New York mayor that he is not to receive the Eucharist. The Catholic Church teaches "that abortion is a grave offense against the will of God."

The cardinal says Giuliani broke that understanding when he received the Eucharist during Pope Benedict XVI's visit.

Egan says he will be seeking a meeting with Giuliani "to insist that he abide by our understanding."

Giuliani's spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith "is a deeply personal matter."

Egan's statement does not address the fact that Giuliani is on his third marriage.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholicpoliticians; communion; egan; giuliani; papalvisit; pope
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1 posted on 04/28/2008 11:41:36 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Giuliani waits to receive communion at the Lady Chapel in St. Patrick's Cathedral during the Pope's mass.
2 posted on 04/28/2008 11:43:21 AM PDT by NYer (Jesus whom I know as my Redeemer cannot be less than God. - St. Athanasius)
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To: NYer

Did Egan give instructions not to distribute Communion to Giuliani?


3 posted on 04/28/2008 11:44:48 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: NYer
Giuliani's spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith "is a deeply personal matter."

You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.
You can have a personal faith, but you can't have your own sacraments.

4 posted on 04/28/2008 11:47:19 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: NYer

Well - pehaps this pope has “inspired” cardinals to find their backbones.

We need the “Crozier of St. Lumbar” graphic.


5 posted on 04/28/2008 11:52:37 AM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Notwithstanding

6 posted on 04/28/2008 11:54:31 AM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: NYer

How about the fact that he shouldn’t be taking Holy Communion because he is remarried. (and outside the Church) This is for his own protection. He is harming himself greatly by taking Communion unworthily.


7 posted on 04/28/2008 11:58:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NYer
but added that his faith "is a deeply personal matter."

In other words, Giuliani's Catholic faith is none of the Catholic Church's business.

8 posted on 04/28/2008 11:59:44 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NYer

why is Egan picking on Rudy only? What about Kerry, Kennedy and pelosi???????????????????????? What’s the deal with just Rudy.


9 posted on 04/28/2008 12:00:07 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: cubreporter

“New York Cardinal Edward Egan”

That’s why. It is up to the bishops of the other diocese to pastor their flock, not to Egan. The best he can do here is to lead.


10 posted on 04/28/2008 12:07:03 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: NYer

‘Giuliani’s spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith “is a deeply personal matter.” ‘

Giuliani’s faith is so personal, he won’t even enforce it on himself.


11 posted on 04/28/2008 12:09:55 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: cubreporter

Giuliani’s shepherd is Archbishop Egan.

Egan is not the shepherd of any those you mention.


12 posted on 04/28/2008 12:10:52 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: nickcarraway

Dammit - when Rudy feels like taking communion, he will take it!

Pope be damned.


13 posted on 04/28/2008 12:12:11 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Notwithstanding

I think that Egan has been pretty straightforward in the past, and that Rudy has been well warned by him. I suspect this is the final chapter of Rudy’s association with The Church. He’s going to have a chance for real soul searching and confession, though, I would guess.


14 posted on 04/28/2008 12:12:32 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Notwithstanding; NYer; Salvation

Crozier of St. Lumbar ping


15 posted on 04/28/2008 12:13:07 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Miles the Slasher

IOW: Rudy is the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Giuliani.


16 posted on 04/28/2008 12:15:33 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Notwithstanding
Archbishop?????

Hardly.

You reach too low ...

He's Pope Rudy the Great.

17 posted on 04/28/2008 12:17:12 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Notwithstanding; ArrogantBustard
You beat me to it.

The Pope of the Church of Saint Rudy.

He's not the first to declare himself head of his own church on account of wanting a divorce and remarriage.

But King Henry is still ahead of him in the matter of wives, and Saint Rudy hasn't offed any of his yet . . . .

18 posted on 04/28/2008 12:26:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: cubreporter
New York is his Archdiocese. Archbishop Wuerl needs to clean up D.C.'s act.

i for one hope he never gets the red hat.

19 posted on 04/28/2008 12:32:47 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Notwithstanding

I know where you are coming from, but there has to be some sort of limit, right? I mean, if a bishop observes a national public figure who condones and facilitates Satanism at every opportunity (and publicly proclaims Satanism is perfectly compatible with Church teaching) in the Communion line but whose base of operations isn’t in his diocese, what should he do?

Freegards


20 posted on 04/28/2008 12:34:20 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Notwithstanding

Why should a sinner care about committing another sin? It is a serious sin to take Holy Communion knowingly in the state of mortal sin. We are not talking about one sin committed a long time ago. We are talking about a continuation of sins, such as his continued support of abortion, and living in sin with a 3rd woman you call your wife. His soul and where he spends eternity is of little concern to him.


21 posted on 04/28/2008 12:42:01 PM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: NYer
What I really don't understand here is WHY Giuliani puts himself through all this.

He cannot possibly believe that he can support abortion and be on his third marriage and still go up to receive the Body and Blood of our Lord in such a state of public and unrepentant mortal sin and scandal.

