Why are you stirring the pot?
Do you want to join our cable?
You have to prove worthiness first.
Posted on 05/16/2008 8:32:53 AM PDT by MizSterious
May 16, 2008 —
The recent raid on Warren Jeffs' Yearning for Zion ranch in Eldorado, Texas, which resulted in the removal of more than 400 children from their homes, has thrust allegations of widespread child abuse at the polygamous sect into the national spotlight.
But one of the darkest secrets of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints unfolds at a seedy roadside motel in the remote Nevada desert, where underage girls --some as young as 14 --are allegedly forced through hasty and secret wedding ceremonies.
Elissa Wall says she was one such 14-year-old who was taken to the motel and plunged into wedlock with no choice but to accept and obey the command of Jeffs.
Sam Brower, a private detective who has spent five years investigating Jeffs and his sect for a number of former members, says the weddings are done "covertly, real cloak-and-dagger like."
Wall, now 21, told ABC News' John Quinones that, "I was trapped. I felt like I had nowhere to turn. I did not want to go through with this marriage. I felt, honestly, what it was like to die."
Watch the story tonight on "20/20" at 10 ET
Wall has documented her terrible ordeal in a new memoir called "Stolen Innocence."
In it, she described in detail growing up in the sect that she says betrayed her faith. She says her wedding was the culmination of a traumatic experience that began when church leaders removed her, her mom and sisters from their family and reassigned them to. . .
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
bttt
Well soneone needs to go to jail.
A note for all you liberals here, Ruth Bader Ginsburg appointed Bill Clinton to the SCOTUS once wrote a paper advocating lowering the age of consent for sex between an adult and a minor to 11 years old.
A note to all those who address liberals here and don’t name them, RBG did not appoint BFC to the SCOTUS.
FYI only. Not a daily thread, nor a daily thread ping.
A riveting story, Miz. And it was so satisfying to read how this young woman overcame a nightmare life and is now happily married.
If you would use punctuation and critical words, your posts might make more sense.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, appointed by Bill Clinton to the SCOTUS, once wrote a paper
Ping
Sorry I just received this new cell phone and between the little keys and screen, and of course not proofing.
my bad
Naw. It can’t be. You mean there’s trouble in that idyllic paradise that existed in Warren Jeffs group?
She must just have an axe to grind.
President Hillary might appoint Bill to the S.C.
“Innocence” isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be.
Truely a sick and disgusting cult. Sad that among some peopple, and some people here the government is made out to be the bad guys.
Are you mocking the case of what was a 14 year old rape victim assigned to the rape by her "religious" leader and condoned by her cult?
The husband in this case wasn’t Jeffs, but another teenager.
““Innocence” isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be.””
“Are you mocking the case of what was a 14 year old rape victim assigned to the rape by her “religious” leader and condoned by her cult?”
I’m just sayin.
MizSterious
May I direct your post to Greyfoxxes post #8, where he pings the anti Mormon Cabal members?
Are you still going to deny the connection? LOL
Why you would deny something that is so obvious is a mystery to me. Why are you ashamed of the connection? I think I know :)
This rape is the practice that has drawn so much heat on the cult from Utah, Arizona, Canada, and Texas. It is this 'unique' practice that everyone defends as the "religious freedom" of the cult. Jeffs conviction in this case was not because he was the man doing the rape, that man the "husband" is scheduled for trial, it is because he was the cults leader assigning this little rape ceremony.
Spit it out, we really don’t know what you are saying.
First of all, why are you stalking me from thread to thread with your nonsense?
Second, did I say I was ashamed of anything here? I just asked him to go ahead and say just who he was talking about. For one thing, I do NOT go “from thread to thread” and “spend the rest of the day bashing Mormons” as he states. In fact, please find ONE thread where I “bash Mormons.” And as for “spending the rest of the day” etc., I did spend a lot of time on the dailies. I do NOT spend much time now that I no longer do them. Go ahead, try to prove otherwise. You’ll be sadly disappointed.
Arranged marriages are part of major religions all over the world. Many are consumated very young. We do not imprison Saudis who bring their wives here and we do not punish Hindus who return to India for their brides, having never met them, and bring them back here. Two teenagers getting married is not in and of itself rape if it is consentual.
Jeffs was prosecuted because he was a polygamist and they couldn’t punish him for it, so they looked for a different charge.
On thread after thread this morning I see you pro cult guys, dragging in the word Mormon.
Explain further. I do not have a clue as to what you are talking about.
If I get “pinged” so what, really what has that got to do with anything regarding this thread information?
Elissa was key in bringing down Warren Jeffs —her story is told in detail in this book —it’s a heartbreaking read and you get a good idea of what a pervert Jeffs is:
When Men Become Gods: Mormon Polygamist Warren Jeffs, His Cult of Fear, and the Women Who Fought Back by Stephen Singular (Hardcover - April 21, 2008)
This is FR we don't buy your multicultural cesspool We Are the World BS, this is America.
As far as you defending Jeffs for being an accomplice in this rape, how do you account for all of the other recent convictions for these "arranged" sex crimes against other FLDS men?
I don't know who "they" are but Jeffs isn't finished yet, now he is being tried in Arizona and there may be more to come from Texas.
"They" have been trying to stop this cults sick practices since the 1930s. The feds have raided them, Utah has raided them, Arizona has raided them, Texas has raided them, and Canada is considering raiding them.
Thanks for the “cabal” ping!
