Skip to comments.EGAN BLASTS RUDY FOR RECEIVING COMMUNION
Posted on 04/28/2008 11:41:35 AM PDT by NYer
April 28, 2008 --
NEW YORK - New York Cardinal Edward Egan says Rudy Giuliani should not have received Holy Communion during the pope's visit because he supports abortion rights.
Egan says he had "an understanding" with the former presidential candidate and New York mayor that he is not to receive the Eucharist. The Catholic Church teaches "that abortion is a grave offense against the will of God."
The cardinal says Giuliani broke that understanding when he received the Eucharist during Pope Benedict XVI's visit.
Egan says he will be seeking a meeting with Giuliani "to insist that he abide by our understanding."
Giuliani's spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith "is a deeply personal matter."
Egan's statement does not address the fact that Giuliani is on his third marriage.
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Did Egan give instructions not to distribute Communion to Giuliani?
You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.
You can have a personal faith, but you can't have your own sacraments.
Well - pehaps this pope has “inspired” cardinals to find their backbones.
We need the “Crozier of St. Lumbar” graphic.
How about the fact that he shouldn’t be taking Holy Communion because he is remarried. (and outside the Church) This is for his own protection. He is harming himself greatly by taking Communion unworthily.
In other words, Giuliani's Catholic faith is none of the Catholic Church's business.
why is Egan picking on Rudy only? What about Kerry, Kennedy and pelosi???????????????????????? What’s the deal with just Rudy.
“New York Cardinal Edward Egan”
That’s why. It is up to the bishops of the other diocese to pastor their flock, not to Egan. The best he can do here is to lead.
‘Giuliani’s spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said Monday that he is willing to meet with the cardinal but added that his faith “is a deeply personal matter.” ‘
Giuliani’s faith is so personal, he won’t even enforce it on himself.
Giuliani’s shepherd is Archbishop Egan.
Egan is not the shepherd of any those you mention.
Dammit - when Rudy feels like taking communion, he will take it!
Pope be damned.
I think that Egan has been pretty straightforward in the past, and that Rudy has been well warned by him. I suspect this is the final chapter of Rudy’s association with The Church. He’s going to have a chance for real soul searching and confession, though, I would guess.
Crozier of St. Lumbar ping
IOW: Rudy is the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Giuliani.
You reach too low ...
He's Pope Rudy the Great.
The Pope of the Church of Saint Rudy.
He's not the first to declare himself head of his own church on account of wanting a divorce and remarriage.
But King Henry is still ahead of him in the matter of wives, and Saint Rudy hasn't offed any of his yet . . . .
i for one hope he never gets the red hat.
I know where you are coming from, but there has to be some sort of limit, right? I mean, if a bishop observes a national public figure who condones and facilitates Satanism at every opportunity (and publicly proclaims Satanism is perfectly compatible with Church teaching) in the Communion line but whose base of operations isn’t in his diocese, what should he do?
Why should a sinner care about committing another sin? It is a serious sin to take Holy Communion knowingly in the state of mortal sin. We are not talking about one sin committed a long time ago. We are talking about a continuation of sins, such as his continued support of abortion, and living in sin with a 3rd woman you call your wife. His soul and where he spends eternity is of little concern to him.
He cannot possibly believe that he can support abortion and be on his third marriage and still go up to receive the Body and Blood of our Lord in such a state of public and unrepentant mortal sin and scandal.
So, if he doesn't believe, why does he bother to go to church in the first place?
If he does it for political advantage, he's heaping sin on sin, not as a Catholic but as a Christian or even as a believer in God at all. "God is not mocked."
I guess this is what they mean in the old criminal indictments by saying, "Having not the fear of God before his eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigations of the devil . . . . "
I don’t think that Kerry, Kennedy and Pelosi were at St. Patrick’s Cathedral.
or were they???
Actually, as I recall....Kennedy stayed behind in his pew. But...it showed kerry and teresa in line. I didn’t see Pelosi but the reports were that she received.
I don’t think the diocese makes a difference. To me it would be up to ANY of them to chide ANY Catholic over that.
They should ALL be shepherds. That’s the problem. MY parish, MY diocese. It’s supposed to be one holy Catholic and Apostolic church. Why should one person be chided by HIS Shepherd while others are not. Same old thing.
It’s amazing...simply amazing. And...I am a cradle Catholie born, bred and will die a Catholic. However, the church leaves a lot to be desired. One parish says this and another parish says that. We’re supposed to be ONE.
Well if the RC Church doesn’t have the back bone to excommunicate him/them then they might as well receive communion
He’s Divorced and RE-MARRIED!
