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1 posted on 05/09/2008 11:37:51 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; Art Bell

As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do — that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years.

Paging Art Bell.


2 posted on 05/09/2008 11:40:37 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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...that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years.

Makes sense. No oxygen = no oxidation.

Cars probably last longer, too.

10 posted on 05/09/2008 11:56:21 PM PDT by BikerTrash
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How can rational people follow a moon-bat cultist like Joe Smith. He just keeps getting funnier and funnier, it would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic for his blind, deaf and dumb followers.
11 posted on 05/10/2008 12:01:09 AM PDT by Carl from Marietta
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If there were no inhabitants on the moon, then how did the following happen?

Ignignot: “Hello, Carl, I am Ignignot, and this is Ur.”

Ur: “I am Ur!”

Ignignot: “We are Mooninites from the inner core of the Moon.”

Ur: “You said it right!”

Ignignot: “Our race is hundreds of years beyond yours.”

Ur: “Man, you hear what he's sayin’?”

Ignignot: “Some would say that the Earth is *our* moon.”

Ur: *We're* the Moon!”

Ignignot: “But that would belittle the name of our Moon, which is the Moon.”

Ur: “Point is, we're at the center, not you!”

Carl: “No, the real point is I don't give a damn.” (slams door)
Ignignot: “Is your ego satisfied?”

Ur: “Damn no!”

12 posted on 05/10/2008 12:02:34 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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You’re a bad, bad FReeper...but I AM edified.


13 posted on 05/10/2008 12:05:44 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (This space reserved for a decent candidate,,,lemme know when we get one.)
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Could you ping the FIPs?

The Moon is in the Ilky Way, and I don't have the updated list yet.

16 posted on 05/10/2008 12:14:57 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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I think we need some Mormons to come on here and defend their founder’s comments.

After all, he was inspired and spoke “truth.”


18 posted on 05/10/2008 12:27:16 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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This again? ...sigh.

The idea that Joseph taught the moon is inhabited comes from the writing of Oliver B. Huntington in 1881 (his journal) and in 1892 (the Young Woman's Journal). Huntington claimed that Joseph Smith's father had given him a patriarchal blessing in 1837 which promised that he would preach the gospel to the moon inhabitants.

Close examination reveals that Huntington was only ten years old when he was given this blessing and that his recollections were made over fifty years later. Also, it turns out that the blessing was given by his own father, not Joseph Smith's father.

According to a copy of the blessing in the Church archives (Blessing Book, vol.9, pp.294-95), it was only one of many given the same day at the same meeting, and none were recorded in detail at the time. Orson Pratt took sketchy notes as the blessings were given, then filled in details later by consulting those who were there. An examination of the blessing shows that the recorded blessing was much more vague than Huntington remembered.

It also appears that Huntington may have picked up on a rumor that Joseph Smith had given a description of the inhabitants of the moon. This description, which Huntington recorded in his journal, is the original source of the anti-Mormon claim that Joseph described the moon inhabitants. Because his journal is also cited in a Young Woman's publication of the Church, it supposedly gives more credibility to the critics. The statement, which appeared in a two-page article by Oliver B. Huntington entitled “The Inhabitants of the Moon” in the Young Woman's Journal, is as follows:

As far back as 1837, I know that he [Joseph SmithJ said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we d~that they live generally to near the age of a 1,000 years.
He described the men as averaging nearly six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style (Young Woman's Journal, Vol.3, p.263).

From what is quoted here, the most we can conclude is that 0. B. Huntington was familiar with rumors of statements that were attributed to Joseph Smith. However, there is nothing in the writings of Joseph Smith or those who recorded his words prior to his death that even hints of any these views about inhabitants on the moon. This earliest recollection was recorded in 1881, 37 years after the prophet's death.
Even if it turned out that the prophet held these views, nowhere does scripture suggest that a prophet is not allowed to speculate about things that haven't been revealed. Many people during the Nineteenth Century, both the learned and not-so-learned, were speculating on this subject. Joseph Smith's personal opinions and what he taught as revealed doctrine, however, are two entirely different things. The idea that he taught it as a revealed doctrine is based upon Oliver B. Huntington's fifty-year-old, correct or incorrect memory of his blessing, and a rumor that was current in 1881.

