Posted on 05/08/2008 9:33:52 PM PDT by festus
Six translations of Qur'an 4:34:
"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" (Rodwell's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Dawood's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Pickthall's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Arberry's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (Ali's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
So, regarding the topic of disciplining your wife which of the above passages do you feel best expresses what Allah and his Prophet, the one True Prophet btw, intended.
How do you apply this to your daily life and how do you feel it has helped you become closer to the One God and his Prophet.
( Remember this is only for positive uplifting conversation among Islamic Freepers and absolutely no bashing, criticizing, reasonable discourse that doesn't agree shall be permitted per the uniformly applied rules of such matters that are regularly enforced for other religions )
What are your thoughts ?
Touche’
My Prophet can beat up your Prophet.
Ok. Just trying Maha Rushies illustrating absurdity through absurdity.
I shall repent and not do this sort of thing again.
BTW: Moderating religions must be a tough job.
Having been threatened with “banning”, I shall forgo my thoughts on this caucused thread. ;-)
I just love it when you do that!! :)
Is it okay to post a phony caucus? I mean, there are Mohammaden Republicans, but I don’t think any are around here.
Those are all mistranslations.
You are quoting the Prophet out of context in an attempt to ridicule the Religion of Peace.
You have to understand what the Prophet was saying in context. You are not sincere.
You haven't read these passages with a sincere heart and asked Allah to reveal to you whether they are true.
Here you have a promise: Take a copy of the Koran and hold it gently and reverently to your breast and then pray to Allah to answer you whether this book is true and if you are sincere in your heart and believe, nothing wavering, then you will get a burning in your bosom.
Infidel!
Yeah, we're all really out here at FR!!
Example!!
Hope I don't get banned!!
Which translation do you feel best conveys the true meaning of the original text text?
Can we ask questions?
You’re a bad, bad FReeper. Really. I mean it. Stop laughing....
Do you value your tongue, infidel?
More than some. Less than others.
LOL!
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