No arguement from me...I’m just happy to see any bishop or Cardinal stand up for the teaching of the Church.
Exactly. I agree. They should all be together. Makes ya wonder when only one calls someone out like Egan did Rudy.
That puzzled me, too. Maybe he was really touched by the Pope and had a mad urge to get his life together. Egan did say he wants to meet with him, so maybe Rudy will get some counseling to straighten up his act. That, after all, is what we want; not the death of the sinner, but that he repent. This could be Rudy's big chance!
The significant thing is that Egan called him out on the public sin, that is, his political support for abortion. The marriage situation is obviously a problem, but that’s certainly not the greatest scandal or harm that Giuliani is causing. It actually surprised me, because Egan has not been very outspoken on abortion until fairly recently.
This really frosts me. What about the priest that gave communion to Giuliani, the public adulterer???
How in the world would any priest in NY not KNOW that this man is living in mortal sin by divorcing and remarrying, and is therefore unqualified to receive Communion!???
The problem has not been with the Church. The problem I’m familiar with has been with America and our priests and bishops and our “sense of compassion” and “tolerance” toward all. Some, not all, priests have been influenced unduly by this problem. “Tough Love” is difficult, and priests (bishops,pastors,etc) are human, also, and have a desire to be liked. At times, that desire leads to a failure to condemn the sin in a sinner, and to demand proper actions thereafter. I believe Egan is one of the best now. I hope this public statement does not get “swept under the rug”.
The Church is one, but really, you should know that those who are not of the Diocese of New York must properly be prevailed upon by their bishops, not by Cardinal Egan. Speak of them, and pressure them instead. Perhaps the Vatican is in the process of calling the bishops on the carpet, too, with regard to this. However, if they have not been warned by their bishops in the past, we may not hear anything specific and public about other politicians from those bishops.
Sounds like Egan has grounds to commence a ferendae sententiae excommunication of Giuliani.
....It actually surprised me, because Egan has not been very outspoken on abortion until fairly recently.
Hmmm....Power of prayer? Look at post #24.
Egan musta got major lip from Catholic New Yorkers disgusted at Rudy's audacity and arrogance. Fact is, Egan's been forced into lashing out at Rudy.
He dumped his wife at a presser without telling her, tried to dump his kids out in the streets and move his mistress is----forced taxpayers to pay for the whore's upkeep (government fraud).......it goes on and on.
The abortion worshipper contributed to Planned Parenthood and was honored by NARAL-----he can't act like he's a Catholic in good standing whenever he feels like it.
Giuliani should go back to his preferred house of worship-----"The Church of Whatever Works For Me. "
This really is interesting.
It has been over a week since that Mass, what prompted Cardinal Egan to speak now??
Perhaps B16 had a chat with the Cardinal.
During scripture study last week I asked my priest about this. He said it would be difficult for the priest to determine if the person in question had already spoken with a priest and had received absolution, prior to attending the mass.
It falls on the individual to determine if they are in a state of grace to receive communion.
They excommunicate themselves by their action.
It's funny because it is true.
Tough Love is difficult, and priests (bishops,pastors,etc) are human, also, and have a desire to be liked. At times, that desire leads to a failure to condemn the sin in a sinner, and to demand proper actions thereafter.
???????????????????????????????????????? fAILURE TO CONDEMN THE SIN IN A SINNER and TO DEMAND PROPER ACTIONS THEREAFTER. Good Lord help us all.
It certainly could be. That and the influence of BXVI, who I think is getting tired of being ignored by the bishops.
My problem with this——Egan’s lashing out could cause Giuliani to become a “victim of a judgemental church.”
Rooty sorely needs something like this to get back into campaign mode.....the PP, NARAL types, and virulent Catholic haters will be pouring money into his campaign warchest.
That was the Papal Mass at Nationals Stadium in DC. Giuliani took communion at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NY.
It is one Church ... in fact, there are 22 Churches that make up the one Church.
And you, as a Roman Catholic may attend Mass at any one of those 22 Churches.
Sadly, there has been quite a bit of liturgical abuse in the Latin Church since VCII, much of which is attributable to the more 'progressive' bishops (like mine). Each bishop, however, is responsible for his own diocese and, short of committing a heretical act, there is little the pope can do to stop them.
In the meantime, why not discover the beauty and rich liturgies offered up in the Eastern Catholic Churches.
To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:
The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15).
Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy actually did receive Holy Communion at the papal Mass at Nationals Park in Washington, DC.
Apparently, a priest came to him in his seat to administer the Blessed Sacrament while he sat, apparently because he’s so damned fat that he has trouble getting out of his seat.
C'mon Rudy, you know better. It's a personal matter all right. Between you and the Church of God.