Do you see the words According to the custome of all civilized nations?
It is not a telestial law I mis spoke but neither is it pertaining to Celestrial law!
It is a Terrestial law.
Posted on 05/03/2008 1:18:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
Some people have supposed that the doctrine of plural marriage was a sort of superfluity, or non-essential to the salvation or exaltation of mankind. In other words, some of the Saints have said, and believe, that a man with one wife, sealed to him by the authority of the Priesthood for time and eternity, will receive an exaltation as great and glorious, if he is faithful, as he possibly could with more than one. I WANT HERE TO ENTER MY SOLEMN PROTEST AGAINST THIS IDEA, FOR I KNOW IT IS FALSE. There is no blesssing [blessing] promised except upon conditions, and NO BLESSING CAN BE OBTAINED BY MANKIND EXCEPT BY FAITHFUL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS, OR LAW, upon which the same is promised. The marriage of one woman to a man for time and eternity by the sealing power, according to the law of God, is a fulfillment of the celestial law of marriage IN PART-and is good so far as it goes-and so far as a man abides these conditions of the law, he will receive his reward therefor [therefore], and this reward, or blessing, he could not obtain on any other grounds or conditions. But this is only the beginning of the law, not the whole of it. Therefore, whoever has imagined that he could obtain the fullness of the blessings pertaining to this celestial law, by complying with only a portion of its conditions, has deceived himself. He cannot do it.
Smith makes it quite clear that Mormons who duck polygamy are...
...out of compliance with the full measure of the law...
...therefore ineligible to obtain the fullness of the blessings pertaining to this celestial law...
...and he "protests the idea" that it is considered by some "saints" to a "non-essential to the salvation or exaltation of mankind."
Seems pretty clear to anyone willing to admit what they read says what it says.
Yet there are those who will find a way out of this I’ve seen it done.
It appears that the mLDS Church does not preach the same Gospel as the oLDS Church. Joseph F. Smith has stated categorically that what the mLDS Church now teaches is FALSE.
“All men must obtain salvation upon their own merits, for by our works shall we be judged, and by them justified or condemned.”
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You seem to have chosen not to include the part of the talk that makes your point different then this half truth makes it seem.
” Did Jesus require anything inconsistent or impossible? No, he did nothing of that kind. All that he commanded us to do, we can accomplish by the help of the Holy Spirit; but we cannot do it ourselves.”
BUT WE CANNOT DO IT OURSELVES
Do you see the words According to the custome of all civilized nations?
It is not a telestial law I mis spoke but neither is it pertaining to Celestrial law!
It is a Terrestial law.
As ELDER JOSEPH F. SMITH says in the first part of this talk, you are helping God's work.
“Even their attempts to slander and misrepresent us, and their unrighteous attacks on the principles of our religion have ever tended to excite inquiry and iuvestigation [investigation] into the facts, which cannot but result beneficially to us as a people.
I say, the efforts of our enemies against ns [us] have ever had a tendency to cause people whe [who] desire to arrive at the truth, to inquire into the real condition of things The more people interest themselves in this direction, the more truth they will learn, and we court such investigation, for there is certainly nothing connected with us, as a religious community, in consonance with the gospel we preach, that we should be ashamed of, or that should not be known by all men.”
Interesting.
The Holy Bible tells us that no one is righteous, except for Christ. So... Christ could have had more than one wife? I think not! I do not believe that marriage was something He considered. He was not here on earth to fulfill any human physical desire.
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Yep, God reviled this to Brother Joseph.
Yet, as before, you choose not to tell us what God told the Saints to do at a later time.
If you would include God's later teachings, you would not be able to make your rantings look like it is really the truth.
You're quite welcome.
Just shining a little light on the doctrines of the LDS Church by posting a whole sermon in context.
Do you happen to disagree with anything your prophet has to say here?
Are you suggesting that Utah in the 1800's was uncivilized?
As a 54 year old, always single, hetro, male, “plural marriage” is for the insecure.
At one time the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints argued polygamy as practiced by the FLDS cult was essential to salvation.
