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HAGEE REGRETS OFFENDING CATHOLICS; CONTROVERSY ENDS
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights ^ | 13 May 2008 | Catholic League

Posted on 05/13/2008 11:45:37 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper

Pastor John Hagee sent a letter today [Copy Here] to Catholic League president Bill Donohue that effectively ends the dispute the two men have had. Donohue comments as follows:

“After weeks of meeting with various Catholic leaders, and accessing scholarly literature on Catholic-Jewish relations, Pastor John Hagee has demonstrated an improved understanding of the Catholic Church and its history. In his letter to me, Hagee says, ‘I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.’ He specifically cites his emphasis of ‘the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews,’ and has pledged to provide a more complete and balanced portrayal going forward that will not reinforce mischaracterizations of the Catholic Church. And while he stresses that his invocation of terms like ‘apostate church’ and the ‘great whore’ were never meant by him to describe the Catholic Church, he acknowledges that anti-Catholics have long employed such language.

“The tone of Hagee’s letter is sincere. He wants reconciliation and he has achieved it. Indeed, the Catholic League welcomes his apology. What Hagee has done takes courage and quite frankly I never expected him to demonstrate such sensitivity to our concerns. But he has done just that. Now Catholics, along with Jews, can work with Pastor Hagee in making interfaith relations stronger than ever. Whatever problems we had before are now history. This case is closed.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; apology; bigotry; catholic; christians; hagee; pastor; unity
Rev. Hagee's eyes have been opened through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. I have to give him credit for opening his heart and his change of heart. Bigotry of any kind wounds the soul.
1 posted on 05/13/2008 11:45:37 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
Good for him.

anyone have GOOD HONEST books on the Crusades and INQUISITION??

2 posted on 05/13/2008 11:50:28 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
During the same September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, Hagee said Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans for "a level of sin that was offensive to God."

I wonder if Hagee also believes that the people of Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri were also punished for their sins last week when they were devastated by tornados?

3 posted on 05/13/2008 12:01:36 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Ann Archy

Henry Kamen’s “The Spanish Inquisition.” sets the record straight. A scholarly work, not apologetics. He actually combed 250 years of files of the Inquisition. Norman Cantor, the medieval historian, is a Jew and very fair in his assessment of events.


4 posted on 05/13/2008 12:04:16 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: big'ol_freeper

This Catholic forgives Mr Hagee. I hope he will continue learning about the Church, warts and all.


5 posted on 05/13/2008 12:05:00 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Well met. Onward!


6 posted on 05/13/2008 12:05:33 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: trumandogz

Hyperbolic maybe, but not out of bounds, provided that we follow Lincoln’s advise about trying to read God’s will. I recall a Clint Eastwood movie. One character says.” He deserved to die.” To which the Eastwood character replies, “We all deserve it.”


7 posted on 05/13/2008 12:09:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Amen. Frankly I am astounded. Most of us change our minds only after we cross the threshold.


8 posted on 05/13/2008 12:12:10 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: RobbyS

So therefore, the people of New Orleans, Oklahoma, Missouri, China and Burma all deserve to die?


9 posted on 05/13/2008 12:12:10 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: big'ol_freeper
I read the letter.

Hagee didn't compromise any theological principles. He just apologized for some things he did say but should not have.

10 posted on 05/13/2008 12:13:20 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: trumandogz

We all deserve death, which is why it comes to all.


11 posted on 05/13/2008 12:16:25 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: Straight Vermonter

If he truly does, there will be another Catholic.


12 posted on 05/13/2008 12:35:03 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: big'ol_freeper
‘the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews,’

Now, when will he apologize to the Protestants?

13 posted on 05/13/2008 12:47:09 PM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: RobbyS

thanks.


14 posted on 05/13/2008 1:03:45 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: big'ol_freeper; All

Well, Hallelujah! This now, de-fangs, the poisonous, little, four-eyed, faggot, Keith Olbermann, who insisted (even as recently as the in the last 7 days) on continually refering to John Hagee as “John McCain’s Pastor”.

