Skip to comments.Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]
Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom
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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<
Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.
Yes, no question.
Without a doubt. What I disagree with is the system. God has his lambs in every denomination.
Yes without reservation.
Are you Protestant?
>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<
That’s ten Hail Marys for you, naughty boy!
I get called the former two far more often around here than the latter two. Consider it quid pro quo.
LOL, he hit me first, mama....
If you have to call it that yes. I prefer Bible believing Christian.
I stand on the side that says if one holds to be true all that the Catholic Church teaches then one has attained the fullness of faith. Anything less is one degree or another of a defective faith, no matter how earnestly held.
I also believe that events and beliefs that have led Christians to a falling away from the Catholic Church are the work of the deceiver of men and are further injuries to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
Having said that, I consider those in the separated churches to be Christians by virtue of their baptisms and the limited truths they hold and adhere to.
Or, better yet, are non catholics going to heaven?
That's not my quote.
Because of the necessity for personal, vital faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... Protestants don’t even necessarily consider Protestants to be Christians.
But to the point of your question, most Protestants would freely acknowledge the presence of many true believers in Christ among Roman Catholics.
Many would add, though, that these are saved in spite of Catholic teaching on salvation and in partial contradiction to it.
No. There were no Christians from the time Peter found the Church to the time Martin Luther found a hammer. Then poof, there were suddenly Christians again. Protestant magic.
Incredible. The Catholic Church saved Western Civilization.
Is no your answer, or are you answering for them?
Although we question the correctness of your theology (sometimes even using the “H” word), as you do ours, and think that your connection to the Church is defective, Catholics would never question the fact that Protestants are indeed Christians.
We differ on points of doctrine and the authority of Scripture vs. the doctrines of men, the infallibility of the Magesterium, Marian doctrines, etc, but we all adhere to the concept of the Trinity and belief in the basics of the Christian faith found in the Apostle's Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed.
Yes, but on the flip side many Catholics don’t consider us Protestants saved.
Individual Catholics can't even be sure if they're going to Heaven - why should they offer us non-Catholics any greater assurance than they have for themselves?
Thanks, you just reminded me why I don’t belong on one of these threads.
It's all a guy can do to keep up with who he's soft on.
I am soft on the Buddhists in fact ~
This becomes an emotional issue, so let me just say that IF Catholic dogmas and doctrines were false then they would have to be the work of Satan because he is the father of falsehood.
In the same way, if Catholic dogmas and doctrines are true then anything that goes against those dogmas and doctrines are the work of Satan also for the same reason.
That is not to put the label of satanic on the adherents of the defective faith, it is just a fact that Satan deceives.
I fully believe the Catholic Church holds the fullness of faith.
Was that the truth the Catholics taught in 1600's or the ones they teach now.
If you keep slinging mud in their faces what do you expect?
I think that's an oversimplification. I'd say, from my personal understanding, that given the sanctifying grace available in the Sacraments, its potentially easier for Catholics to enter eternal life than for Protestants. But the Catholic Church doesn't deny that Protestants do go to Heaven.
Yes, indeed. Catholicss are Christian. Many Catholics are bible believing, just as are the Protestants. God knows who truly believes in him or not, and it is he, who will divide the sheep from the goats.
One in the same.
Are the enemy to be killed? Concentrated in camps? Reduced to servile status?
Please explain why Catholics are your enemy.
As if Catholic teaching on the matter has changed! By the way, it hasn't.
B-16 said protestants are not “true” Christians.
But as true Christians we turn the other cheek.
Along those lines, an honest question here (for Petrosius or any of our Catholic posters) ... can (post-baptismal) mortal sin be removed from the soul without confession to a Catholic priest and/or other rites of the Church?
The “enemy” referred to is the Devil, and she was quoting someone else.
That is a quote.
Without question I do. And there are certain aspects of Catholic theology and practice that I find superior to those of my own faith. Catholocism, despite all of its dogma and official trappings, remains more contemplative on the whole, I believe, than most Protestant denominations. I find the spiritual experience of mass to be far more reverent and do attend on occasions.
That said, I can’t accept the Catholic Church and all of its beliefs as a whole, so I’d have a hard time converting. There are a few lagging issues that keep me where I am as a Presbyterian.
But yes, Catholics are absolutely 100% Christian. And any Christian who would limit the words of John 3:16 more than they are in a literal translation is someone who I have far greater theological differences with than I’ve ever had with the Catholic Church.
You simply assume these scary Greek words to mean something worse than the latter two. In fact, "anathemized" means separated and "heretic" means defective (in essence if not lexically). Had you not been Christian, and therefore brethren, neither "anathema" or "heretic" would apply to you.
By what definition of 'changed' do you base that on? Cahtolic teachings have changed drastically over time.
I'm a Protestant and I do. I just disagree with the Catholic Church on certain points of theology.
There you go! :^)
That wasn't what was said.
Anyway, Fur Shur the Islamofascists would have no difficulty selecting which heads to chop off.
Worthy of note John Smith of Jamestown fame, was a well-known Protestant. He was taken prisoner fighting in an army drawn up to protect Europe from the Turks then trying to expand their domains in the Balkans.
I think that's when Protestants and Catholics in Europe first figured out that they were going to have to defend Christendom even if they didn't like each other. The Treaty of Westphalia had, of course, seen them agree to stay out of each other's hair.
Anyway, John Smith was selected by the Virginia Company to be the Governor of Jamestown colony precisely because he could speak fluent Turkish. In those days it was believed Turkish was commonly spoken along the East Coast. Fact was the Spanish had been running a POW camp for prisoners seized in their wars against the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean. Many such prisoners were actually Orthodox Christians ~ they regularly escaped from the Spanish POW camp and fled up the coast to live with Indians. Odds are good that Turkish was commonly spoken on the East Coast in those days.
Now, is there some sort of dispute going on between the RCs and the Protestants? One would hope not.
Are you sure he said that? Can you show me where? I googled it. BTW, I know what he said.
Best Atheists in the world, IMHO!