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Storm hits Midwest, South; earthquake rips China; what is God telling us? (Catholic Caucus)
America Needs Fatima blog ^ | 5/12/2008 | Robert Ritchie

Posted on 05/13/2008 9:46:56 AM PDT by Pyro7480

At Fatima, Our Lady gave a basic message: conversion or chastisement. Conversion is not happening, and we are living in a moral crisis that is a real chastisement.

But we are also experiencing a chastisement in the form of natural disasters. The disasters are also invitations to conversions.

St. Alphonsus Liguori, tells us how God uses natural calamities such as floods, tornadoes, and earthquakes, to warn people to change their ways, rather than as punishments. He show proves that God uses these disasters to warn us to change our ways.

Here are the facts:

-- Mother's Day brought a devastating storm system that hit the Midwest and South, causing 22 deaths....

-- China was shaken by an earthquake of 7.8 magnitude.... Fatalities could pass 10,000.

-- Cyclone in Burma-Myanmar: Officials the death toll could reach more than 100,000, with disease killing even more.

-- Chiaten Volcano in Chile: a 9,000 year dormant volcano is spewing ash for weeks, and is forecast to continue blowing for weeks, months and even years. The volcano started erupting shortly after a man in black burnt the statue of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Chile, the Patroness of the country.

He [St. Alphonsus] discusses how God threatens to chastise us in order to save us from chastisement; how sinners often refuse to believe in God's Divine Threats until the chastisements come upon them; how God is merciful for a season and then chastises; how external devotions are useless if we do not cleanse our souls from sin; how God chastises us in this life for our good, not for our destruction; and the four principal gates of Hell, which are hatred, blasphemy, theft and impurity....

(Excerpt) Read more at americaneedsfatima.blogspot.com ...


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NYer's post on the volcanos erupting prompted me to post this for discussion. Have we as Catholics "moved beyond" the "St. Alphonsus Liguori" way of thinking concerning natural disasters?
1 posted on 05/13/2008 9:46:57 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 05/13/2008 9:47:44 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

Clearly you bitter people hang on to your God! I say it is the true religion that is causing these events. Global Warming! “Repent and give me your money and your freedom.” Gore Gospel Chapter 5 verse 7.


3 posted on 05/13/2008 9:49:29 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Pyro7480
Please, this is a ridiculous. If you "believe" this, then you believe that "global warming" is a factor too and Al Gore is "right".

It is just weathers natural occurance. I believe in God and all that, but one thing worse then atheists are religious nutjobs spouting this stuff. The other spectrum of nuttyness from the anti-religious zeolot nutjobs.

4 posted on 05/13/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by ma bell ("Bonus fortuna vobis quod equus vos rode una")
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To: Pyro7480
What is God telling us?

Nature > humans

5 posted on 05/13/2008 9:52:48 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Pyro7480

I can’t say I an in line with this one. God’s creation is a wonderment, and stuff happens as part of a huge complex and dynamic system that is beyond our control and influence.

I suspect that God warns us in smaller ways in our individual lives. At least, that is the way that it feels for me personally.


6 posted on 05/13/2008 9:56:16 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Bigg Red

I’m not Catholic but I do believe you’re right. God is telling us that he gave us a dynamic planet to live on.


7 posted on 05/13/2008 9:59:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Pyro7480

The presupposition is that God is trying to tell us something. Anything. It’s a dubious assumption. It’s entirely possible that He isn’t trying to tell us anything.


8 posted on 05/13/2008 10:00:01 AM PDT by Sgt Joe Friday 714
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To: Pyro7480

That it is Spring, thank God.


9 posted on 05/13/2008 10:05:25 AM PDT by doodad
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To: ma bell
Well, in this instance, the author only names two weather occurance. The other two are geological - an earthquake and a volcano. It doesn't necessarily lead one to believe in "global warming," which at least in terms of it being human-caused, is a sham.

I believe in God and all that, but one thing worse then atheists are religious nutjobs spouting this stuff.

One needs to be careful here. If you doubt God doesn't interact in this way, it could lead to one thinking that God doesn't interact at all, which is the underpinning of Deism.

10 posted on 05/13/2008 10:13:52 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: doodad

More earthquakes and volcanoes occur in the spring?


11 posted on 05/13/2008 10:14:28 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Sgt Joe Friday 714
It’s a dubious assumption. It’s entirely possible that He isn’t trying to tell us anything.