Whacha gonna do now Keithie? Huh? Hey, I have a great idea; why don’t you turn your venom on the Marxist, racist, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright? Nah; never happen will it Keithie? PUNK!!!


15 posted on 05/13/2008 1:07:41 PM PDT by no dems (Moderate me if you like; I'm NOT Politically Correct in the least. PC is Fascism.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I will believe his apology only if I never hear him adding another anti-Catholic joke to his Sunday worship services which are broadcast in San Antonio.


16 posted on 05/13/2008 1:11:05 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: RobbyS
The movie was “Unforgiven”. My all time favorite Western.

“Why you low life somebitch, you just shot yourself an unarmed man.” Little Bill (Gene Hackman)

“Well he best arm himself, if he is gonna decorate his place of business with my dead friend.” William Monie (Clint Eastwood).

That being said the “Apology” was a liberal “I regret that you took offense through a misunderstanding of what I said”.

17 posted on 05/13/2008 1:20:51 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: topcat54

Exactly. When does Dr. Luther get his apology?


18 posted on 05/13/2008 1:24:46 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (You going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?- Jose Wales)
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To: beer
"... quite frankly I never expected him to "

19 posted on 05/13/2008 1:29:42 PM PDT by evets (I have a crush on Hillary.)
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To: sockmonkey
Pastor Hagee needs to spend more time in the study of the Catholic faith. Whether he converts or remains as he is, he needs to understand the faith in the context of its place in time. To an illiterate population, the rosary is a wonderful memorization of the gospel, the stations of the cross are a reminder of what our Lord endured for our sake, the crucifix is the place where we all encounter Christ (from below on our knees). The Eucharist where the blessings the Master spoke at the Last Supper are placed, ingested and become a part of us (as he asked us to do).

If John Hagee or any other Christian can find fault with that, then they have a problem with Jesus. Whether, or not, they wish to practice that faith is entirely up to them, but I find it is the most enduring, beautiful legacy God could leave us until He comes again to walk with us in the cool of the day in the garden He meant for us.

20 posted on 05/13/2008 1:55:23 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
The man is saying that he is sorry for his statement, not that he has had a revelation that the Catholic church is the true church.
21 posted on 05/13/2008 2:25:10 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek
By the way, aren't you the little dickens that thought I was cruising for a fight on Jenna's wedding thread? I don't believe my post was to you and it seems you just don't like the cut of my jib. I'm sorry I took the time to reply.
22 posted on 05/13/2008 2:42:49 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: trumandogz
I wonder if Hagee also believes that the people of Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri were also punished for their sins last week when they were devastated by tornados?

Good question.

I wonder how he came to decide that he had so seriously misread scripture, but is on the right path now.

As it is, it looks like he (suddenly & conveniently) feel the need to back away from what he previously thought was true. Wonder why?

If he were my pastor, I'd surely ask him.

23 posted on 05/13/2008 3:46:36 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: RobbyS
"I recall a Clint Eastwood movie. One character says.” He deserved to die.” To which the Eastwood character replies, “We all deserve it.”

The movie was Unforgiven, and I think you have your scenes mixed up. At one point the kid refers to man he just killed and says "he had it coming" to which Clint replies, "We've all got it coming, kid". In another scene Gene Hackman has just been shot by Clint and is dying. He looks at Clint and says "I'm building a house, I don't deserve to die like this", Clint replies, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

24 posted on 05/13/2008 3:51:35 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
‘I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.’

That's not how to apologize. It puts the blame on the target rather than the shooter. A true apology admits the wrong and then asks or does what he can do to right the wrong.

He needs to point out his offensive words and say why they are wrong. Unless, of course, he doesn't think they are wrong. Anyone can say they are "sorry for anything offensive they said." That's a piece of cake.

25 posted on 05/13/2008 3:51:43 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Hagee didn’t say anything that hasn’t been standard Protestant dogma for almost 500 years.


26 posted on 05/13/2008 3:55:50 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: topcat54
Now, when will he apologize to the Protestants?

