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Religion Forum Guidelines Ecumenism
May 14, 2008 | Religion Moderator

Posted on 05/14/2008 9:06:42 AM PDT by Religion Moderator

In late April, markomalley and gamecock made a trial run at a “respectful dialog” category for threads on the Religion Forum. The trial failed due to the inability of the posters to agree on what is or is not “respectful.” Then in early May, several other posters appealed for the elimination of posts which seek to tear down other poster’s beliefs (iconoclasm.)

Meanwhile, the situation on the Religion Forum has been exacerbated by posters on the News/Activism forum inadvertently being exposed to religious debate as a result of choosing the “everything” option on browse instead of the “News/Activism” option.

If you are offended that conservatives have serious religious disagreements, do not use the “everything” browse option. If you are new to the Religion Forum, click on my profile page for guidelines.

In response to the pleas for a “respectful dialog” and/or the elimination of “iconoclasm” (attacks on other people’s beliefs) – I’m opening the floor for trial postings of a new type of semi-open thread which we shall call “ecumenic.”

Unlike the caucus threads, any poster could reply to an ecumenic thread. And the article on which an ecumenic thread is based could include contrasts and challenges of other beliefs. However, on the ecumenic thread, the poster must not argue against any other beliefs. He can only argue for what he believes – or ask questions.

While we test this new type of thread, be sure to tag every article so that posters will know when to avoid a thread. The tags during this trial run are “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” “ecumenic” or “open.”

Prayer threads are closed to debate of any kind.

Devotional threads are closed to debate of any kind.

Caucus threads are closed to any poster who is not a member of the caucus. If it says “Catholic Caucus” and you are not Catholic, do not post to the thread. However, if the poster of the caucus welcomes you, I will not boot you from the thread.

Ecumenic threads in this trial run are closed to all “anti” arguments. Posters who try to tear down other’s beliefs – or use subterfuge to accomplish the same goal – are the disrupters on ecumenic threads and will be booted from the thread and/or suspended.

Open threads are a town square – posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other's beliefs. They may ridicule, similar to the Smoky Backroom with the exception that a poster must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

When you see a post which is inappropriate for an ecumenic thread, ping me. Do not bother the Admin Moderators with an abuse report unless the situation requires immediate attention.


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1 posted on 05/14/2008 9:07:08 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Gamecock; markomalley; sitetest; Alex Murphy; sandyeggo; Judith Anne; pgkdan; trisham; ...

Ping


2 posted on 05/14/2008 9:08:24 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: greyfoxx39

FYI Ping, dude!


3 posted on 05/14/2008 9:16:42 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Religion Moderator

I like it. It gives people places to go with varying degree of discussion, and clearly defines who will be booted from where.


4 posted on 05/14/2008 9:19:18 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Religion Moderator
Soooo this means it's ok for me to start my long awaited
Ernest Angley 'Smack 'em in the forehead' thread?
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5 posted on 05/14/2008 9:23:13 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Religion Moderator
While we test this new type of thread, be sure to tag every article so that posters will know when to avoid a thread. The tags during this trial run are “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” “ecumenic” or “open.”

Where are these tags found? I have seen reference to them, but nobody has mentioned where they are located.

6 posted on 05/14/2008 9:24:04 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

THANKS TONS AND TONS for all your efforts and for the above.

I think that’s a long needed refinement.

The new thread category should be a worthy effort.

Congrats on God’s wisdom at work through you.

Prayers for JimRob concerning his leg and other medical complications these days.

Also . . . for Family A and Family B in their situations and needs.

And may The Lord Strengthen our beloved RM and all the mods working their hearts out in a job full of hassles and thanklessness in these challenging times.

Bless you all.


7 posted on 05/14/2008 9:25:41 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Coyoteman

One of the “tag” words must be used in the title of the thread. It may be enclosed in brackets, e.g. “[LDS Caucus]” - or it may be part of the title, e.g. “Prayer Thread for John Doe.”


8 posted on 05/14/2008 9:27:28 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Coyoteman

I think people just put them in the title of the thread when originally posting, and, if it’s later determined that the “tag” is inappropriate, it’s removed by the Moderator.