For example, citing the opinion of the United States Supreme Court in the case of Reynolds v. United States case (98 U.S. 145), George Reynolds, Brigham Young's personal secretary, plead as follows:
On the trial, the plaintiff in error, the accused, proved that at the time of his alleged second marriage he was, and for many years before had been, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly called the Mormon Church, and a believer in its doctrines; that it was an accepted doctrine of that church "that it was the duty of male members of said church, circumstances permitting, to practise polygamy; . . . that this duty was enjoined by different books which the members of said church believed to be to divine origin, and among others the Holy Bible, and also that the members of the church believed that the practice of polygamy was directly enjoined upon the male members thereof by the Almighty God, in a revelation to Joseph Smith, the founder and prophet of said church; that the failing or refusing to practise polygamy by such male members of said church, when circumstances would admit, would be punished, and that the penalty for such failure and refusal would be damnation in the life to come." He also proved "that he had received permission from the recognized authorities in said church to enter into polygamous marriage; . . . that Daniel H. Wells, one having authority in said church to perform the marriage ceremony, married the said defendant on or about the time the crime is alleged to have been committed, to some woman by the name of Schofield, and that such marriage ceremony was performed under and pursuant to the doctrines of said church."It should also be noted the LDS Church steadfastly resisted all attempts to abandon the Principal (of polygamy) until the church was disbanded as a criminal organization under the Edmunds-Tucker Act of 1887 and their property ordered seized.
Furthermore, many in the LDS Church ignored President Woodruff's instructions to abandon polygamy until the Church was embarrassed in the Smoot Hearings (1904-07). Two members of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, among many others, were expelled from the brotherhood for increasing their number of polygamous wives. The Mormon Church was forced to issue a "this time we really mean it" Second Manifesto
Finally, it should be noted every LDS Church President openly practiced polygamy for over 120 years beginning with Joseph Smith in 1833 [when he "married" Fannie Alger after impregnating the 16-year old], continuing through 1945 and Heber Grant (above).
In light of the above, I find attempts by LDS members to distance themselves from their FLDS cousins on the grounds polygamy is morally and/or spiritually and/or doctrinally wrong both amusing and disingenuous.
***Yes let the light shine for those who can discern those folks that are on a Telestial path and those folks who strived to obey and live righteously the doctrine of Plural Marriage.***
I don’t believe that you have shared the names of those other nine wives that your devout LDS husband has. I keep asking and you keep not answering.
Interesting.
The Holy Bible tells us that no one is righteous, except for Christ. So... Christ could have had more than one wife? I think not! I do not believe that marriage was something He considered. He was not here on earth to fulfill any human physical desire.
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The Bible also said that man must strive to be righteous also the Bible said “Be ye perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect”
Now the Lord know here on earth man will not be perfect but man must stive to obey to the best of his abilities.
so many content with this concept instead of getting on their knees and asking the Lord to show them and help them to do the will [ aka works] of the Lord!
The Bible also tells in proverbs 11
6 The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.
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8 The righteous is delivered out of trouble, and the wicked cometh in his stead.
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10 When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth: and when the wicked perish, there is shouting.
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18 The wicked worketh a deceitful work: but to him that soweth righteousness shall be a sure reward.
19 As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.
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21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.
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23 The desire of the righteous is only good: but the expectation of the wicked is wrath.
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28 He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch.
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30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
31 Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.
Also
1 Jn. 3:
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
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10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Matt. 5: 6, 10, 20
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
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10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
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20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Anytime you have a prophet ( or prophetess in our case ) and constantly changing religion you have a real problem.
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You mean like a God who says not to kill, then tells you to kill.
You are saying that the God of the Bible is a false God for He has changed his religion.
(Exodus 20:13.)
13 Thou shalt not kill.
(Numbers 35:16-18.)
16 And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.
17 And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.
18 Or if he smite him with an hand weapon of wood, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.
You may also consider the following passage from the Book of Mormon condemning polygamy:
"But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.Book of Mormon, Jacob 2:23-24"Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."
The Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt:
"...it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST, . . .the MESSIAH chose. . .by marrying honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived. . . .We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives. . ." (The Seer, page 172)
You reading minds calling PM just a “Mino”?
I would like to bear my testimony.
That speech is a bunch of crap.
Thank you,
JRochelle
It is a term if one is not converted they are a Mormon in name only!
I again asked him if he had a conversion there was no answer.
From that he has told me over the years he did not therefore it is not an attack or mind reading!
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