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An Iranian's vision of Jesus' life stirs debate
LA Times ^ | 4/29/08 | Jeffrey Fleishman

Posted on 04/29/2008 8:59:49 AM PDT by ZGuy

The Iranian director's new film is based on the Islamic version of the life of Jesus, depicting the son of God as a tormented Judean prophet foretelling the coming of Muhammad.

The film, nearly 10 years in the making, draws on the Koran and the Gospel of Barnabas. The premise of "Jesus, the Spirit of God" is that Jesus was compassionate and performed miracles, but was not crucified or resurrected from the dead. The message implies that Christianity is based on a falsehood.

"I pray for Christians. They've been misled. They will realize one day the true story," said Talebzadeh, whose film has been screened at international film festivals and is being marketed for wider release.

Not to mention an Iranian who supports President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and believes 9/11 was partly a U.S. government conspiracy. "Someone masterminded something," he said.

The rough, choppily edited $5-million film, condensed from a 1,000-minute-long series that will soon air on Iranian TV, reveres Jesus as a blessed prophet speaking parables and moving through soft light and angelic chants amid a ruckus of zealots and conspiring Pharisees. The narrative and dialogue are attributed to Islamic teachings and Jesus' disciple Barnabas, whose gospel the director said was hidden by church authorities so as not to undermine the established Christian faith.

Barnabas' tale resonates with Muslims who believe that it supports the Koran's teaching that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was not divine, but one of the last great prophets. Talebzadeh's film shows Jesus ascending to heaven before Roman soldiers come for him; Judas, the disciple who betrays him, is transformed into the likeness of Jesus and crucified. According to Islamic traditions, Jesus is alive and will return to defeat evil.

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1 posted on 04/29/2008 8:59:50 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

“Jesus’ life stirs debate”

What debate? Not worth debating.


2 posted on 04/29/2008 9:03:40 AM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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To: ZGuy

Will it be shown in Denmark?


3 posted on 04/29/2008 9:04:08 AM PDT by JPJones (Cry havoc and let loose the Freepers!)
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To: ZGuy

So when will the riots begin?


4 posted on 04/29/2008 9:08:24 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ZGuy
....and THEY (the Islamists); pray to a Moon God / Meteorite.....old men (sexual) preying on little girls/boys


5 posted on 04/29/2008 9:09:50 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: ZGuy
amid a ruckus of zealots and conspiring Pharisees

They mean the Joooooooooooos!

So, when will the Pope declare a crusade against this movie and start having his Swiss guards halberding people in the streets? < /sarc>

6 posted on 04/29/2008 9:14:21 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: ZGuy
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"BLASPHEMY!!!!"

Shall the Christians of the world unite and start rioting now? Burning down Iranian embassies? Threatening theatres that show this movie? Killing the director and actors?!?

[crickets chirping]

/sarc
7 posted on 04/29/2008 9:16:14 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: ZGuy

The following are some quotations from the Gospel of Barnabas:

In reply to a question by Philip, Prophet Jesus said: “God alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have a end, ... He hath no sons, nor brethern, nor companions.” (Gospel of Barnabas, Chapter 17 - p17 - p18).

Definity an anti-trinitarian.


8 posted on 04/29/2008 9:17:47 AM PDT by Augustinian monk (You going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?- Jose Wales)
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To: 353FMG

Sounds like the Iranian version of Michael Moore


9 posted on 04/29/2008 9:22:23 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you, Jimmy Carter for all you've done to make the world a safer place.)
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To: ZGuy
I think it is disturbing to compare the Islamic lie about Christ to the Black Liberation Theology lie about Christ. They are way too close for comfort.

Black Liberation Theology theology teaches that Christ was an oppressed black man living under whitey rule (the Romans) who was as much or more of a social revolutionary against white oppression as he was about spiritual salvation. In this sense, the theology is much closer to what the Islamics teach about Christ than what true Christians teach about Him.

It is a hate-filled, bigoted, anti-American, race bating, marxist construct. Here is what it's creator, James Hal Cone, says about it, the same James Hal Cone who Wright constantly refers to and holds up as an icon:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."
This then is the trough from which Barack Hussein Obama has fed and the well from which he has drunk deeply for the past 20+ years.

IMHO, it is, and should, be very concerning that those two stories about Jesus from ISlam and Black Liberation Theology, seem to have more in common with one another than they do with what the Holy Bible and Christ Himself taught about the Savior.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY AND OBAMA'S CHURCH

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - OBAMA'S CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND SUPPORT

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

10 posted on 04/29/2008 9:24:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: ZGuy
For those who are not aware of the Barnabas angle, in the late 1500s and early 1600s a Spanish text and an Italian text - both purporting to be a translation from an Arabic "Gospel Of Barnabas" - became known in Europe as a theological curiosity.

The text itself is a lengthy refutation of Paul and the Trinity that puts various words in the mouth of Jesus - including the Muslim shahada from the Koran.