Another aspect of the matter needs to be considered. At the present time, man has no scientific or revealed knowledge of whether or not there are inhabitants on the earth's moon. The fact that a handful of astronauts didn't see any inhabitants in the tiny area they viewed when they landed on the moon decades ago certainly gives no definitive information, any more than visitors to earth who might land in barren Death Valley would have any idea of the billions of inhabitants elsewhere.

John the Revelator “saw an angel standing in the sun” (Rev. 19:17). Perhaps we have much to learn about inhabitants of other heavenly spheres.

23 posted on 05/10/2008 12:42:36 AM PDT by sevenbak (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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King of the Moon seen here waiting in line for tickets to Cloverfield.
31 posted on 05/10/2008 1:08:19 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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Re: Was Joseph Smith a false prophet?

JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD RIGHT (literally) REGARDING TWO PROPHESIES

A VAIN PROPHET WILL BE THROWN DOWN: July 1828. D&C 3:4.

For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.

FULFILLED: On May 26, 1844, Joseph Smith made the following statement in a public sermon (Brodie p 374, HC 6:408-412):

Come on, ye persecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! For I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

At this time Smith was secretly married polygamously to over 30 women, some of them wives of men still living. Many who knew of these secret marriages accused him of changing the doctrine of the church to satisfy his own carnal desires in violation of the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2:23-29, 3:5) and D&C 49:16.

Almost exactly one month after this boast, on June 27, 1844, Smith was killed by his enemies in a gun battle at Carthage Jail.

NOTE: For some reason, this prophecy by Joseph Smith, although it was fulfilled quickly and literally, is rarely cited by Mormons.

GLOBAL WARMING: Nov 3, 1831. D&C 133:26.

Those who are in the north countries... shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.

FULFILLED: Smith's uncanny prediction of Global Warming resulting from hydrocarbons taken by smiting the rocks has been confirmed by no less of an authority than the Nobel Laureate AlGore.

JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD WRONG (literally) REGARDING DOZENS OF OTHER PROPHESIES

You can see a partial list of 50 or so of Smith's failed prophecies HERE.

36 posted on 05/10/2008 4:35:17 AM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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*snort*... *cough* You don’t say? You learn something new every day. *chortle*


38 posted on 05/10/2008 5:06:39 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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The moon is probably more likely to have some life than a random planet.

One theory is that the moon was formed after the earth was hit by a large object. If this happened while life was on earth, some could have been transferred.

Now, there are not too many(maybe none) Earth lifeforms that would survive and reproduce on the surface of the moon. Underground could be a different story...


41 posted on 05/10/2008 5:20:40 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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the moon was inhabited by men and women

The moon doesn't even have caddies up there and that's been proven.....

44 posted on 05/10/2008 5:26:26 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Bill & Hillary Clinton are the human equivalent of the herpes virus.....)
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Poor seven (of nine). What a faux pas.

According to a survey done by LDS author R. Clayton Brough, 4 percent of the LDS population believes in the hollow earth theory and that it is a probable explanation for the location of the lost 10 tribes.

http://www.ufodigest.com/provo.html

48 posted on 05/10/2008 5:58:12 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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52 posted on 05/10/2008 6:18:17 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.

As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth,

OOOps.

53 posted on 05/10/2008 6:18:59 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Think of it as...an eschatological intrusion." BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM!! BOOOM!!)
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As you know I'm not LDS and I don't agree with many of their teachings, but threads like this are not very edifying. Or at least the responses are not. The tone is mocking, sarcastic and sometimes just plain mean. None of these attitudes and behaviors can be remotely considered Christian.

A bible word search on "mock" will turn up some interesting results. It's something that's generally done by non-Christians no matter what the context. When Christians encountered beliefs that they didn't agree with or that were wrong, did they mock or did they teach?

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Now I don't except myself from this because I'm not perfect but it seems like threads like this would serve to illustrate one thing about Christians: That they love to belittle and mock others. I think everyone should examine themselves and look at their real motivations.

55 posted on 05/10/2008 6:39:19 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Flying Spaghetti Monster - been there.

WWFSMD?

62 posted on 05/10/2008 7:04:38 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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“that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes.”

We know this is true.
Everyone of them was counted as a vote for Al Gore in 2000.

Especially the moon men. All moon men vote for Democrats. More than once.

We must stop lunar vote fraud.


74 posted on 05/10/2008 7:38:53 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do -- that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years. He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.

And wearing Keds.

75 posted on 05/10/2008 7:39:55 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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