So, for example, you wanted to post an article with the title, “Pope visits ground zero” and you wanted it to be a Caucus thread, you’d make the title, “Pope visits ground zero (Caucus Thread)”.


9 posted on 05/14/2008 9:29:54 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Religion Moderator

Welcome back, RM! Sorry to hear of the family illness. IMO everyone behaved exceptionally well while you were gone.


10 posted on 05/14/2008 9:30:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank You. This is a wise decision. I for one, consider myself a tolerant Catholic who thinks that all Christians, regardless of differences in some aspects of theology or interpretation, are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Most of us agree on the non-negotiable aspects of the Christian faith-—The Holy Trinity, The Incarnation, the forgiveness of sins, regeneration of the soul through the blessing of The Holy Spirit, and eternal life.


11 posted on 05/14/2008 9:31:49 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Alex Murphy

Thank you!


12 posted on 05/14/2008 9:32:11 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Good, it’ll be a welcome change from some of the venom dripping posts I’ve read on some of these religion threads.


13 posted on 05/14/2008 9:33:50 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: Religion Moderator
Unlike the caucus threads, any poster could reply to an ecumenic thread. And the article on which an ecumenic thread is based could include contrasts and challenges of other beliefs. However, on the ecumenic thread, the poster must not argue against any other beliefs. He can only argue for what he believes – or ask questions.

This sounds like it may take some getting used to (especially for newcomers), but I think it could also be very beneficial.

Glad to see you back, I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

God Bless (Or whatever the preferred phrase is if you are an anonymous non-Christian RM :-) )

14 posted on 05/14/2008 9:38:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Religion Moderator
One of the “tag” words must be used in the title of the thread. It may be enclosed in brackets, e.g. “[LDS Caucus]” - or it may be part of the title, e.g. “Prayer Thread for John Doe.”

Ah, thanks. I was looking at topics and keywords and the like.

15 posted on 05/14/2008 9:38:55 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you!


16 posted on 05/14/2008 9:40:05 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

“If I knew God I’d be Him.”


17 posted on 05/14/2008 9:41:11 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ChurtleDawg; Religion Moderator
I for one, consider myself a tolerant Catholic who thinks that all Christians, regardless of differences in some aspects of theology or interpretation, are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Most of us agree on the non-negotiable aspects of the Christian faith-—The Holy Trinity, The Incarnation, the forgiveness of sins, regeneration of the soul through the blessing of The Holy Spirit, and eternal life.

Amen!

I know that there have been many times after I've been involved in one of the days-long, 1000+ post Catholic vs. Protestant debates I have to leave because I realize how resentful I'm becoming and I really don't like that feeling.

I'm not saying that we should all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but I think that we all need to recognize that on most issues we are in substantial agreement.

18 posted on 05/14/2008 9:42:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...

Ping


19 posted on 05/14/2008 9:46:39 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Plea to mormon FReepers, "DONT HOSE ME, BRO!")
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To: Religion Moderator
Open threads are a town square – posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other's beliefs. They may ridicule, similar to the Smoky Backroom with the exception that a poster must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

Thank you. This is an excellent idea. I for one rather enjoy, and have learned more from, completely open exchanges than the overly polite kissy kissy (perhaps phony) type.

It is a small group who are the constant "abuse button pushers" and they will quickly make themselves known.

20 posted on 05/14/2008 9:47:21 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: NYer; narses

Did you see this?


21 posted on 05/14/2008 9:51:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Religion Moderator
Whenever I log off my computer and then come back, it always opens up to the everything setting.
I then have to click on News, it doesn't automatically stay on news if I logged off while on the News forum.

Am I doing something wrong?

22 posted on 05/14/2008 9:51:55 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle

I’m not sure that ANYBODY has totally figured out the new system yet.


23 posted on 05/14/2008 9:54:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: JRochelle

Am I doing something wrong?

Yes, but I’m sure God knows what it is and will forgive you. :-)


24 posted on 05/14/2008 9:57:23 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Religion Moderator

Been here, done this. Found out that religious forums do NOT work, no matter what you do.

Good luck with that.

Check out the religious forums over on Anomalies.net for an example of what happened later.