If there was an Arabic original it no longer exists - but it seems as if it were a text written in Muslim Spain to press the claims of Islam among the Spanish Christians who refused to renounce their religion.

I would also point out that it may be related to the short-lived Spanish Reformation - an early Protestant movement in Spain that was aggressively Unitarian and which denied Christ's divinity, suggesting that it was a resurgence of Islam in a nation which had only thrown off the Muslim yoke 25 years before Luther.

11 posted on 04/29/2008 9:24:24 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: ZGuy

MoHamHead used Jesus to give his startup religion some credibility.


12 posted on 04/29/2008 9:24:29 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Augustinian monk
Which is why the Gospel of Barnabas never made it into the canon. Same with the Gospel of Thomas, which had the young Jesus making clay birds, bringing them to life, and flying.

The council at Nice, from which we get the Nicean Creed, hammered all this out after the last of the persecutions. These people knew who Jesus was, and the Creed reflects this.

This putz director, assorted Imams, and others can blow it out their ears.

Mohammed is deader than parachute pants piano ties. What a smeghead!

13 posted on 04/29/2008 9:28:16 AM PDT by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: ZGuy

Haven't seen that film, yet. However, when the time comes, I want Will Smith to portray me.

14 posted on 04/29/2008 9:30:31 AM PDT by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: pillut48
Shall the Christians of the world unite and start rioting now?

No, Christians are not emotionally programed morons, like Muslims and Black Liberation Theology ninkumpoops.
15 posted on 04/29/2008 9:31:24 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Augustinian monk
Which is why the Gospel of Barnabas never made it into the canon. Same with the Gospel of Thomas, which had the young Jesus making clay birds, bringing them to life, and flying.

The council at Nice, from which we get the Nicean Creed, hammered all this out after the last of the persecutions. These people knew who Jesus was, and the Creed reflects this.

This putz director, assorted Imams, and others can blow it out their ears.

As Cat would say:

Mohammed is deader than parachute pants & piano ties. What a smeghead!

16 posted on 04/29/2008 9:31:32 AM PDT by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: Othniel
Sorry for the dupe post, but the photo didn't show.

Oops.

17 posted on 04/29/2008 9:32:46 AM PDT by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: ZGuy
The Iranian director's new film is based on the Islamic version of the life of Jesus, depicting the son of God as a tormented Judean prophet foretelling the coming of Muhammad.

Yeah, right! Jesus is a prophet going around telling everyone about this murderer/rapist who is going to take the world back to the stone age.

18 posted on 04/29/2008 9:57:03 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Othniel
Which is why the Gospel of Barnabas never made it into the canon.

In the case of the "Gospel of Barnabas", it didn't have a chance, since it almost certainly hadn't even been written until the 16th century or later (the earliest mention of it is around 1630 by Ibrahim al-Taybili). Some people believe that it might have been based on an earlier gnostic work, but even that is unlikely (there is an earlier "Epistle of Barnabas", but it is not remotely the same document).

Anyone denying the 16th century origin still couldn't claim that it is legitimate, since it quotes Dante (thus making it absolutely no later than the 13th century). It is a fraud, used only by intellectually dishonest Deists and Muslims.

19 posted on 04/29/2008 10:06:02 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Othniel

Shouldn’t you have A.J. (Arnold Judas) Rimmer defending this movie?


20 posted on 04/29/2008 10:26:55 AM PDT by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: ZGuy
“Talebzadeh’s film shows Jesus ascending to heaven before Roman soldiers come for him; Judas, the disciple who betrays him, is transformed into the likeness of Jesus and crucified.”

And this is MORE believable???? So, who was the schmuck hanging in the tree with his guts hanging out? I know, I know. Let me guess — a guy named Potter in whose name they made a cemetery. Yeah, yeah... that's it.

Only in the slightest is Talebzadeh’s thesis relevant to me. Jesus DID say there would be others. He said, “If you hear that he is out in the desert, do not look for me there, etc.” He wasn't exactly giving his imitators a compliment. In fact, I think he would be just a wee bit unhappy with anyone who preaches another message than we have heard him speak. It's a hint Mr. Talebzadeh, just a suggestion.

21 posted on 04/29/2008 10:33:38 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: ZGuy

Using an Islamist’s logic we should Nuke them for such blasphemes. By their logic we are dammed anyway so why not go for broke.

It may be a little hypocritical but at least the debate would end permanently.


22 posted on 04/29/2008 10:40:49 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Augustinian monk
The "Gospel of Barnabas" is a 14th century Islamic forgery, not an authentic Christian text of any era.

There's also an "Epistle of Barnabas" which is an authentic (and orthodox) Christian patristic text, but probably wasn't written by Barnabas either.

23 posted on 04/29/2008 12:01:55 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

I didn’t mean to sound as if I thought it was actually written by the Barnabas mentioned in the NT. I understand it to be a tool of Islam to undermine Christianity.


24 posted on 04/29/2008 1:21:10 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (You going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?- Jose Wales)
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