As I said in post #10, "one needs to be careful here. If you doubt God doesn't interact in this way, it could lead to one thinking that God doesn't interact at all, which is the underpinning of Deism."

12 posted on 05/13/2008 10:15:27 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Bigg Red

I find it interesting (and please don’t take this as a criticism of you specifically) that no one has answered my question yet: “Have we as Catholics ‘moved beyond’ the ‘St. Alphonsus Liguori’ way of thinking concerning natural disasters?”


13 posted on 05/13/2008 10:16:49 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

Buy good insurance.


14 posted on 05/13/2008 10:18:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Pyro7480

Faith doesn’t promise us that. Think back to the psalm: ‘When you travel through the valley of the shadow of death I’ll be with you’. Not ‘if’, ‘when’ is what the scripture says.

The Christian gospel never says that there will not be suffering or evil. And it does not promise us that we will not go through it. And those of you being confirmed today, this isn’t some sort of talisman which will stop you ever experiencing evil. You and I will experience the same suffering that is the common lot of humanity.

The above by the Anglican Bishop of Litchfield
see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2014787/posts


15 posted on 05/13/2008 10:20:18 AM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: Pyro7480

The first sermon that Jesus preached was a message of repentance (cf. Mt 4:17). As He through whom all things were made, I have no problem with the idea of his continuing to call us to repentance through the world he created.


16 posted on 05/13/2008 10:24:49 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Pyro7480

Don’t worry, FRiend, I have never known you to be critical of me or of anyone else. I guess I can’t answer the question you posited because I don’t see my take as “moving beyond” because that phrase implies that my thinking is somehow superior. I just see my position as on a different pathway, one that is neither greater nor lesser than the good saint’s.


17 posted on 05/13/2008 10:36:39 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Pyro7480
Mother's Day brought a devastating storm system that hit the Midwest and South, causing 22 deaths....

-- China was shaken by an earthquake of 7.8 magnitude.... Fatalities could pass 10,000.


God hates China more than the US???
18 posted on 05/13/2008 10:38:16 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Operation Chaos is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: gdani

I need a bigger sign. Like California breaking off into the sea for starters.


19 posted on 05/13/2008 10:39:05 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Pyro7480

Deuteronomy VI,5


20 posted on 05/13/2008 10:39:07 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Pyro7480

Earthquakes, volcanoes, storms?

These are all part of the natural order of things that God created. We live in a violent Universe.

God’s not “telling us” anything.


21 posted on 05/13/2008 10:39:30 AM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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To: ma bell

Now I do not agree with the Catholics on their end times theories, and I may not be in agreement with a lot of the evangelicals, but I do read the word, and I know God uses His creations to get a point across to us. Just read what Christ told Peter, and what Peter told his readers when he wrote about the end, and you will know that God has, does and will use all His creations to get to the end He wants.

Matthew 24:3-31

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, “I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 “Therefore when you see the “abomination of desolation,’spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, “Look, here is the Christ!’ or “There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, “Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or “Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Years later Peter wrote to his flock and told them to be ready, because a day to the lord is like a thousand to us, and vise versa, he then told them what will happen in the end. Yes their will be global warming, but it will be by God’s hand not ours

2Peter 3:10-13

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


22 posted on 05/13/2008 10:45:07 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

“but I do read the word, and I know God uses His creations to get a point across to us.”

Our liturgy states: Christ has died; Christ is Risen; Christ will come again.

Do what the day requires because the end will come.

If you think times are bad today, things were much worse in the past. Think Krakatoa and the year without a summer. People starved all over the world because it was too cold for the growing season.

Google “end times” and get 70,100,000

Google “left behind” and get 43,200,000

Google “Beatitudes” and get 1,130,000

I think I’ll live the “Beatitudes” and not worry so much, because if one doesn’t, one will get “Left Behind” in the “End Times.”

(Disclaimer: Catholics do not believe in the interpretation of “Rapture.” Used for illustration only. Do not try this at home.)


23 posted on 05/13/2008 11:09:41 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Internet Torquemada of FR. Trip over yourself at your own risk.)
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To: dragonblustar
I need a bigger sign. Like California breaking off into the sea for starters.

Hold on, now....

24 posted on 05/13/2008 11:11:48 AM PDT by sandyeggo
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To: Pyro7480

“Ring of Fire” bump.