25 posted on 05/14/2008 9:57:27 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: JRochelle; John Robinson
Whenever I log off my computer and then come back, it always opens up to the everything setting.

That may be part of the problem.
26 posted on 05/14/2008 9:57:49 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
Caucus threads are closed to any poster who is not a member of the caucus. If it says “Catholic Caucus” and you are not Catholic, do not post to the thread. However, if the poster of the caucus welcomes you, I will not boot you from the thread.

Does this mean that you can now have closed caucuses for people who are "Ex-Catholic" "Ex-Protestant" "Ex-Mormon" or"Ex-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster", whatever, to discuss such things as "Why I don't believe in the Great Spaghetti Monster Anymore"?

27 posted on 05/14/2008 10:02:35 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Religion Moderator

” He can only argue for what he believes – or ask questions.”

Arguing for what one believes is very good. Too many arguments are not so much what one believes but why one doesn’t believe tenets from another’s faith.

How is asking questions to be moderated? There are certainly loaded questions that would lead to flame wars, i.e., “why don’t you think you are a devil worshipping idolater whose leader is probably the Anti-Christ?”


28 posted on 05/14/2008 10:07:33 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Internet Torquemada of FR. Trip over yourself at your own risk. I don't answer some posts)
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To: Religion Moderator; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; ...
However, on the ecumenic thread, the poster must not argue against any other beliefs. He can only argue for what he believes

Respectfully, this "new thread" classification in effect nullifies the very purpose for the Reformation.

If a Catholic thread is posted saying "Mary is the co-Redeemer" (as there have been many already) how is a Protestant supposed to reply with anything other than by the negative "No, Mary is NOT a 'co-redeemer' because according to the Bible, there is ONE only propitiation for our sins, ONE mediator between God and men, ONE Redeemer, Jesus Christ?"

My belief is against that belief. It cannot be otherwise. And what the Catholic doesn't realize is that saying "Mary is a co-redeemer" is offensive to me because we are both considered Christians and yet as a Christian I do not believe that in any way. In fact, that sentence repels me.

Rules like this simply defy the last 500 years of religious history.

Additionally, this "new kind of thread" appears to reward posters who refused to learn how to post within the FR religion forum guidelines. Whining while "making it personal" apparently can pay off.

It seems that the failed "respectful thread" designation has simply morphed into the "ecumenic thread" designation, only this time the penalty for protesting error will be more severe.

29 posted on 05/14/2008 10:08:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe
Does this mean that you can now have closed caucuses for people who are "Ex-Catholic" "Ex-Protestant" "Ex-Mormon" or"Ex-Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster", whatever, to discuss such things as "Why I don't believe in the Great Spaghetti Monster Anymore"?

Or does it just mean there is one more "protected" class?

Also, if the RM makes a call on content, what's to stop another mod from coming along later and reversing or changing that call?

30 posted on 05/14/2008 10:08:52 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Plea to mormon FReepers, "DONT HOSE ME, BRO!")
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To: P-Marlowe
No, a Caucus thread must not compare beliefs or speak for others beliefs, e.g. "ex" whatever.

An "ex" thread can however be posted as Ecumenic, but do not use mocking terms in the tag.

31 posted on 05/14/2008 10:08:52 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: OpusatFR

Loading questions in an ecumenic thread is a disruption and the poster will be booted and/or suspended.


32 posted on 05/14/2008 10:10:25 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: P-Marlowe
IMO the more we divide the forum into sub-categories it will eventually devolve into chaos.

Want to take bets that six months from now the "Town Square" dsignation will be dropped entirely as being "too disruptive?"

33 posted on 05/14/2008 10:15:38 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The open threads are the proper format for arguing against others' beliefs.

If a Catholic thread is posted saying "Mary is the co-Redeemer" (as there have been many already) how is a Protestant supposed to reply with anything other than by the negative "No, Mary is NOT a 'co-redeemer' because according to the Bible, there is ONE only propitiation for our sins, ONE mediator between God and men, ONE Redeemer, Jesus Christ?"

You would reply in the "for" - using the last part of your example:

According to the Bible, which I believe is the final authority, there is ONE propitiation for our sins, ONE mediator between God and men, ONE Redeemer, Jesus Christ.


