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Gene Robinson: “It is a sin to treat me this way”
Stand Firm in Faith ^ | Jackie Bruchi

Posted on 04/29/2008 7:35:23 PM PDT by Huber

I can't decide if Gene Robinson should be made an honorary member of Herman's Hermits (second verse same as the first) or just be named Crybaby of the Decade. Sure does a lot of book tours for someone who wants to just be a simple country bishop. Can't you just hear the heavy sigh?

Robinson is in London to promote his new book, In The Eye of the Storm. It is a spiritual memoir aimed, he says, at showing that he is more than "a one issue guy".

The last of its five sections, however, sets a course for the Lambeth Conference and beyond. It is, in one way, Robinson having his say, even though he's not going to be at the event itself.

Or, at least not at the gatherings of the bishops. "I'm going to be there, in the market place," he says, "making myself available to anyone who wants to talk."

He won't, as many Anglicans seem to hope, be allowing the whole issue to go away. It is in this refusal to be silent that I finally begin to see in this otherwise gentle and genial prelate that flash of steely resolve that drives all implacable dissenters forward.

"Jesus never says anything about homosexuality," he says, the light tone in his nasal voice suddenly darkening, "but he says a lot about treating every person with dignity and respect. All the biblical appeals for a particular attitude to homosexuality can never quote Jesus."

What, though, of Old Testament condemnations of "men who lay with men"?

"The Church isn't the same yesterday, today and tomorrow," he says.

"Only God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The Church has always been changing. The Holy Spirit is leading us into truth. And I believe we have learnt that about people of colour, about women, about those who are disabled and now about lesbian and gay people."

He would, I can see, be impressive in a pulpit. Perhaps it was his oratory that caused the Anglican electors of New Hampshire to vote decisively for him in 2003, and his fellow American bishops to give him their backing.

But, whatever their motives, their decision has had the effect of bringing to a head Anglicanism's muddled attitude to sexuality.

"As Anglicans we agree about so many things," Robinson concedes. "We are not arguing over the divinity of Christ, the Trinity or the Resurrection. We are arguing about a non-essential thing."


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: allaboutgene; anglican; apostacy; apostates; episcopal; fauxchristians; generobinson; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; lambeth; narcissism; narcissist; religiousleft; sin; tec
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1 posted on 04/29/2008 7:35:23 PM PDT by Huber
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2 posted on 04/29/2008 7:36:30 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber

“he is more than “a one issue guy”

hmmm,...I wonder where he is on issues such as abortion?


3 posted on 04/29/2008 7:45:58 PM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: Huber
> "Jesus ... says a lot about treating every person with dignity and respect.

Where, exactly, does Jesus say that in the Bible???

On the contrary, Jesus was NOT a "respecter of persons," and He said whatever needed to be said (to spread the Word and demonstrate the power of God), to whomever needed to hear it said.

4 posted on 04/29/2008 7:47:41 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Huber

Seems that some one does not believe that the head of the Church is Jesus and that since he never changes neither does the church.


5 posted on 04/29/2008 7:50:22 PM PDT by 1Truthseeker (willfully ignorant in Greek means dumb on purpose.)
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To: Huber

“Only God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. “

That’s right, Gene. And God is the author of those verses in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that condemn your lifestyle.

And in no uncertain, unambiguous terms either. Take it up with Him.


6 posted on 04/29/2008 7:57:17 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Huber

“Jesus never says anything about homosexuality,”

Jesus did say ,”Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” and if I remember correctly, the Law had a lot to say about homosexuality.


7 posted on 04/29/2008 7:58:15 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Huber
If it's "non-essential" then their side can give it up as easily as we. Besides, it isn't just OT.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

All people should be treated with compassion, but that does not obligate others to give them a position of spiritual authority over them.

Notice that the good bishop said only that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. Maybe true, but if he doesn't believe the rest of the NT, why is he a Christian at all? Besides, Jesus said noting about cigareetes, cocaine or heroin, either. Although, I don't think of cigarettes as a moral issue at all.

8 posted on 04/29/2008 7:59:57 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: Huber
"As Anglicans we agree about so many things," Robinson concedes. "We are not arguing over the divinity of Christ, the Trinity or the Resurrection. We are arguing about a non-essential thing." Well, to this Lutheran soteriology, justification, and sanctification are hardly non-essentials but the very center of what it means to be a Christian.

Augsburg Confession

Article VI: Of New Obedience.

1] Also they teach that this faith is bound to bring forth good fruits, and that it is necessary to do good works commanded by God, because of God's will, but that we should not rely on those works to merit justification 2] before God. For remission of sins and justification is apprehended by faith, as also the voice of Christ attests: When ye shall have done all these things, say: We are unprofitable servants. Luke 17, 10. The same is also taught by 3] the Fathers. For Ambrose says: It is ordained of God that he who believes in Christ is saved, freely receiving remission of sins, without works, by faith alone.

Article XII: Of Repentance.