I think first of all, if we don’t live every day as if it is our last, we’re doing something wrong. Every day is a gift, every day is a chance for grace, every day is a chance for repentance.

However - I can’t think on abortion, homosexuality, marriage, wars and rumors of wars and all the rest without having the niggling idea that we’re in this vortex, spinning faster and faster to the end of times, saying “How long, O Lord”?


25 posted on 05/13/2008 11:19:23 AM PDT by sandyeggo
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To: OneVike
Random thoughts...

Reading this thread, I believe the types of “that's not God, that's just nature” comments have the ring of what will be said when the end is actually at hand. It is almost as a prophet speaking those typed words.

With the rise in oil and the coming stress associated with it, the problems are beginning to emerge...famine...wars...rumors of wars. It is as though we are given a peek into a certain future.

The rise of Islam as an emerging global movement could realistically bring the global false religion and the evil leader prophesied.

...but these are merely my random thoughts.

26 posted on 05/13/2008 11:34:14 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: Pyro7480
Storm hits Midwest, South; earthquake rips China; what is God telling us?

He's telling ya earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes and storms have always been with us, and that you should build strong buildings and be prepared.

Of course the 3 little pigs story told you this too.

27 posted on 05/13/2008 11:38:50 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragonblustar
I need a bigger sign. Like California breaking off into the sea for starters.

I'd settle for small, 100' wide asteroid striking your house.

28 posted on 05/13/2008 11:44:50 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Pyro7480

Pyro,

Can’t say the thought hasn’t crossed my mind recently. I believe I heard that tonados were up three fold this year. In part do the unseasonable cold.


29 posted on 05/13/2008 11:48:16 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribe, tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park" Watching the Rat Fight. typical white person)
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To: OpusatFR

I agree with you about not worrying about the end. However I do believe God uses natural disasters to formulate His plans. I also agree that there were many more disasters in the past, and they were much more intense. However, I live in a world where the population is many, many, many more times then then. When I look ate the warnings by Christ, I look at the way Christ knows men.

Follow me for a moment and you will see my logic.

Christ foretold the destruction of the Temple (In my opinion one of the Wonders of the Ancient world). Christ new that the Jewish zealots would push the Romans to the point of crushing them. He also knew that those same zealots would lock themselves in the Temple and force the Romans to use extreme measures to get them. Remember, the Roman general Titus wanted to spare the Temple. The Romans were into antiquities and they looked upon the Jewish Temple as one of THEIR great structures, not the Jews. However, once the Jews locked themselves in the Temple it was impossible to get them with out completely destroying it. Finally, they stacked thousand of tons of wood around and on top of the Temple, set it on fire and watched the fire do their work.

Soon the conflagration became so hot, that the Gold that was on the dome melted down between the huge square rocks cut for the walls. Now back then when they constructed walls with these huge cut rocks. They would leave spaces enough for expansion and contraction during hot summers to cold winters. Well when the gold melted, it dripped down between the cracks of thge walls.
After all the Zealots were killed, probably by smoke inhalation, the Roman became obsessed with getting the gold they saw between the rocks. Even though the Roman general ordered the soldiers to get back and allow what was left of the beautifull Temple to be saved, the soldiers went crazy with their desire to get the gold.
Fulfilling the prophecy of Christ the soldier used pry bars to dismantle the whole Temple in order to get to the gold, When all was said and done. There was not one stone left standing, one could not recognise the temple as Christ foretold.

Now, back to my point.

Jesus did not Himself as God destroy the Temple. It coud be said the the Israelites had seen such destruction before, the Babylonian captivity and destruction of the first Temple. Yet it was foretold because Jesus knew the hearts of the Jews, they would not accept Him. Thus they would die trying to continue their world, i.e. their needing of the Temple to worship God.,

When Jesus foretold the end times of the world, He did so with the foreknowledge of God. He knows mankind’s heart and mind. He knew we as a people would look at our moment in history as all that matters, and we would craft ideas and policies that would lead to the end, and usher His return. We as a people do not even remember 911. How silly of you to think most people will remember that we have had worse weather, and earthquakes, and storms then today.
And we are now embarking upon policies that will utterly ruin societies around the world. At a moment when we have 24/7 news cycles, it seems like we are truly in the end times.
Remember, Christ told this to Christians not unbelievers, so what we see is what matters, and the last time I checked, most Christians do not know much more a bout the history of disasters anymore then unbelieving secularists.
So, the PERCEPTION to us is, we are in the end times.