34 posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:28 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
However, on the ecumenic thread, the poster must not argue against any other beliefs. He can only argue for what he believes – or ask questions.

I vow to give it my very best effort whenever taking part.

Always for, never against....very clever.

35 posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:48 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: OpusatFR; P-Marlowe
How is asking questions to be moderated? There are certainly loaded questions that would lead to flame wars,

LOL. Well, we'll have to have various sub-sets of questions and we'll have to decide which questions are respectful and which are not.

Good luck with that???

36 posted on 05/14/2008 10:17:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Religion Moderator
No, a Caucus thread must not compare beliefs or speak for others beliefs, e.g. "ex" whatever.

How about a "Calvinist" caucus open only to Calvinists. Or a "Reformed Caucus" or a GRPL Caucus open only to those who have applied for and been accepted on the GRPL list?

37 posted on 05/14/2008 10:19:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: JRochelle

You’re doing better than me. I would gladly choose news only...if I knew where it was. :p

I’ve searched all my links in my account.

Help me......


38 posted on 05/14/2008 10:19:53 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; xzins; P-Marlowe; ...
Respectfully, this "new thread" classification in effect nullifies the very purpose for the Reformation

I've been saying the same thing for a long time: the Reformation is intrinsically a negative movement built in opposition to the Catholic Church and incapable of standing on its own.

39 posted on 05/14/2008 10:20:42 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Religion Moderator
Loading questions in an ecumenic thread is a disruption and the poster will be booted and/or suspended.

Suspended for asking questions?

I don't envy you your job.

40 posted on 05/14/2008 10:20:48 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; greyfoxx39

Or every individual just post their very own caucus thread and talk to themselves, then you’ll be safe


41 posted on 05/14/2008 10:21:24 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Religion Moderator
Open threads are a town square – posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind.

Can I repost my "Hollow Earth Thread" which was pulled?

And could you unlock my Hare Krisha Moon-Landing Fraud thread?

42 posted on 05/14/2008 10:22:07 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Calvinist, Reformed, GRPL, etc. are all free to caucus. Remember the Caucus Threads must not compare beliefs or speak in behalf of others’ beliefs.


43 posted on 05/14/2008 10:22:12 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Politicalmom

On the “browse by forum” to the right of the main screens, select News/Activism.


44 posted on 05/14/2008 10:24:02 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>If a Catholic thread is posted saying “Mary is the co-Redeemer” (as there have been many already) how is a Protestant supposed to reply with anything other than by the negative “No, Mary is NOT a ‘co-redeemer’ because according to the Bible, there is ONE only propitiation for our sins, ONE mediator between God and men, ONE Redeemer, Jesus Christ?”

My belief is against that belief. It cannot be otherwise. And what the Catholic doesn’t realize is that saying “Mary is a co-redeemer” is offensive to me because we are both considered Christians and yet as a Christian I do not believe that in any way. In fact, that sentence repels me<<

I guess we all have to be a little less repelled, don’t we?


45 posted on 05/14/2008 10:24:36 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Religion Moderator
You would reply in the "for" - using the last part of your example: According to the Bible, which I believe is the final authority, there is ONE propitiation for our sins, ONE mediator between God and men, ONE Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

So on an ecumenic thread, we could not preface that comment with "No, Mary is not a co-redeemer because...?"

Because sometimes that phrase is simply used to redefine the discussion when replying to a post from a few days earlier.

46 posted on 05/14/2008 10:24:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: netmilsmom

By the grace of God, no, we don’t.


47 posted on 05/14/2008 10:26:36 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe

I will not unlock or restore pulled threads because many of them devolved in childish behavior. If you repost a confrontational thread be sure and tag it either “ecumenic” or “open” depending on the type of posts you would like to encourage.


48 posted on 05/14/2008 10:26:55 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

So there is no way to simply filter certain topics out of “Latest Posts”?


49 posted on 05/14/2008 10:27:47 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You know how to cut and paste. Cut and paste a quote and then you don’t have to redefine. Like this...

>>Because sometimes that phrase is simply used to redefine the discussion when replying to a post from a few days earlier.<<

Then reply. It’s not hard.

I really like this “only positive” idea!


50 posted on 05/14/2008 10:27:51 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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