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Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]
5/16/08 | me

Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom

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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
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1 posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom
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To: Judith Anne; markomalley; narses; Petronski; sandyeggo

ping


2 posted on 05/16/2008 3:20:15 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom

Yes, no question.


3 posted on 05/16/2008 3:21:23 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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bump!


4 posted on 05/16/2008 3:22:14 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Without a doubt. What I disagree with is the system. God has his lambs in every denomination.


5 posted on 05/16/2008 3:24:00 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: netmilsmom

Yes without reservation.


6 posted on 05/16/2008 3:25:25 PM PDT by DManA
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To: vpintheak

Are you Protestant?


7 posted on 05/16/2008 3:25:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alex Murphy

>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

That’s ten Hail Marys for you, naughty boy!

;)


8 posted on 05/16/2008 3:25:51 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: netmilsmom
Are Protestants "anathemized", “heretics”, “defective Christians”, or “separated brethren”?

I get called the former two far more often around here than the latter two. Consider it quid pro quo.

9 posted on 05/16/2008 3:26:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL, he hit me first, mama....


10 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:23 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: trisham

If you have to call it that yes. I prefer Bible believing Christian.


11 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:27 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: netmilsmom

I stand on the side that says if one holds to be true all that the Catholic Church teaches then one has attained the fullness of faith. Anything less is one degree or another of a defective faith, no matter how earnestly held.

I also believe that events and beliefs that have led Christians to a falling away from the Catholic Church are the work of the deceiver of men and are further injuries to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

Having said that, I consider those in the separated churches to be Christians by virtue of their baptisms and the limited truths they hold and adhere to.


12 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:27 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: Alex Murphy

Or, better yet, are non catholics going to heaven?


13 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:30 PM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: netmilsmom
Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians?

I do.

14 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:46 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: netmilsmom

no


15 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:55 PM PDT by ChibisHologram
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To: Enosh
That’s ten Hail Marys for you, naughty boy!

That's not my quote.

16 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: netmilsmom

Because of the necessity for personal, vital faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ... Protestants don’t even necessarily consider Protestants to be Christians.

But to the point of your question, most Protestants would freely acknowledge the presence of many true believers in Christ among Roman Catholics.

Many would add, though, that these are saved in spite of Catholic teaching on salvation and in partial contradiction to it.


17 posted on 05/16/2008 3:28:55 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: netmilsmom

No. There were no Christians from the time Peter found the Church to the time Martin Luther found a hammer. Then poof, there were suddenly Christians again. Protestant magic.


18 posted on 05/16/2008 3:29:45 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: vpintheak

Thanks!


19 posted on 05/16/2008 3:29:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom; A.A. Cunningham

Incredible. The Catholic Church saved Western Civilization.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 3:29:48 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: ChibisHologram

Is no your answer, or are you answering for them?


21 posted on 05/16/2008 3:31:04 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Alex Murphy

Although we question the correctness of your theology (sometimes even using the “H” word), as you do ours, and think that your connection to the Church is defective, Catholics would never question the fact that Protestants are indeed Christians.


22 posted on 05/16/2008 3:31:22 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: netmilsmom
As a Protestant, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, my answer is yes, I consider (as I think most Protestants do) Catholics to be Christians.

We differ on points of doctrine and the authority of Scripture vs. the doctrines of men, the infallibility of the Magesterium, Marian doctrines, etc, but we all adhere to the concept of the Trinity and belief in the basics of the Christian faith found in the Apostle's Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed.

23 posted on 05/16/2008 3:31:51 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: netmilsmom

Yes, but on the flip side many Catholics don’t consider us Protestants saved.


24 posted on 05/16/2008 3:31:52 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: chadwimc
Or, better yet, are non catholics going to heaven?

Individual Catholics can't even be sure if they're going to Heaven - why should they offer us non-Catholics any greater assurance than they have for themselves?

25 posted on 05/16/2008 3:32:05 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: netmilsmom
Absolutely. I disagree with many of the teaching of the RC Church but as the Church believes in the three great creeds of Christianity, I consider Catholics as Christians.
The question should be framed: do Roman Catholics consider Protestants as Christians?
26 posted on 05/16/2008 3:33:04 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: big'ol_freeper; netmilsmom

Thanks, you just reminded me why I don’t belong on one of these threads.


27 posted on 05/16/2008 3:33:13 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Alex Murphy
You can be a heretic only if you used to be one of whatever it is says you are a heretic. I'm accused by many Protestants of being too soft on the Catholics, and by many Mormons of being too soft on the Gentiles.

It's all a guy can do to keep up with who he's soft on.

I am soft on the Buddhists in fact ~

28 posted on 05/16/2008 3:34:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: netmilsmom

This becomes an emotional issue, so let me just say that IF Catholic dogmas and doctrines were false then they would have to be the work of Satan because he is the father of falsehood.

In the same way, if Catholic dogmas and doctrines are true then anything that goes against those dogmas and doctrines are the work of Satan also for the same reason.

That is not to put the label of satanic on the adherents of the defective faith, it is just a fact that Satan deceives.

I fully believe the Catholic Church holds the fullness of faith.


29 posted on 05/16/2008 3:34:53 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: big'ol_freeper
I stand on the side that says if one holds to be true all that the Catholic Church teaches then one has attained the fullness of faith.

Was that the truth the Catholics taught in 1600's or the ones they teach now.

30 posted on 05/16/2008 3:34:53 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Alex Murphy

If you keep slinging mud in their faces what do you expect?