So, in conclusion, Christians like the Jews will end up helping the prophecy to be fulfilled, Christ knew it, and so now we see it happening all around us.

Me, like you, will be ready when He returns and not worry about the signs. Just my soul.


30 posted on 05/13/2008 11:52:06 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: dragnet2

I would too but i’d feel sorry for the poor family that’s renting at the moment.


31 posted on 05/13/2008 12:11:02 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Pyro7480
"one needs to be careful here. If you doubt God doesn't interact in this way, it could lead to one thinking that God doesn't interact at all, which is the underpinning of Deism."

I don't like that 'all or nothing' approach. I didn't suggest that God doesn't interact in this way. I was just suggesting the possibility that God isn't trying to communicate anything to us in any one (or more) natural disaster.

32 posted on 05/13/2008 12:23:52 PM PDT by Sgt Joe Friday 714
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To: Sgt Joe Friday 714

That’s why I used the word “could.”


33 posted on 05/13/2008 12:27:09 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: OneVike

Long story short, what you are saying is that people have lost a sense of historicity.

Your take is interesting. Well, I guess we will see how it all turns out. At least we know the ending!


34 posted on 05/13/2008 12:42:45 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Internet Torquemada of FR. Trip over yourself at your own risk.)
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To: Bigg Red

What you said!

We live on a huge, wonderous, complex and dynamic world.

God warns us through that little voice that He implanted in all of us right along side of the ruleset. It’s called a conscience, not weather.


35 posted on 05/13/2008 1:02:52 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Pyro7480

A being that knows (not controls, ie gave us free will) every occurrence that will ever happen after he set it in motion is not “not interacting” - He already HAS interacted and IS interacting. God is the alpha and omega, simultaneously, and outside (not limited by) of our concept of time.


36 posted on 05/13/2008 1:05:18 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Pyro7480

We are living in a time of grace, “bonus time” if you will, as God desires ALL men to turn to Him and gives us every opportunity. One day that time of grace will be ended.


37 posted on 05/13/2008 1:19:29 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: ichabod1

My groom and I have wondered since we live in and have the fullness of faith and revelation, are we more culpable than others.

We are aware of those lapses more than most since we are accustomed to an examination of conscience while other faiths don’t even know what it is or how to proceed.

Do you think our lapses in the face of our knowledge of sin, I’m talking venial here, not mortal although that could be a point also, would bring about a harsher judgment?


38 posted on 05/13/2008 1:30:46 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Internet Torquemada of FR. Trip over yourself at your own risk. I don't answer some posts)
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To: Pyro7480

Southwest Missouri is one of the most religious areas of the nation. You know you are in the Ozarks when you see billboards of bible verses on the interstate and bluegrass gospel on the radio.

If the tornadoes that happened in the area is God’s punishment then why did he punish his followers rather than heathens in liberal cities?


39 posted on 05/13/2008 2:04:29 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Pyro7480

Headline from HuffPo;

“China Earthquake, Florida Fires,US Tornadoes, Burma Cyclone Ravage The Angry Earth”

Every natural disaster, even earthquakes, is caused by humans pissing off Gaia.


40 posted on 05/13/2008 2:19:14 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Pyro7480

If we agree, then I don’t see the point in your responses to my posts on this thread.


41 posted on 05/13/2008 2:20:07 PM PDT by Sgt Joe Friday 714
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To: OpusatFR

We are all responsible for what we do with what we know. Jesus told Capernaum that it will be better on judgement day for those of Sodom & Gamora, then for them. That is because If they knew what the people of Capernaum knew they would have repented.

Knowledge is power, and it is a life giving, or life ending power. We live in a time when knowledge is plentiful, and available for any who desire to know truth. It is up to us to seek for the truth, because in it we will find God. But once we find it we have no excuse for ignorance. The people of Capernaum had Christ living among them, His ministry was based there in their midst. The Sodomites did not have such a chance.

We here in America have more truth at the tip of our fingers then ever before, we know right from wrong, and we know how to share what is truth. James warned against those who teach.

