While I have all the respect in the world for +BARTHOLOMEW, I think BENEDICTUS PP. XVI keeps the right kind of company. I call this picture "The St. Bernard and the German Shepherd." :0)
Posted on 05/02/2008 9:35:08 PM PDT by markomalley
ROME (AFP) — The Vatican on Friday dismissed the US newsweekly Time's annual list of the world's 100 most influential people as "bizarre and arbitrary," saying the Holy See was pleased that the pope was not included.
"I am happy about this absence (of Pope Benedict XVI) from the list, whose composition is kind of bizarre and arbitrary," Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi told AFP.
Lombardi said he doubted whether the magazine took fully into account the pope's spiritual and moral authority.
This year's list does include the Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama as well as the patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church, Bartholomew I of Constantinople.
The diverse list includes Democratic White House hopefuls Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain, in that order, as well as cinema power couple Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, former tennis ace Andre Agassi and "The Kite Runner" author Khaled Hosseini.
However, Benedict, who became pope in 2005, was on the list for the past three years.
Others left off the list this year include Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Well, Angelina Jolie is certainly influential isn’t she?
Because he's a Marxist just like the clowns who write, edit and publish Time.
The Pope shouldn’t feel too bad, they also left Jim Robinson off the list. Magazine journalism...so 20th century passe.
Yes, of course, right after his triumphant visit to the USA - during which his tremendous influence was on display - we will remove him from the list.
Makes sense to me.
In the 1980s, a well-circulated weekly magazine made similar list based on a poll. Muhammad made into #4 or #5. The magazine’s chief editor, who happened to be a Catholic, had to spend several years in prison because of that.
Oops... I forgot to mention that the case was in Indonesia.
Well this only shows that the MSM clowns continue to display the monstrous ignorance, bias, and stupidity for which they are already notorious.
No matter what one believes on religious, political, or moral issues, to deny the obvious eminent influence of the Pope is simply preposterous. One could debate about where he belongs in the “top 10” on such a list, perhaps, but to leave him off the list entirely displays the profound imbecility of those making the list.
Frankly, I was saddened that the EP was put on the list. One is often judged by the company one keeps. To make matters worse, the article about him was written by the hereseiarch Arch Druid of Canterbury Rowan Williams.
Nothing against Bartholomew, but who is he?
“Nothing against Bartholomew, but who is he?”
You’re kidding, right? On the off chance you are not, His All Holiness, BARTHOLOMEW, is Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome and Ecumenical Patriarch. He is the 270th successor of St. Andrew. The Ecumenical Patriarch was the second in honor after the Pope of Rome in the pre-schism, One Church and now the first in honor among the bishops and patriarchs of the Orthodox Church.
The list has the Dalai Lama and Bartholomew I, but not the pope?
Clearly those who compiled the list are off their rockers.
Andre Agassi???
ROTFLMAO!!
Any top 100 list that includes Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt deserves whatever scorn it receives.
Thanks; I actually didn’t know who he is. Now, what does he do, since the local churches are all run by their own Patriarchs. Is he a figure head? And is he Greek, or can any Orthodox bishop become EP?
Thanks; I actually didn’t know who he is. Now, what does he do, since the local churches are all run by their own Patriarchs. Is he a figure head? And is he Greek, or can any Orthodox bishop become EP?
None of the local churches are run “by their own Patriarchs”. They are “run” by their Synods as the canons require.
Here’s a link to the website of the Ecumenical Patriarchate:
The EP is an ethnic Greek. Any Orthodox monastic of any ethnicity, not only bishops, can become the EP, though Turkey requires that the EP be a Turkish citizen and, I believe, to have served in the Turkish military. That requirement is one of the problems Turkey is having regarding entry into the EU.
I shrugged off Time long ago, are they still relevant?
Why - because he wasn’t #1?
No, because they considered it blasphemy to have Mohammad's name together with other mortals.
The irrelevant discussing the insubstantial...
See #8. As this was in Indonesia, I'm guessing the answer is "yes."
While I have all the respect in the world for +BARTHOLOMEW, I think BENEDICTUS PP. XVI keeps the right kind of company. I call this picture "The St. Bernard and the German Shepherd." :0)
Great picture! And who, I ask, does not love St. Bernards and German Shepherds? :)
In terms of “influence” - over people, wouldn’t the Russian Patriarch have more than the EP?
“In terms of “influence” - over people, wouldn’t the Russian Patriarch have more than the EP?”
No, not really. In any event, that’s not the way it works, though I am quite sure Moscow wishes it did.
ok, then, not influence over people, but let’s say moral influence — would the EP’s mandate have a greater say than the Patriarch of Russia (I harp on Patriarch Alexei as he leads the largest congregation)
“...but let’s say moral influence — would the EP’s mandate have a greater say than the Patriarch of Russia”
The EP is the primus inter pares. It is argued, and I agree by the way, that that primacy implies a sufficient level of “power” to make the primacy real. Moscow hates that because Moscow styles itself the Third Rome. An example of this has been seen with the dialogs between the Orthodox Churches and the Church of Rome. Met. John from the Phanar has argued for a sort of empowered primacy along the foregoing lines for the Pope in a united Church.
It seems to me that the moral authority of the EP far outstrips that of Moscow if only because of Moscow’s increasing ethnophyletism.
Good point — with the EP’s community practically zero, he truly has more of an ecumenical role rather than purely for one nation
Well said Theodorus...
May I ask why “triumphant visit to the USA” is used to describe his visit? Was there something he had to defeat or triumph over either to come, or while he was there?
If one doesn’t want to appear to be just another worldling or weirdo, it IS a good list be be left OFF of.
Actually, yes. Take a look around you. It’s called the dictatorship of relativism.
His visit was triumphant in that his outspokenness against the tryranny of that dictatorship was celebrated by the people of the USA despite the best efforts of the dictatorship’s servants in the media and universities.
Someone with your screen name ought to know who the heroes standing up against satan’s dictatorship of relativism are.
I trust you embrace Benedict XVI’s strong stance in favor of - and inspired unassailable defense of - in favor of God’s truth.
Do you know what John Leland (18th Century) believed about religious tyranny? Do you know who were the persecutors of of the men who led to John Leland’s migration to the Piedmont of North Carolina?
Not sure what prompted this reply.
Retired tennis players influence my thinking daily.
It was your snotty tone earlier in this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2010580/posts?page=33#33
Actually, I had forgotten to whom I asked the question.
You took it as “snotty.” I was genuinely wanting to know whay such verbeage is used. “Triumphal” has a meaning. What was the battle or conflict?
Actually, yes. Take a look around you. It’s called the dictatorship of relativism.
His visit was triumphant in that his outspokenness against the tryranny of that dictatorship was celebrated by the people of the USA despite the best efforts of the dictatorship’s servants in the media and universities
So, how goes the battle?
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