31 posted on 05/16/2008 3:34:53 PM PDT by Radl
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To: Always Right
Yes, but on the flip side many Catholics don’t consider us Protestants saved.

I think that's an oversimplification. I'd say, from my personal understanding, that given the sanctifying grace available in the Sacraments, its potentially easier for Catholics to enter eternal life than for Protestants. But the Catholic Church doesn't deny that Protestants do go to Heaven.

32 posted on 05/16/2008 3:35:02 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: chadwimc

Yes, indeed. Catholicss are Christian. Many Catholics are bible believing, just as are the Protestants. God knows who truly believes in him or not, and it is he, who will divide the sheep from the goats.


33 posted on 05/16/2008 3:35:37 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Always Right

One in the same.


34 posted on 05/16/2008 3:35:55 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: netmilsmom
I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy.

Are the enemy to be killed? Concentrated in camps? Reduced to servile status?

Please explain why Catholics are your enemy.

35 posted on 05/16/2008 3:36:37 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Always Right
Was that the truth the Catholics taught in 1600's or the ones they teach now.

As if Catholic teaching on the matter has changed! By the way, it hasn't.

36 posted on 05/16/2008 3:36:39 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: netmilsmom

B-16 said protestants are not “true” Christians.

But as true Christians we turn the other cheek.


37 posted on 05/16/2008 3:36:52 PM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: Petrosius
Catholics would never question the fact that Protestants are indeed Christians.

Along those lines, an honest question here (for Petrosius or any of our Catholic posters) ... can (post-baptismal) mortal sin be removed from the soul without confession to a Catholic priest and/or other rites of the Church?

38 posted on 05/16/2008 3:36:54 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Jacquerie

The “enemy” referred to is the Devil, and she was quoting someone else.


39 posted on 05/16/2008 3:37:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Jacquerie

That is a quote.


40 posted on 05/16/2008 3:38:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Without question I do. And there are certain aspects of Catholic theology and practice that I find superior to those of my own faith. Catholocism, despite all of its dogma and official trappings, remains more contemplative on the whole, I believe, than most Protestant denominations. I find the spiritual experience of mass to be far more reverent and do attend on occasions.

That said, I can’t accept the Catholic Church and all of its beliefs as a whole, so I’d have a hard time converting. There are a few lagging issues that keep me where I am as a Presbyterian.

But yes, Catholics are absolutely 100% Christian. And any Christian who would limit the words of John 3:16 more than they are in a literal translation is someone who I have far greater theological differences with than I’ve ever had with the Catholic Church.


41 posted on 05/16/2008 3:38:55 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Alex Murphy
Are Protestants "anathemized", “heretics”, “defective Christians”, or “separated brethren”?

You simply assume these scary Greek words to mean something worse than the latter two. In fact, "anathemized" means separated and "heretic" means defective (in essence if not lexically). Had you not been Christian, and therefore brethren, neither "anathema" or "heretic" would apply to you.

42 posted on 05/16/2008 3:39:22 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Pyro7480
As if Catholic teaching on the matter has changed! By the way, it hasn't.

By what definition of 'changed' do you base that on? Cahtolic teachings have changed drastically over time.

43 posted on 05/16/2008 3:40:22 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: netmilsmom
Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians?

I'm a Protestant and I do. I just disagree with the Catholic Church on certain points of theology.

44 posted on 05/16/2008 3:40:49 PM PDT by Huntress (Barack Obama--Not just another empty suit.)
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To: vpintheak; All
Without a doubt. What I disagree with is the system. God has his lambs in every denomination.

There you go! :^)

45 posted on 05/16/2008 3:41:06 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jacquerie
Please explain why Catholics are your enemy.

That wasn't what was said.

46 posted on 05/16/2008 3:41:21 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
Feel free to ask any Catholic here on your "lagging issues", and check the recent series of conversion threads I ran. This is the last: Catholic Mariology, Authority, and Various Other Qualms of Protestants Considering Conversion.
47 posted on 05/16/2008 3:42:08 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Oliver Optic
The only big difference between the RC and the (general) Protestant approach is the ecclesiastical structures. The moral teachings are pretty doggone similar.

Anyway, Fur Shur the Islamofascists would have no difficulty selecting which heads to chop off.

Worthy of note John Smith of Jamestown fame, was a well-known Protestant. He was taken prisoner fighting in an army drawn up to protect Europe from the Turks then trying to expand their domains in the Balkans.

I think that's when Protestants and Catholics in Europe first figured out that they were going to have to defend Christendom even if they didn't like each other. The Treaty of Westphalia had, of course, seen them agree to stay out of each other's hair.

Anyway, John Smith was selected by the Virginia Company to be the Governor of Jamestown colony precisely because he could speak fluent Turkish. In those days it was believed Turkish was commonly spoken along the East Coast. Fact was the Spanish had been running a POW camp for prisoners seized in their wars against the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean. Many such prisoners were actually Orthodox Christians ~ they regularly escaped from the Spanish POW camp and fled up the coast to live with Indians. Odds are good that Turkish was commonly spoken on the East Coast in those days.

Now, is there some sort of dispute going on between the RCs and the Protestants? One would hope not.

48 posted on 05/16/2008 3:42:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Happy Rain

Are you sure he said that? Can you show me where? I googled it. BTW, I know what he said.


49 posted on 05/16/2008 3:45:28 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: muawiyah
I am soft on the Buddhists in fact

Best Atheists in the world, IMHO!

50 posted on 05/16/2008 3:45:38 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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