James 3:1
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

So we know what is right and wrong, that is why we will be held to a higher standard then those who only know Christ as their savior, but are not quite up on all the Scriptural answers to everything the Word speaks of. Other then what the holy Spirit leads them to, they will only be judged on their limited knowledge of Christs atoning sacrifice for their sins. Like the thief on the cross, his salvation was assured, but that is all he knew.

You on the other hand are more knowledgeable on the word then millions around the world who believe in Christ. You will be saved, but what are you doing with the knowledge He has gifted you with. The apostles all but John were martyred for what they did with the knowledge of Christ.

However even if we stumble we have a propitiatore as John said in 1 John 2:1-2.....

Be secure in your salvation, because like Paul told the Corinthians in 1Corinthians 3:15, even if you do nothing with your knowledge, that is have no works, you will survive like a field that survived a fire storm. All the hay, stubble and plants are burned away, but like the field itself you will make it to heaven.


42 posted on 05/13/2008 2:42:53 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Swiss

The article didn’t mention the disasters being God’s punishment, but as means of telling people to change their ways.


43 posted on 05/13/2008 2:49:55 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: OpusatFR

To whom much is given much is asked? I honestly don’t think I can say that I am any better than anybody else because I (usually) know my Redeemer liveth. Every time I start to think so I’m reminded of my own deficiencies all too harshly. Only the heathen think Christians are goody-goodies. We know only too well the sins of every man.

Knowing something is a sin at the time you’re doing it won’t keep you from doing it. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. But knowledge of the love of God may be enough to save you from eternal damnation. I don’t think we’ll know until we get there. The church won’t let us pronounce judgement on anybody else, why would we on ourselves?

It’s a mystery.


44 posted on 05/13/2008 2:53:53 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Pyro7480
Storm hits Midwest, South; earthquake rips China; what is God telling us?

Life sucks, get a f#$%ing helmet.

45 posted on 05/13/2008 2:58:17 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: Centurion2000
And yes ... God really does send those messages from time to time.

Exodus was no picnic.

46 posted on 05/13/2008 2:59:00 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: Pyro7480

Then why didn’t the disaster hit Washington D.C. where there is much more need for them to change their ways?

So you are saying a little church going girl gets crippled for life from some tornado or earthquake well it is just a means of God telling us to change our ways?


47 posted on 05/13/2008 3:12:14 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Pyro7480
I came across this today and fits in with your thoughts:

Mark Mallett

Signs From the Sky


The Perseus Comet, "17p/holmes"

 

Two days ago, the words "THE STORM HAS ARRIVED" came to mind. Since publishing the writing below on November 5th, 2007, a world food shortage crisis has developed; the world economy has become extremely fragile; the alarm has been raised over new incurable "superbugs"; major storms are pummeling the world; powerful earthquakes are appearing or re-appearing suddenly in odd places with growing frequency; and Russia and China continue to make headlines as they flex their military muscle, raising more concerns over "wars and rumors of wars." Perhaps we don’t feel these events quite as intensely yet in North America because of our "wealth and comfort buffer," but God is speaking to the whole world, not just the West. We are beginning to experience, as a global community, common signs. 

Perhaps the greatest sign is that which is rising in the hearts of many I speak to. The sense of "imminence" of "something" has perhaps never been greater. These events will continue, and increase in intensity. As a hurricane is weak in the beginning, but becomes strong enough that one has to take "safe measures", so too are we at a point where I believe we are being told to take "safe measures."  When a woman begins to experience intense labor pains, she goes to the hospital. The safe measures I am concerned with are those of the soul. Are you prepared? Are you in a state of grace? Are you listening carefully through prayer to the still small voice in your heart directing you for these times?

I also recommend a re-reading of The Prodigal Hour. Again, it was written prior to my knowledge of a food crisis. And I wrote this prologue, prior to today’s earthquake in China. We pray for them, and for the victims of the many natural and man-made disasters around the globe.

A writing comes to mind as I speak of these things, and as many of you speak of these things as well. Do you feel like a fool for Christ? Blessed are you! Re-read: Ark of fools

The times have arrived. The winds of change are strong, and beginning to blow  with hurricane force. Fix your eyes on Christ, for the Eye of the Storm is coming… 


 

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come from the sky. (Luke 21:10-11)


THE
"word" that we have arrived at the threshold of The Day of the Lord came to me the evening after I wrote One Word. That night, October 23rd, 2007, a comet suddenly "exploded" in the constellation of Perseus (it is now visible to the naked eye). Immediately my heart leapt when I read this in the news; I felt strongly that this was significant and a sign.