So, if he doesn't believe, why does he bother to go to church in the first place?

If he does it for political advantage, he's heaping sin on sin, not as a Catholic but as a Christian or even as a believer in God at all. "God is not mocked."

I guess this is what they mean in the old criminal indictments by saying, "Having not the fear of God before his eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigations of the devil . . . . "

22 posted on 04/28/2008 12:49:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: cubreporter

I don’t think that Kerry, Kennedy and Pelosi were at St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

or were they???


23 posted on 04/28/2008 12:52:50 PM PDT by It's me
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To: NYer
Thank You Sacred Heart of Jesus for touching the heart of Cardinal Egan. Thank you, Immaculate Heart of Mary, for praying for Cardinal Egan. All of those Masses where I told the Lord I was praying for my Archbishop only in obedience to Him paid off. Thank You, Lord! Please continue to move in his heart, make him the priest, bishop and cardinal You wish him to be.
24 posted on 04/28/2008 12:58:40 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (O Lord, destroy Islam by converting the Muslims to Christianity.)
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To: It's me

Actually, as I recall....Kennedy stayed behind in his pew. But...it showed kerry and teresa in line. I didn’t see Pelosi but the reports were that she received.


25 posted on 04/28/2008 1:16:59 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: pgkdan

I don’t think the diocese makes a difference. To me it would be up to ANY of them to chide ANY Catholic over that.


26 posted on 04/28/2008 1:17:50 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Notwithstanding

They should ALL be shepherds. That’s the problem. MY parish, MY diocese. It’s supposed to be one holy Catholic and Apostolic church. Why should one person be chided by HIS Shepherd while others are not. Same old thing.


27 posted on 04/28/2008 1:18:49 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: AFPhys

It’s amazing...simply amazing. And...I am a cradle Catholie born, bred and will die a Catholic. However, the church leaves a lot to be desired. One parish says this and another parish says that. We’re supposed to be ONE.


28 posted on 04/28/2008 1:20:01 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: NYer

Well if the RC Church doesn’t have the back bone to excommunicate him/them then they might as well receive communion


29 posted on 04/28/2008 1:20:34 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: NYer

He’s Divorced and RE-MARRIED!


30 posted on 04/28/2008 1:25:25 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cubreporter

No arguement from me...I’m just happy to see any bishop or Cardinal stand up for the teaching of the Church.


31 posted on 04/28/2008 1:27:24 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pgkdan

Exactly. I agree. They should all be together. Makes ya wonder when only one calls someone out like Egan did Rudy.


32 posted on 04/28/2008 1:37:48 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: AnAmericanMother
So, if he doesn't believe, why does he bother to go to church in the first place?

That puzzled me, too. Maybe he was really touched by the Pope and had a mad urge to get his life together. Egan did say he wants to meet with him, so maybe Rudy will get some counseling to straighten up his act. That, after all, is what we want; not the death of the sinner, but that he repent. This could be Rudy's big chance!

33 posted on 04/28/2008 1:44:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: Ann Archy

The significant thing is that Egan called him out on the public sin, that is, his political support for abortion. The marriage situation is obviously a problem, but that’s certainly not the greatest scandal or harm that Giuliani is causing. It actually surprised me, because Egan has not been very outspoken on abortion until fairly recently.


34 posted on 04/28/2008 1:47:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

This really frosts me. What about the priest that gave communion to Giuliani, the public adulterer???

How in the world would any priest in NY not KNOW that this man is living in mortal sin by divorcing and remarrying, and is therefore unqualified to receive Communion!???


35 posted on 04/28/2008 1:59:46 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: cubreporter

The problem has not been with the Church. The problem I’m familiar with has been with America and our priests and bishops and our “sense of compassion” and “tolerance” toward all. Some, not all, priests have been influenced unduly by this problem. “Tough Love” is difficult, and priests (bishops,pastors,etc) are human, also, and have a desire to be liked. At times, that desire leads to a failure to condemn the sin in a sinner, and to demand proper actions thereafter. I believe Egan is one of the best now. I hope this public statement does not get “swept under the rug”.

The Church is one, but really, you should know that those who are not of the Diocese of New York must properly be prevailed upon by their bishops, not by Cardinal Egan. Speak of them, and pressure them instead. Perhaps the Vatican is in the process of calling the bishops on the carpet, too, with regard to this. However, if they have not been warned by their bishops in the past, we may not hear anything specific and public about other politicians from those bishops.


36 posted on 04/28/2008 2:22:48 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: NYer

Sounds like Egan has grounds to commence a ferendae sententiae excommunication of Giuliani.


37 posted on 04/28/2008 2:36:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: livius

....It actually surprised me, because Egan has not been very outspoken on abortion until fairly recently.

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Hmmm....Power of prayer? Look at post #24.