1] Of Repentance they teach that for those who have fallen after Baptism there is remission of sins whenever they are converted 2] and that the Church ought to impart absolution to those thus returning to repentance. Now, repentance consists properly of these 3] two parts: One is contrition, that is, 4] terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of 5] the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that for Christ's sake, sins are forgiven, comforts 6] the conscience, and delivers it from terrors. Then good works are bound to follow, which are the fruits of repentance.

9 posted on 04/29/2008 8:20:56 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: Huber

“As Anglicans we agree about so many things,” Robinson concedes. “We are not arguing over the divinity of Christ, the Trinity or the Resurrection. We are arguing about a non-essential thing.”

I can think of many prominent Anglicans who do not believe in those things, like former Archbishop Spondge. (sp?)


10 posted on 04/29/2008 8:21:36 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Huber

Lets Pray for Rev Robinson..


11 posted on 04/29/2008 8:37:59 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (From Kuwait where the Weather is always Partly Sandy!)
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To: Huber
The Holy [a] Spirit is leading us into truth a lie
12 posted on 04/29/2008 9:20:06 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Huber

He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Plain and simple.


13 posted on 04/29/2008 9:27:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Huber

In the NT Paul discusses homosexuality. And not in a favorable light. In fact, Paul’s discussion of it supports the OT’s admonishing view of it.


14 posted on 04/29/2008 9:29:45 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Huber

Jesus DOES say something about MARRIAGE. And it is NOT that a man should leave his father and mother and cleave to his “husband.” And it is NOT that a man should leave his wife and children to lie with another man. From the Beginning it was not so. Read your Bible, Gene.


15 posted on 04/29/2008 10:31:47 PM PDT by informavoracious (God BLESS America)
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To: All

You all are taking this thread way too seriously. Robinson’s “theological” flaws are so self evident that he presents little more than a train wreck easily discernible by anyone of serious Christian faith.


16 posted on 04/30/2008 12:06:45 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber
So setting aside theological matters and looking instead at the ecclesiological angle...

Robinson is in London to promote his new book, In The Eye of the Storm.

We get the same train wreck. Does Gene "I just want to be the Bishop of New Hampshire" Robinson ever spend any time in New Hampshire? As Dale Price recently remarked in a comment on MCJ, "I'm beginning to think the best place to be if you want to avoid V. Gene is the Granite State."

Now to be fair, the "June bride" will soon be taking a break from his globetrotting to tend to his see... well, at least long enough to celebrate his own self-approved "civil union" ceremony: "It is up to the bishop of each diocese to decide whether to permit such blessings. Bishop Robinson, after consulting with a council in his diocese, has approved his own ceremony."

But then duty calls, so it's back to the (to quote Christopher Johnson) "Please Just Let Me Be The Episcopal Bishop Of New Hampshire" World Tour!

The Ecclesiastical Circus rolls on...

He would, I can see, be impressive in a pulpit on a soapbox.

There, fixed it. You're right, Huber, this is way too easy.

17 posted on 04/30/2008 3:31:46 AM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Huber

Is it “marketplace” or “meat market?”


18 posted on 04/30/2008 4:08:22 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: blue-duncan
Jesus target audience at the time were of the Jewish persuasion. Back then the Jews already condemned homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality etc. Hypocrisy/Adultery//Elitism etc. were more “troublesome” in causing the erosion of faith during Jesus' visit at the time.

Paul's target audience were the gentiles who engaged more openly in above written vices.

An elementary analysis but when you try to justify your sins you will try and read into God anyway you can.

19 posted on 04/30/2008 4:25:34 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Huber

“Rule One...”


20 posted on 04/30/2008 4:41:23 AM PDT by RichInOC ("...NO POOFTERS!")
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To: Huber
And I believe we have learnt that about people of colour, about women, about those who are disabled and now about lesbian and gay people."

Being a person of color or a woman or disabled is the same as being homosexual?

Well, knock me over with a feather.

I had no idea that being Black, female or disabled was an abomination.

21 posted on 04/30/2008 4:43:57 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

He reminds me of the Middle School kids I tutor in pre-algebra, algebra. They want to ARGUE with me about ‘the y should be negative’ or something else that they want THEIR way.

I tell them — it doesn’t matter whether you agree or not, these are immutable laws. Just do it this way. It is so non-negotiable.

He’s stuck in adolescence.


22 posted on 04/30/2008 7:11:54 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Huber

In a lot of so-called churches the Seven Deadly Sins have become the Seven New Sacraments.


23 posted on 04/30/2008 5:09:26 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Huber
Lest we forget where we last left the Episcopal Church...
24 posted on 04/30/2008 6:25:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Huber

bump


25 posted on 04/30/2008 6:28:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Huber
"Jesus never says anything about homosexuality,"

The swish bish needs to look up the meaning of the Greek word "pornea", something Jesus condemns in both the book of Matthew and Mark.

26 posted on 04/30/2008 6:37:01 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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