The next day as I prepared to write The Day of the Lord, another sign broke out—oppression, discord, and a bombardment of distractions that pummeled me like a meteor shower for 10 days, such that it was nearly impossible to write. That too, I knew, was a sign.

 

PERSEUS

After sending you this important word on The Day of the Lord, I felt my attention drawn immediately to this comet called "17p/Holmes." And that’s when I read that it was spotted in Perseus, near the brightest star called Alpha Persei

I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the one who is and who was and who is to come… (Rev 1:8)

Perseus is the Greek hero known as "The Champion" or "The Rescuer" who slew the monster Medusa with a sword.  He was riding upon a white horse called Pegasus. I recently wrote that I believe we are on the verge of seeing the prophetic element of Revelation for our times being fulfilled, that is, the breaking of the Seals of the Apocalypse which usher in a purification of the world through war, famine, and persecution etc. (see The Breaking of the Seals). The First Seal is a rider upon a white horse.  

I looked, and there was a white horse, and its rider had a bow. He was given a crown, and he rode forth victorious to further his victories. (Rev 6:2)

Pope Pius XII identifies the rider as Jesus who suddenly appears in the Heavens

Then I saw the heavens opened,and there was a white horse; its rider was (called) "Faithful and True." He judges and wages war in righteousness…  (Rev 19:11)

I believe the appearance of this comet is a sign to prepare your heart for the appearance of the rider upon the white horse in the "illumination of conscience." I have explained what this event is in The Eye of the Storm. It is a mini-judgment in which every human being on the earth will see themselves as God sees them (perhaps triggered by seeing the crucified Christ appear in the sky much the way St. Faustina did.) It will do much to convert many souls. But it will also bring about a hardening upon the most proud and unrepentant who survive it. Thus, the following Six Seals must be broken to continue the purifying judgment of the world, beginning with the rider upon the red horse:

Another horse came out, a red one. Its rider was given power to take peace away from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another. And he was given a huge sword. (Rev 6:4)

 

COINCIDENCE?

At the moment I began to write this meditation, while sitting in a truck stop, a song came on the speakers in the restaurant. It’s a song I have heard a hundred times before. But this time, I listened to the lyrics.  

BAD MOON RISING
(by Credence Clearwater Revival)

I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin’.
I see bad times today…

I hear hurricanes a-blowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin…

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Of course, these words don’t provide the hope which Christ offers in this present darkness.  Nonetheless… a coincidence? Perhaps.

 

PREPARE!

And so, the message is the same as it was exactly two years ago when I began writing these words: Prepare!

I know some of my readers are afraid or hesitant to read my writings because they speak of difficult times which are approaching if there is no repentance. But the warning is not the whole message! It is not the final word! The crux is that you will be safe if you place your trust in the Mercy and Love of Jesus. You will be safe if you entrust yourself to Mary by consecrating your life to her. You will find refuge in the coming storms if you open your heart to God and allow Him to guide you through them. Perhaps we should analyze less and pray more!

Through our prayers and fasting, we can help the Lord save many souls and even lessen the chastisements which seem inevitable due to the terrible sin which continues to prevail in this generation. Several people have said to me lately that they feel a strong urge to intercede for sinners. That too is a sign.

Do not be afraid. The Lord has given us glimpses of the peace and even joy which will sustain those who are in the Ark of Mary’s heart during these tribulations (read I Will Be Your Refuge). So you must trust and "rejoice always" as St. Paul says. But waste no time. Turn off the noise around you, examine your heart, confess any sin, and pray… pray, pray, pray. Place yourself in the Bastion, the fortress of the Rock, who is Christ. This is the time to watch, pray, and wait. If you do, you will know what to do when the time comes, for you will be able to hear it in the stillness of your heart. 

Jesus is coming in a special way. Not His ultimate and final glorious return in the flesh—not yet. But in a way which will change the course of history. Forever.

"Yes, I am coming soon." Amen! Come, Lord Jesus! (Rev 22:20)


48 posted on 05/13/2008 4:40:35 PM PDT by sandyeggo
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To: Pyro7480

BTTT!


49 posted on 05/13/2008 5:19:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pyro7480; All

The late Johnny Cash put it best in the song, “Goin By The Book”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnnTwyByui0


50 posted on 05/13/2008 7:40:11 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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