If Mormons want to read about real persecution around the world, go to worthynews.com —persecution of Christians abounds around the world:
• Zimbabwe Christians Facing Famine And Persecution, Aid Workers Say
Added: 05.14.2008 04:49
• Algeria: Christian Sentenced for Carrying Bible
Added: 05.12.2008 04:00
• Bangladesh: Pastor's 13-Year Old Daughter Gang-Raped
Added: 05.09.2008 07:42
• Christian Villagers “Expelled” In Bhutan; Missionaries Concerned
Added: 05.08.2008 08:58
• India Missionaries Facing “Death Threats” In Maharashtra State
Added: 05.08.2008 08:56
• Indonesia: Islamists Threaten to Tear Down Church
Added: 05.08.2008 08:55 And those are only one day's worth of news stories. It doesn't cross the radar in the mainstream media --
They do LOTS of things in other countries that we don't allow here. Should we allow them ALL here, just because they do it in some 3rd world h*ll-hole? How about honor killings? Maybe beheadings? What the heck, let's just have a free for all: if you can find something that's done in another country, just have at it. US laws don't matter--we are the world, right?
(Shaking head in disbelief....)
Note: not my sister!!
Well, since you like to use this term frequently, I have dubbed you with your own honored title, Sir LeGrande, our galliant ex-Mormon, self-proclaimed atheist:
You are hereby dubbed, "First Presidency and Leading General Authority, All-Seeing Seer and Ground-Level Revelator of the X.M.A.A.M. P.A.T.R.O.L." *
* X.M.A.A.M. P.A.T.R.O.L. = X-Mormon Atheists Anti-Mormon Personages Appearing To Restorationists On (the) Loose
(Wow! You get your own personal title with an "anti" word in it since you freely claim to be "against" Mormon divine "personages!")
Of course, we don't want to just bequeath upon you some mere academic, honorary title with no teeth. Therefore, FastCoyote, revelator of FReeper revelators, will make a "personage appearance unto you," and equip you with your own XMAAM PATROL peep stone! [We also suggest that you set up your own personal magic decoder peep stone codebook, possibly to be called LeGrande's Doctrine & Covenants]
With your known and highly notorious communication skills already evident, we cannot wait to read your "scriptural" equivalency revelations post-peep stone!
(Could we please have some 'attaboys! to Sir LeGrande!)
Why are you stirring the pot?
Do you want to join our cable?
You have to prove worthiness first.
Ok, if Elissa WERE your sister, would you be her brother or sister?
(I’m going to get an answer to this one way or another!! LOL)
No one else will play with him!
What’s your problem?
I have it on good authority that “F”lds has nothing to do with mormonism.
Why are you talking about mormons on an flds thread, anyway?
YES!
You’re just mean.
*Sob*
I am sorry, the subject was the ping list your name is on. I thought it was proper net etiquette to ping the people we were talking about.
What’s your beef? This is a public forum. Greyfoxx can ping any bunch of people he wants to any thread that’s pertinent to his ping list.
If I thought this was relevant to homeschoolers, I’d ping the homeschool pings lists myself.
It doesn’t mean that there’s some kind of conspiracy involved here.
Yeah, right. I'm 55 and still have emotional scars from things done to me as a child. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Why are you talking about mormons on an flds thread, anyway?
I wasn't. Ask MizSterious not me.
Read the posts and it will become clear. The problem is that the FLDS threads are infested with the same anti Mormon Cabal members who do attack the Mormons. They regard the FLDS And the Mormons as essentially the same.
What is Wanted?
Does it have a name?
Bow your head and say “yes”.....
So what? That's so totally irrelevant to the laws in the state of Texas.
It doesn't matter where else it's legal, how it's practiced, when it was practiced, why it was practiced, who practiced it, whether it was your grandmother, your sister, the Pope's sister, the Queen of England, whatever..... if it's against the law where you live, you are guilty of breaking the law and can be legally punished for it.
Good for Texas for upholding their laws.
Com’on LeGrande —let’s be honest here.
If the GAs in SLC had spoken out time and again about the polygamous sects that infest Utah, Arizona, Idaho and Canada, then maybe they wouldn’t exist. They have more clout that the AG of Utah —yet they are silent and they’ve allowed this to grow until it can’t be covered up any longer.
Most of the GAs have polygamous backgrounds; heck, two of the current apostles, Oaks and Nelson, have been temple sealed to their second wives —which makes them polygamous since the sealings to their first wives is not voided.
pigeons....roost....you know the rest —
“They have been given carte blanche to “hose down the pigs” and call people “buttholes” and “cabals” etc. without reprimand.”
While a church may have a local person of authority like a pastor, reverend, etc. who might discuss inappropriate name calling with a chil member of teh congregation, that the Mormons would have a “cabal” dealing with bad mouthing anyone strikes me as superb satire.
Jonathan? Jonathon Swift, is that your shade posting on FR?
;-)
[The problem is that the FLDS threads are infested with the same anti Mormon Cabal members who do attack the Mormons.]
Of course, the “hose down the pigs” threads and now the Ecumenical threads are only “infested” with the delightsome and wholesome - no cabal there!
“They regard the FLDS And the Mormons as essentially the same. “
Well, since all their doctrine come from Joseph Smith, and their books are the same, and they both can trace their lineage back through Brigham Young to Joseph Smith, only a mass spinner could conclude they are NOT “essentially the same”.
Most would call protestants and Catholics “essentially the same”, but in order to avoid logical consistency, you must ignore the essence that grey squirrels and red squirrels are - squirrels. So, FLDS and LDS have nothing in common? Hoooey, that is a stretch now isn’t it.
Are you still going to deny the connection?
I'm on that list and only wish that my screen name wasn't after the ............
I'm not "anti mormon" but pro truth, which would be, anti mormonism.
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