38 posted on 04/28/2008 2:48:12 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Tagline is in the shop -- being retooled as a hybrid.)
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To: NYer
Guiliani's actions as a public person were a slap in the face of any person with conscience---not just Catholics.

Egan musta got major lip from Catholic New Yorkers disgusted at Rudy's audacity and arrogance. Fact is, Egan's been forced into lashing out at Rudy.

He dumped his wife at a presser without telling her, tried to dump his kids out in the streets and move his mistress is----forced taxpayers to pay for the whore's upkeep (government fraud).......it goes on and on.

The abortion worshipper contributed to Planned Parenthood and was honored by NARAL-----he can't act like he's a Catholic in good standing whenever he feels like it.

Giuliani should go back to his preferred house of worship-----"The Church of Whatever Works For Me. "

39 posted on 04/28/2008 2:48:34 PM PDT by Liz (Without the brave, there'd be no land of the free. Senator Fred Thompson)
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To: NYer
I mentioned on the thread about the Mass at Yankee Stadium, that if John Cardinal O'Connor was still alive he would be having a chat with Rudy before the end of the day.

This really is interesting.

It has been over a week since that Mass, what prompted Cardinal Egan to speak now??

Perhaps B16 had a chat with the Cardinal.

40 posted on 04/28/2008 2:52:28 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: Rutles4Ever
What about the priest that gave communion to Giuliani, the public adulterer???

During scripture study last week I asked my priest about this. He said it would be difficult for the priest to determine if the person in question had already spoken with a priest and had received absolution, prior to attending the mass.

It falls on the individual to determine if they are in a state of grace to receive communion.

They excommunicate themselves by their action.

41 posted on 04/28/2008 3:01:23 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: Miles the Slasher
Giuliani’s faith is so personal, he won’t even enforce it on himself.

It's funny because it is true.

42 posted on 04/28/2008 3:12:09 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribe, tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park" Watching the Rat Fight. typical white person)
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To: AFPhys

“Tough Love” is difficult, and priests (bishops,pastors,etc) are human, also, and have a desire to be liked. At times, that desire leads to a failure to condemn the sin in a sinner, and to demand proper actions thereafter.

???????????????????????????????????????? fAILURE TO CONDEMN THE SIN IN A SINNER and TO DEMAND PROPER ACTIONS THEREAFTER. Good Lord help us all.


43 posted on 04/28/2008 3:20:42 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Bigg Red

It certainly could be. That and the influence of BXVI, who I think is getting tired of being ignored by the bishops.


44 posted on 04/28/2008 3:22:47 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer; Condor51

My problem with this——Egan’s lashing out could cause Giuliani to become a “victim of a judgemental church.”

Rooty sorely needs something like this to get back into campaign mode.....the PP, NARAL types, and virulent Catholic haters will be pouring money into his campaign warchest.


45 posted on 04/28/2008 3:31:11 PM PDT by Liz (Without the brave, there'd be no land of the free. Senator Fred Thompson)
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Actually, as I recall....Kennedy stayed behind in his pew. But...it showed kerry and teresa in line. I didn’t see Pelosi but the reports were that she received.

That was the Papal Mass at Nationals Stadium in DC. Giuliani took communion at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NY.

46 posted on 04/28/2008 3:58:54 PM PDT by NYer (Jesus whom I know as my Redeemer cannot be less than God. - St. Athanasius)
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To: cubreporter
It’s amazing...simply amazing. And...I am a cradle Catholie born, bred and will die a Catholic. However, the church leaves a lot to be desired. One parish says this and another parish says that. We’re supposed to be ONE.

It is one Church ... in fact, there are 22 Churches that make up the one Church.

And you, as a Roman Catholic may attend Mass at any one of those 22 Churches.

Sadly, there has been quite a bit of liturgical abuse in the Latin Church since VCII, much of which is attributable to the more 'progressive' bishops (like mine). Each bishop, however, is responsible for his own diocese and, short of committing a heretical act, there is little the pope can do to stop them.

Why Doesn't the Pope Do Something about "Bad" Bishops?

In the meantime, why not discover the beauty and rich liturgies offered up in the Eastern Catholic Churches.

To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15).

47 posted on 04/28/2008 4:10:24 PM PDT by NYer (Jesus whom I know as my Redeemer cannot be less than God. - St. Athanasius)
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Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy actually did receive Holy Communion at the papal Mass at Nationals Park in Washington, DC.

Apparently, a priest came to him in his seat to administer the Blessed Sacrament while he sat, apparently because he’s so damned fat that he has trouble getting out of his seat.


48 posted on 04/28/2008 4:16:17 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
Giuliani's spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith "is a deeply personal matter."

C'mon Rudy, you know better. It's a personal matter all right. Between you and the Church of God.

49 posted on 04/28/2008 4:55:28 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("resort not to force until every just law be defied")
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To: cubreporter
Read more, speculate less.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2003467/posts?page=60#60

50 posted on 04/28/2008 5:10:45 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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