LOL!!! Probably about the same time the "great tribulation" happens. ;O)

27 posted on 05/13/2008 3:56:02 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: joebuck

He had it comin’ can mean he deserves it. But we do all die, so the last remark puts a more fatalistic spin on it. Have you forgotten the critics judgements that the pciture had an almost religious tone? Eastwood himself was puzzled, as he probably does not have a relgious bone in his body.


28 posted on 05/13/2008 3:57:31 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: RobbyS
"Have you forgotten the critics judgements that the pciture had an almost religious tone? Eastwood himself was puzzled, as he probably does not have a relgious bone in his body."

The religious undertones to the movie were pointed out by the title of the film. Just like the movie he made before that, "Pale Rider", a clear reference to Revelation 6:8 (KJV)

29 posted on 05/13/2008 4:01:34 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Tone matters. His conclusions are common currency in the Ivy league, but they don’t say it so crudely, and they don’t even pretend to apologize. T them the Church is their Bete Noir.


30 posted on 05/13/2008 4:01:49 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: joebuck

Nonetheless, Eastwood distanced himself from that during a long interview I saw. To be religious in Hollywood is to be beyond the pale, so even bg shots have to be careful.


31 posted on 05/13/2008 4:08:32 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
As far as I know, I have never replied to any post that you have made. I made one comment about Jenna's wedding to Montag813, Friday, 5/08 at 3:44 p.m. Post 19.

In fact, I don't even recognize your handle. I know nothing about the cut of your jib. I don't have a clue as to what your post was.

32 posted on 05/13/2008 4:13:48 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Ya know! I went back and checked your post. I have posted to you. I thought that we were just having a great conservation about the cost of wedding flowers. I can’t believe that you thought that I was knocking you around!


33 posted on 05/13/2008 4:20:58 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Ann Archy
I figure your joking; but just in case...

Harold Lamb “Of Iron Men and Saints” and “The Flame of Islam”, usually combined into one book “The Crusades”.

Also one of the best ever is “The Knights Templar” by Stephen Howarth. Best one chapter summary of the first crusade ever.

34 posted on 05/13/2008 4:33:44 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: allmendream

Why would I be joking?? Not getting that.


35 posted on 05/13/2008 5:36:42 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I have never been comfortable calling Hagee an “anti-catholic” in the first place, at least not in the way this term is generally used. The meaning usually intended seems to be that of bigotry, which certainly explains why apologies are needed. Hagee, and many like him, seem to have a theological or exigetical position contrary to the Catholic Church. That, in my view, is no more anti-catholic bigotry than is our denial of their positions. We in the Church should be more careful. I fear that the Catholic League is beginning to look too much like the ADL.


36 posted on 05/13/2008 6:04:21 PM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, nisi me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

You wrote:

“Rev. Hagee’s eyes have been opened through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. I have to give him credit for opening his heart and his change of heart. Bigotry of any kind wounds the soul.”

Amen to that! What Hagee did took a lot of courage and circumspection. I have a new found respect for him.


37 posted on 05/13/2008 6:42:58 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: joebuck; Right Wing Assault; HarleyD; Augustinian monk
Hagee didn’t say anything that hasn’t been standard Protestant dogma for almost 500 years.

On the contrary. Hagee is not so much interested in the historical theological differences between Protestants and Catholics. Just read his "apology" letter. Not one word of the gospel, and the distinctively RC take on the nature of salvation as formulated by Trent and beyond.

No, Hagee's shtick is purely "anti-semitism" as he defines it. Which means that anyone who disagrees with his odd dispensational take on end times events as they relate to Israel is, by definition, an anti-semite. This includes most Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox.

38 posted on 05/13/2008 8:55:43 PM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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To: big'ol_freeper
John Hagee once called the Roman church "the great whore." He also called the Roman church "apostate." But now that he's endorsed John McCain, Hagee is retracting all the mean things he said about the Roman church. The first and greatest evangelical political commandment is this: "Use your influence to get the right man elected." And the second is like it. "If it will help, apologize for all of the offensive things you said beforehand, even if those offensive things are truths deeply held." (Riddleblog)

39 posted on 05/14/2008 12:17:29 PM PDT by topcat54 ("The selling of bad beer is a crime against Christian love.")
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